Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Ok so I have a story to share. And I'm wondering if anyone else has heard similar things and wants to share with us how much it pissed you off. So here I am posting during the Sugar Bowl as most of you saw. Yeah I was dissapointed during the game but afterwards I just kind of sat back and said "You know...OU had an amazing season and they ended up being beat by a better team. They went to the National Title and failed. Now they're the 3rd best team in the country. That's not so bad." So I was still proud of my Sooners for having a tremendous year. Then I was mad that Jason White was left in the game. But a lot of people presented some logical arguments against that saying things like "White won the Heisman, he's the best thing the team has going if you take him out then LSU is going to figure that OU has given up and OU is going to figure they've given up." It was pretty logical so I thought "Yes it was correct for Jason White to stay in the game." Then I saw Stoops on TV making no excuses as to why they lost. Just basically saying "We made some mistakes and the better team took advantage. We lost. Plain and simple." And I figured "The players aren't acting like it's the end of the world and neither is the coach...so why should I?" So life moves on until next season. Well then I get these people calling in to the Sports Animal that have been calling in to that radio station all year crying for the death of OU. People were calling going on and saying things like "I can't believe I was ever an OU fan. That's the worst team I've ever seen play. I hate them. I will never support OU again." and people calling and saying "Jason White should be cut from the team. They should've put Paul Thompson in. Jason White is a bum and a terrible QB." and then people making a shitload of excuses "Well it wasn't fair. LSU had homefield advantage. OU wasn't on their game. Everyone was hurt" I mean the fucking Coach admitted that the better team won! Why can't you!? I mean as many of you know I've been the biggest supporter of the Sooners on here and even I admit that they were beaten by a better team! So we have all these people calling in saying these things and I'm just getting more and more pissed. I wouldn't mind as much if they were people that hated the Sooners in the first place. But these were Sooner fans calling in and yelling for the head of Bob Stoops because they didn't win the National Championship in 2003.....despite the fact they won it in oh.......2000! And they won 2 important bowls the past 2 years!!!! What is the deal here!? The team had a successful year! When I think of everyone that didn't make it as far as the Sooners then I think........"well they had a good year. They had a tremendous season. People were saying they were the best team ever during the season. Yeah that was false and they were overrated but they're still one of the best teams in the country. Why shouldn't I be proud!?" besides that in the next 10 years OU will probably be in a BCS bowl every year and play for numerous national titles...you can't win all of them! I just don't get it! What is up with these people!? What is the deal!? Does anyone know anyone like this!? Does anyone have a similar story that pissed them off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Alot of fans are idiots...plain and simple. Damaramu at least you can except and admit if OU loses, and doesn't play well. It isn't life and death, like it is for some people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 7, 2004 They don't have to cut Jason White, I believe his elegibility is done and he's entering the draft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 He's back for a 6th season. As great a season has he had. I can't help but think he should move on. You saw how much trouble he had when he wasn't healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Welcome to the world of the bandwagon jumper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Welcome to the wonderful world of sports talk radio. Where being correct and intelligent is not nearly as important and being loud and angry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 They don't have to cut Jason White, I believe his elegibility is done and he's entering the draft Yeah he appealed b/c he was injured so much last season...so he's back. He played less than 25% of the season so he's still eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Welcome to the wonderful world of sports talk radio. Where being correct and intelligent is not nearly as important and being loud and angry. ...and all this is Magnified millions of times here in the Boston area. I can't even begin to describe the utter GARBAGE I had to listen to for the past 3 months about the god damn Red Sox and GRADY LITTLE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Welcome to the world of the bandwagon jumper. No. Bandwagon jumpers wouldn't care enough to be that upset if they lose. They'd just say fuck it...and jump off the band wagon again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Welcome to the wonderful world of sports talk radio. Where being correct and intelligent is not nearly as important and being loud and angry. ...and all this is Magnified millions of times here in the Boston area. I can't even begin to describe the utter GARBAGE I had to listen to for the past 3 months about the god damn Red Sox and GRADY LITTLE! It was mainly about Grady Little and they were right, he's an idiot who goes on assumptions rather than stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Oh god I can't imagine what it's like to be a Red Sox fan and live in the area. Jesus. Well I am a Red Sox fan...but I don't live in Boston obviously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Your team failed you. How should fans react? