Guest Metallica Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Funny, I got my Torch today and saw nothing like this in the newsletter, about any type of proposed card. In fact, Wade Keller has been talking about Benoit vs HHH at Mania and Rock and Foley still teaming against Orton and Batista or Flair. So where exactly is the Torch presenting this information? Am I missing something? You aren't missing anything. I subscribe to the Torch too and this news story didn't come from them. It's just a case of people adding "credit PWT" at the bottom of a story they just made up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Actually, according to Keller, the plan is for Eddie Guerrero to beat Brock Lesnar at No Way Out via a plethora of cheating. Angle will become extremely peeved at Eddie for going against true American ideals; for instance, real American heroes don't cheat. Eventually, this will be the driving force for Angle's heel turn and WWE Title match at WM XX. HOLY SHIT!! A main event storyline that makes perfect sense!! I don't understand why we need a reason for a guy to fight for the world title. Because you need some emotional investment in a match. Hogan/Andre was cool, not just because Andre wanted the title, but because Hogan wanted to avenge his betrayal at the hands of a former friend. Savage/Flair was awesome not only because Flair had the title and Savage wanted it, but because Savage was fighting for his wife's honor. Hell, even Kawada/Misawa was about more then just the title around Misawa's waist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whatitistoburn Report post Posted January 18, 2004 You know, I realize this card is probably fake as hell, but it got me to thinking. HHH/Flair/Batista/Orton v Rock/Foley/Dudleys Wargames Come on.... it be beautiful... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2004 You know, I realize this card is probably fake as hell, but it got me to thinking. HHH/Flair/Batista/Orton v Rock/Foley/Dudleys Wargames Come on.... it be beautiful... It would suck. Because you need some emotional investment in a match I thinka liked face trying to fend off a hated heel works fine. And you compare it to Savage/Flair and Hogan/Andre like the creative team can DREAM of coming up with something 1/4 as good. The first comedy segment they show and it's an immediate and total failure. Can you trust them to run Angle/Eddy for a month without a drop of comedy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Exactly how does a comedy segment ruin a feud, if you don't mind me asking? -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Exactly how does a comedy segment ruin a feud, if you don't mind me asking? -Patrick It kills my interest. Comedy segments since Austin/Angle have been batting .000 in the "funny" category. On top of that, they are completely unnecessary and serve zero purpose in a world title feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 18, 2004 So basically, it ruins it for YOU. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2004 It also ruins whatever it was trying to accomplish. Look at Angle/Edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2004 So basically, it ruins it for YOU. -Patrick Will you please STFU? He's not the only one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Quik Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Here are some of the matches being discussed: Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg - Interpromotional match Undertaker vs. Kane - Interpromotional match Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - RAW Title Steve Austin vs. Vince McMahon Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle - WWE Title Triple H vs. The Rock Cruiserweight Title Battle Royal Batista, Flair, Orton vs. Foley, Dudley Boyz Chris Jericho, Edge vs. Christian, Matt Hardy RVD vs. Booker T - Intercontinental Title Initially, Brock and Goldberg were going to go into the match as the champions of their respective brands; however, although it would've been a Non-Title match, most believe that it would've tarnished the loser and his respective brand as the "inferior brand." And because WWE has no intention of ending the brand split, this would've been counterproductive to their future plans. credit: Torch Newsletter He's working the smarks. Boo! Can we castrate him and then rub his genital wounds in salt for getting our hopes up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 18, 2004 So basically, it ruins it for YOU. -Patrick Will you please STFU? He's not the only one. Different people find different things entertaining, that's all I'm saying. I think that comedy segments, when done well, make for entertaining TV and hardly "ruin" a feud. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 18, 2004 AS is basically saying he wants no character development or interest or anything like that, he just wants to guys going for the belt. That's sounds kinda boring to me, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2004 Can you name me some Comedy-based angles or characters who have made money? Seriously... comedy is for the mid-card, drama is for main eventers. Comedy can comprimise drama, especially if you don't do it right - which the WWE never does. People don't look up to clowns, they look DOWN on them. No one wants to BE them. They want to be the heros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2004 AS is basically saying he wants no character development or interest or anything like that, he just wants to guys going for the belt. I'm saying that instead of fucking everything up with an awful angle, have Eddie win the title and Kurt challenge him. Promise me that if they were to base an angle on it, we wouldn't see any comedy. You can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Of course we'll see comedy, whats wrong with that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 *recalls Eddie Guerrero spraying