Guest El Satanico Report post Posted January 14, 2004 This movie was pretty good, but... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): I still can't believe they went with the whole "Jason is affraid of water" bullshit. I mean, fucking come on, had they even seen any of the previous films?! It was a dream! It was his subconscious talking for him. Spoiler (Highlight to Read): He drowned at an early age, so it makes sense that deep down he would have a fear of water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 14, 2004 This movie was pretty good, but... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): I still can't believe they went with the whole "Jason is affraid of water" bullshit. I mean, fucking come on, had they even seen any of the previous films?! El Satanico beat me to it, but i'll say it again. IT WAS A FUCKNIG DREAM SEQUENCE!!!! He didn't fear water any other time in the movie, considering.. Spoiler (Highlight to Read): The end has him walking out of the ocean with Freddy's head in hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fazzle 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 Bah, I still feel like the Spoiler (Highlight to Read): whole water thing was just a lame way to make Jason the face. Just so they could get the twitching ugly little kid and make the audience say "Awwww, look at the poor little immortal killing machine." I mean, even the alternate ending has Spoiler (Highlight to Read): the main character saying she kind of FELT SORRY FOR JASON?! What the fuck?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 I always felt sorry for Jason as well. I mean, first a bunch of kids let him drown so they could get their sex on and then a bunch of campers kill his mom because mom was pissed the cops didn't make any arrests in the death of her son. Plus, Daddy Vorhees apparently died in Nam leaving mommy to care for her son all alone and with son and daddy gone, mommy just went a little nutty. And so when her son comes back from the dead for his mom, he discovers someone killed her. That's gotta be tough. Plus, when you damn WELL KNOWN that a camp has had serial murders after serial murders after serial murders and YOU GO....you deserve to die for being a damn moron. And Jason never killed one little child, only the teenagers who cared more about sex than watching those kids. I bet Jason saved one or two of the campers from drowning over his time under the lake. Now Freddy...that guy was just a FREAK man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 14, 2004 Bah, I still feel like the Spoiler (Highlight to Read): whole water thing was just a lame way to make Jason the face. Just so they could get the twitching ugly little kid and make the audience say "Awwww, look at the poor little immortal killing machine." I mean, even the alternate ending has Spoiler (Highlight to Read): the main character saying she kind of FELT SORRY FOR JASON?! What the fuck?! Damn, I forgot about watching the Alternate Ending (a.k.a the shitty ending everyone would shit on). Why did I feel like I was watching a wrestling show during the end...go Jason! Kill Freddy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 Maybe cause when Freddy turned around his first time in the real world, Jason had that kick ass music come on as he prepared to open a can. Plus, how can I hate someone who slices the head off Kelly Rowland and stops her from acting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 14, 2004 I always felt sorry for Jason as well. I mean, first a bunch of kids let him drown so they could get their sex on and then a bunch of campers kill his mom because mom was pissed the cops didn't make any arrests in the death of her son. Plus, Daddy Vorhees apparently died in Nam leaving mommy to care for her son all alone and with son and daddy gone, mommy just went a little nutty. And so when her son comes back from the dead for his mom, he discovers someone killed her. That's gotta be tough. Plus, when you damn WELL KNOWN that a camp has had serial murders after serial murders after serial murders and YOU GO....you deserve to die for being a damn moron. And Jason never killed one little child, only the teenagers who cared more about sex than watching those kids. I bet Jason saved one or two of the campers from drowning over his time under the lake. Now Freddy...that guy was just a FREAK man. Jason is God. He punishes those who have sinned, big or small (i.e Smoking Marijuana, Drinking Alcohol, having unmarital sex, or just being a complete retard/moron/annoying bastard) and always loses to a girl or a little kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 Jason Vorhees is Jesus Christ in a hockey mask. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted January 14, 2004 Bah, I still feel like the Spoiler (Highlight to Read): whole water thing was just a lame way to make Jason the face. Just so they could get the twitching ugly little kid and make the audience say "Awwww, look at the poor little immortal killing machine." Jason would've been the "face" regardless. Jason is a much more sympathetic character than the child murdering Freddy who killed because it gave him pleasure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 El Satanico beat me to it, but i'll say it again. IT WAS A FUCKNIG DREAM SEQUENCE!!!! Try untying your panties for a sec there buddy, you already know it's been stated once. As if you even needed to reply, fuckwad. And besides, I haven't seen the movie since it was in theatres - fucking sue me, I forgot one small detail. Wanker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 14, 2004 El Satanico beat me to it, but i'll say it again. IT WAS A FUCKNIG DREAM SEQUENCE!!!! Try untying your panties for a sec there buddy, you already know it's been stated once. As if you even needed to reply, fuckwad. And besides, I haven't seen the movie since it was in theatres - fucking sue me, I forgot one small detail. Wanker. ^ || || || Anger Management needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 None of you would be bitching about the whole water thing had you known what the unconscious mind is as opposed to the conscious mind. Basically, Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Jason fears the water in his dream - which is controlled by his unconscious mind - because he (almost?) drowned as a child. His conscious mind - when he is wide awake - has no recollection of this fear, as all he can think of is "MURDER, DEATH, KILL" towards those little fucks. I MUST go out tonight before TNA and buy this movie. MUST, MUST, MUST. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 14, 2004 None of you would be bitching about the whole water thing had you known what the unconscious mind is as opposed to the conscious mind. Basically, Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Jason fears the water in his dream - which is controlled by his unconscious mind - because he (almost?) drowned as a child. His conscious mind - when he is wide awake - has no recollection of this fear, as all he can think of is "MURDER, DEATH, KILL" towards those little fucks. I MUST go out tonight before TNA and buy this movie. MUST, MUST, MUST. That settles the arguments LOL. Whenever someone brings up the stupidity of the fear of water thing, I'll just quote this post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20 Report post Posted January 14, 2004 ::Drools:: I must have this in my hands by tomorrow, not having it by now is torture. I was at Best Buy yesterday and I looked over at the Shelf... I swear I heard it say "Buy me". Also, is The TCM Trailer still one of the extras ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fazzle 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Bah, I still feel like the Spoiler (Highlight to Read): whole water thing was just a lame way to make Jason the face. Just so they could get the twitching ugly little kid and make the audience say "Awwww, look at the poor little immortal killing machine." Jason would've been the "face" regardless. Jason is a much more sympathetic character than the child murdering Freddy who killed because it gave him pleasure. says you I was rooting for Freddy the entire movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I rooted for Freddy too, but I almost always cheer for the villians. That has nothing to do with Jason being the sympathetic character of the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I rooted for Freddy too, but I almost always cheer for the villians. That has nothing to do with Jason being the sympathetic character of the two. Does anyone actually cheer for anyone in the movie BESIDES the villains? Everyones either too annoying, stupid or both to deserve not to be killed by Jason/Freddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I cheer for awesome deaths. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Man, gotta say that I hated Kelly Rowland the most and wished Katharine Isabell lived instead. Fuck Rowand and her annoying ass, so glad Jason killed her off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Man, gotta say that I hated Kelly Rowland the most and wished Katharine Isabell lived instead. Fuck Rowand and her annoying ass, so glad Jason killed her off Agreed. I don't want to sound racist by hating her the most (because she's black), but she got on my fucking nerves so much. I was begging for her to die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 She was just so fucking obnoxious and just would.not.shut.up! I really hate people like that so it took me 5 minutes to go from "eh, she's okay" to full on "fucking bleed, die bitch" mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I was begging for Linderman to go psycho on her ass and kill her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Freddy screaming out "Got your nose!!!!!!!" just had me busting a gut laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 15, 2004 i bought it with a gift certificate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Man, gotta say that I hated Kelly Rowland the most and wished Katharine Isabell lived instead. Fuck Rowand and her annoying ass, so glad Jason killed her off Agreed. I don't want to sound racist by hating her the most (because she's black), but she got on my fucking nerves so much. I was begging for her to die. Yeah, I saw it with a mostly black audiance, and they went nuts when she died. I think we all pretty much agreed how awful she was. And even though the kid had one good line I still don't like the idea of Jay (as in Jay and Silent Bob) getting completly ripped off in the movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Man, gotta say that I hated Kelly Rowland the most and wished Katharine Isabell lived instead. Fuck Rowand and her annoying ass, so glad Jason killed her off Agreed. I don't want to sound racist by hating her the most (because she's black), but she got on my fucking nerves so much. I was begging for her to die. Yeah, I saw it with a mostly black audiance, and they went nuts when she died. I think we all pretty much agreed how awful she was. And even though the kid had one good line I still don't like the idea of Jay (as in Jay and Silent Bob) getting completly ripped off in the movie. The line about the "Goalie being pissed off" (or something; I don't memorize all the good lines) was funnier with the people doing Audio commentary pointing out how funny it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Besides Freddy should have expected to get his ass kicked since Spoiler (Highlight to Read): he tried to be slick by having Jason do his dirty work for him by manipulating Jason to think that it was really his mom telling to him do that stuff. So in this sense, Freddy was the bully. Why did I feel like I was watching a wrestling show during the end...go Jason! Kill Freddy! It reminded me of Stone Cold / The Rock, WM 17. One of those "who really is the best" battles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hhheld_down Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Besides Freddy should have expected to get his ass kicked since Spoiler (Highlight to Read): he tried to be slick by having Jason do his dirty work for him by manipulating Jason to think that it was really his mom telling to him do that stuff. So in this sense, Freddy was the bully. Why did I feel like I was watching a wrestling show during the end...go Jason! Kill Freddy! It reminded me of Stone Cold / The Rock, WM 17. One of those "who really is the best" battles. after watching it a couple times on DVD, it has almost become a wrestling ppv kinda thing to me, from the opening to the kick ass music in the beginning for the title (love that btw), Jason/Freddy killin those teens all seemed like the undercard, and the ME being the kick ass fight scene at the end, i still mark out throughout the whole movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Besides Freddy should have expected to get his ass kicked since Spoiler (Highlight to Read): he tried to be slick by having Jason do his dirty work for him by manipulating Jason to think that it was really his mom telling to him do that stuff. So in this sense, Freddy was the bully. Why did I feel like I was watching a wrestling show during the end...go Jason! Kill Freddy! It reminded me of Stone Cold / The Rock, WM 17. One of those "who really is the best" battles. after watching it a couple times on DVD, it has almost become a wrestling ppv kinda thing to me, from the opening to the kick ass music in the beginning for the title (love that btw), Jason/Freddy killin those teens all seemed like the undercard, and the ME being the kick ass fight scene at the end, i still mark out throughout the whole movie. Seeing Jason no sell Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Multiple stabbings from Freddys razor hand, machette blows to the back, those spear things Freddy dropped onto him, piercing his leg and through his chest, being stabbed in the eyes, having his fingers cut off and everything else imaginable brings a smile to my face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 You could compare Jason fearing water in the dream to NOES 3: Dream Warriors and the kids in the hospital. When they were awake they were controlling and subduing whatever weirdo things they did to land them in the hospital but once they were in their dream, Freddy played upon prior fears that they could not control in their dreams. Hence the girl who use to be the heroid addict. Freddy made her heroin injection marks open up on her arms, even though when awake it was clear she had stop using for awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