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I laugh, at this point, any time a topic about fans comes up. Just knowing that AS is going to come in with the "if you don't win a championship, it is all a waste" mantra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I laugh, at this point, any time a topic about fans comes up. Just knowing that AS is going to come in with the "if you don't win a championship, it is all a waste" mantra. I forgot the goal of every team is to go all the way and then fail miserably at the end. Oops, it's not. You play sports to win it all. They lost, they failed. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I believe I agree with AS. All its about is winning the Big Prize. This is one thing that I've always felt about the NFL that nobody ever agreed with me on.. I'd rather my team go 2-14 and get the #1 pick than go 13-3 and lose in the Conference Championship game. I'd rather not make the superbowl and get the best player than not make the Superbowl and end up with nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I hope LSU fans don't become like this after another few years of SabanBall... I'm still in fucking shock they won because I'm used to years of letdowns and I'm thinking about how they'll have tough road games in Florida, Auburn, and Georgia next year which may put a speedbump in the plans for them to repeat. I hope the rest of the fans keep that in mind and try not to turn LSU into another Nebraska, who fires a good coach for not meeting impossibly high standards on a yearly basis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 AS is obviously uninformed of the true nature of college sports, so let's just ignore him. Dama, I would have read that first post, but you've gotta break it up into paragraphs or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 AS is obviously uninformed of the true nature of college sports, so let's just ignore him. Dama, I would have read that first post, but you've gotta break it up into paragraphs or something. Well, then inform me. I see "third best team" I see "failure" explain why not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I'd rather my team go 2-14 and get the #1 pick than go 13-3 and lose in the Conference Championship game. I'd rather not make the superbowl and get the best player than not make the Superbowl and end up with nothing. Having been in both situations with the Eagles, I could not disagree more with that statement. There is nothing worse then having a season where you know they are going to be terrible and having to trudge through it just in the hopes they will be better the next year. The other option gives you hope and reason to care about the season. Do you get crushed in the end? Of course. But I will take that over a 16 week death march. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I hope LSU fans don't become like this after another few years of SabanBall... I'm still in fucking shock they won because I'm used to years of letdowns and I'm thinking about how they'll have tough road games in Florida, Auburn, and Georgia next year which may put a speedbump in the plans for them to repeat. I hope the rest of the fans keep that in mind and try not to turn LSU into another Nebraska, who fires a good coach for not meeting impossibly high standards on a yearly basis. Hey the Tigers did good. And they actually remind me of the Sooners in 2000. They weren't much for years(though I don't know if the Tigers were as bad as OU was in the 90's....any 2-10 or 4-8 seasons recently?) and then they got a great coach and came up and won the championship. They went against a team that was considered the best(OU went against Florida State in 2000 and had the better record but nobody gave them a chance in that game) and they were the underdog in that game(let's face it...the general media and public didn't give LSU a hope in hell of winning that game) and then just dominated the game(sure they didn't dominate the second half but they walked all over the Sooners during the first half) to win the national championship. The parallel is there. So if LSU follows the same pattern next year as OU did after winning the championship then they will have 2 good season where they go 12-2 and win their bowl game before returning to the national title game to lose to the underdog. Get ready for 2006 Teke...you're going for it again. And yes.........I think it was just that OU got good so fast that people were shocked and threw all of their faith into them and then when they finally lost the big game(after winning the big game 3 years in a row)the fans turned on them. They aren't used to failure. Even though OU went 12-2 the past 2 seasons...but they still won their bowl game. People can't handle the failure this year. I think the media jumping the gun and calling them the best team ever didn't help matters either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Oh yeah...I've heard numerous reports