shit* *recalls Kurt Angle rapping* ... I'm sorry, what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Of course we'll see comedy, whats wrong with that? ::copies and pastes RRR's last post:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Of course we'll see comedy, whats wrong with that? Nothing's wrong with comedy.....if you're good at writing it. Ass cream? T-Shirts that read "You Suck"? Necrophilia? THIS is comedy?! No, this is pathetic. These to-the-common-denominator storylines would be rejected by the writers of SNL for chrissakes. Again, comedy is good. Good comedy is better. But you can't build a title match AROUND comedy. If you're making the storyline around your #1 title a joke, then the title becomes a joke, which translates into the federation becoming a joke. I shouldn't have to scratch my head and silently not laugh to myself while watching wrestling, as if I'm watching "Frasier." I should be enthralled by the wrestling show on my television and the championship that a storyline is being centered about. But they must be doing SOMETHING wrong because right now, and for the past few months, I have not. But if Austin riding around on ATVs with a sheriff's badge keeps you entertained and transfixed to the TV, more power to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Comedy is the *ONLY* thing that Kurt can do well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Comedy is the *ONLY* thing that Kurt can do well. Then it's time for him to retire, because he hasn't done anything funny in two and a half years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Comedy is the *ONLY* thing that Kurt can do well. I know. Wasn't that whole snapping thing and "I'll break your fucking ankle" thing he did to Rock a few years ago just dreadful? <_< Kurt does comedy very well. Agreed. And sure, in certain storylines, he could do comedy if the storyline calls for it. But would it call for it in a WWE Title Eddie/Kurt match? Hell no. Did it call for it while Kurt spit milk on a woman and Brock laughed during the Brock/Kurt/Show Vengeance storyline? Again, hell no. WWE writers know nothing about moderation - which is a central rule of writing comedy for a wrestling show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Can you name me some Comedy-based angles or characters who have made money? Those Degeneration X fellas sold quite a few T-shirts back in the day. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 I was about to put "aside from T-shirts"... so, "Aside from T-shirts". I'm mainly talking about PPV's, buyrates, on which angles and characters are based. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 I can't claim to know much about PPV buyrates and such, so to be honest, I don't know. Austin-McMahon featured its share of comedy segments...how did St. Valentine's Day Massacre draw? -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 I was about to put "aside from T-shirts"... so, "Aside from T-shirts". I'm mainly talking about PPV's, buyrates, on which angles and characters are based. Well, I bought WrestleMania X-8 to see who would be in the Japanese shampoo ad. Man, I still laugh to myself every time I think of Edge or Booker T fighting over that shampoo.... And end sarcasm. Besides that........jeez......Austin/McMahon, Rock/Foley, Angle/Rock (No Mercy 2000 build-up) and probably some others have had some comedy elements to it. But I don't know if pure comedy has ever been the single driving cause behind a successful storyline and received good buyrates. I'm not sure if that's possible. Comedy may please the fans for a short while, but drama is what keeps them there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Can you name me some Comedy-based angles or characters who have made money? Those Degeneration X fellas sold quite a few T-shirts back in the day. -Patrick I call DX more sleazy than comedy based. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hektik 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Can you name me some Comedy-based angles or characters who have made money? Those Degeneration X fellas sold quite a few T-shirts back in the day. -Patrick That can be explained. The first Version of DX came about in 1997. From November 97 to March 98 they were the focus of the shows and main events. They even had a PPV named after them. These PPVs and TV shows still did bad ratings and T shirts sales did not exactly set the world on fire. It was not until Austin took his place in the main event did rating grow and PPV buys increase. This increase was do to the amount of brand new fans comming in to watch the product. Many of them were teenagers who did not know anything about wrestling. But they did know Raw had a lot of foul launguage, beer, sex, and middle fingers. In turn the DX guys became popular because they acted like immature teenagers. As the years went on many of these teens and bandwagon attitude fans left because wrestling became "uncool." The ones who stayed are the ones on wrestling forums who say the WWE should bring back DX or have a DX vs NWO feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 I can't really recall ANY major main-event angles that have been TOTALLY based around comedy, to be honest. And it's pure speculation to think that Angle vs. Eddy(if it does turn out to be a "main-event match") will be TOTALLY comedy-based. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 19, 2004 And it's pure speculation to think that Angle vs. Eddy(if it does turn out to be a "main-event match") will be TOTALLY comedy-based. -Patrick ::Looks at Eddies last major feud:: ::Looks at Kurt's last major feud:: Where would I get that impression? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2004 Then it's time for him to retire, because he hasn't done anything funny in two and a half years. I enjoyed his insults to Cena, but to each his own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