that the LSU fans were acting like drunken ruffians after the Sugar Bowl. Imagine what they would've done had LSU lost....there would've been a riot. They did have cops escort the Sooners off the field after the game though.....I guess to keep the fisticuffs down......... Funny thing......an LSU lineman asked for Tommy Harris's autograph. Tommy laughed and signed the guys National Championship hat. So I doubt there was going to be any fisticuffs. From what I understand they were depressed but the Sooners have taken the loss very well. They're just like "Ah well....we got beat. There is always next year." Good sportsmen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 . They're just like "Ah well....we got beat. There is always next year." The credo of the loser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 As far as Anglesault goes, its a matter of optimism vs. pessimism as far as I see it. I can't look at it the way Anglesault does, because I see a sporting event as a competition, in which by definition, one team must lose. It doesn't mean they've failed. It just happens. If you go through life looking at a non-championship as a complete failure, you'll never be happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I look at it this way. If you view the end result as a failure, that means everything leading up to that point is worthless. And if everything leading up to a championship game is worthless, why bother supporting a team until that point? Why bother going to and watching games until that point? If nothing other than a ring matters, then you only need to be a fan for about 3 hours a year if you are lucky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 AS is obviously uninformed of the true nature of college sports, so let's just ignore him. Dama, I would have read that first post, but you've gotta break it up into paragraphs or something. Well, then inform me. I see "third best team" I see "failure" explain why not. First off, third out of 117 is very good, and would be considered a banner year for any program that wasn't a perennial powerhouse. College sports are a different animal than the professional leagues. You only have four years per athlete (sometimes less or more, but 99% of all NCAA athletes would be four year people), they aren't paid, and, as the commercial says, the vast, VAST majority of athletes will go on to do something else. They do what they do because they enjoy it. I'll bet that any team that went to a bowl this year after a bad season last year isn't sitting around and saying "man, we suck, we didn't win the national title." The kids are happy just to be playing, and if they do well also, then even better. It isn't as serious or as clear-cut as professional sports are, which also are businesses, not learning institutions. "But... they didn't win. They failed. Tell me how they didn't fail." Their goal might have been (GASP) not to win the national title, but to just improve on the previous year. I'd say that only about 10-15 of the 117 I-A schools realistically entertain the thought of a national championship going into their seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 If nothing other than a ring matters, then you only need to be a fan for about 3 hours a year if you are lucky. Four hours if you're a Yankees fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 I look at it this way. If you view the end result as a failure, that means everything leading up to that point is worthless. And if everything leading up to a championship game is worthless, why bother supporting a team until that point? Why bother going to and watching games until that point? If nothing other than a ring matters, then you only need to be a fan for about 3 hours a year if you are lucky. Exactly. Turn on the championship game and leave it at that. I love the season. I loved the Sooners this season. After they lost to K-State I still loved them and wanted to see if they'd win the championship. Well they came up short. But you know what? I still like them and I am still going to watch them play next year and root that they make it all the way. Hell if anything that KSU game just guranteed immediate big ratings for the rematch during regular season play next year. And if I'm not on the team by then it guranteed me buying a ticket and going to Kansas to watch that game. And I will be watching LSU very closely next season. That was a DAMN good team and I want to see if they make it next year as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 As far as Anglesault goes, its a matter of optimism vs. pessimism as far as I see it. I can't look at it the way Anglesault does, because I see a sporting event as a competition, in which by definition, one team must lose. It doesn't mean they've failed. They certainly didn't succeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Whee, here comes the "repeat the same horribly literal thing over and over" argument. (will watch the Tennessee Volunteers take on all comers next year despite "failing miserably" in the Peach Bowl) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Spoiled Yankee fans who cry about not winning the WS every year and cry that they haven't won it all in ::gasps:: 3 yrs. Try liking a team where a playoff apperance has become more of a pipedream and then you can bitch about your team failing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
