Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 AMW vs. Outsiders Think about that for a second. Done? Okay. UYI Well, you need something to try to draw some outside people in. It makes sense to have them go against AMW. Like them or not, AMW is marketed as their top tag team. Having them go against (and go over!) an outside tag team like that will work. I'm not talking about putting Hall and Nash in the main event. That would be a mistake. It would also be a mistake to throw them in there agains Jarrett and Sting. But putting them in there against an established tag team makes sense. Don't get me wrong, I've got no beef with AMW (in fact I'm a big fan of their work), but I just could not see: A) AMW working with The Outsiders B) Either Nash or Hall willing to job to two generally unknown wrestlers C) The match being anything short of a disaster, thanks in *no part* to AMW UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 This sounds better than Hall/Nash v. Jarrett/Sting (which was their idea after the Hogan deal soured) but definately not as good as either Hogan/Jarrett or even Jarrett/Raven. If you want purpose to sign a guy that demands that much money, save Savage in a role that makes sense, not here and not now. Thats why I understood the logic in bringing in Hogan, since there was backstory there with Jarrett and I think it would have done something in terms of bringing people in. With Savage......well, did that WWA ppv with him advertised up until the preshow (and by that point I ordered the show already) really draw alot of buys? Nope. Case closed. The guy isnt a draw and if anything needs to be brought in for half of what Hogan asked if not less, and not used in a main event setting like this right off the bat. I still think the most ideal situation would be Raven/Jarrett since April will be a full year almost exactly (wasnt their match the first week of April last year?) of their title match. Thats a decent story to use in building up that match. With Savage, I cant see a viable storyline that would make me really hyped to see that one. I actually do like the idea of having Savage in the company though, believe it or not. He may not be a huge draw anymore, but he's still a name from the past much like Piper, who people can associate with. Just not in this role and not for that price tag is what sucks. But I'm sure he wont take anythign less than what they offered Hogan, more than anything because of ego and because of his supposed beef with Hogan. His workrate.....since its been almost 4 years since he's wrestled, who knows how bad or good he is now, so I wont comment on that aspect of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 I really think we should wait and see what kind of angle they play out on the show for this match. Alot of people, myself included, where down on them bringing in Hogan, but then the angle started out really hot and they may have done some good business if Hogan didn't back out of the deal. So maybe they can find a way to make us want to see this match. At least they've waiting until the deal is finalized to start the hype, so I at least give them credit for being a bit wiser. I'm giving TNA the benefit of the doubt here, because if they start soon, they have enough time to build a compelling angle (the Raven/Jarrett feud heated up about this time and built pretty well until the lousy payoff). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 What has TNA done in the last 6 months to earn anybody's benefit of the doubt? I root for TNA's survival, because without them, AJ, Daniels, and Punk would be in Japan all the time, and I wouldn't get to see them. The day that panda pulls the plug has to be looming, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Does anyone know what Panda Energy actually does? I went to the official site...and I'm no more informed than before. I did see that the Carter family runs the whole thing...and Dixie Carter isn't involved with the upper-management. I wonder if Dixie Carter is just some rich person who wanted to be involved in the wrestling business so daddy bought a company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 It looks like they supply energy, like natural gas, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Does anyone know what Panda Energy actually does? I could take a shot in the dark.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 That's my point. So there an energy company. Are they the smallest energy company in the world? They boast 160 employees. That barely beats a local grocery store. Where did all the money come from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Pandas = World Wildlife Fund. They are out to take out Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 What has TNA done in the last 6 months to earn anybody's benefit of the doubt? The biggest angles in recent history have come out of "down" periods, namely the NWO and the Attitude area. What was either fed doing before that to predict they would catch fire? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 And this makes TNA the BIG #2 Promotion...HOW?! Because there is no #3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 The day that panda pulls the plug has to be looming, though. Agreed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 I'm fairly sure Panda is a pretty significant energy producer. They are a world wide company. It is entirely possible for them to only have 160 employees. Take Adelphia cable in these parts. They provide cable everywhere, but if a guy comes to your house for service, more than likely it's not an Adelphia employee, but a subcontractor for Adelphia. So technically, that guy is not an employee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Well...I'll disagree. Since I can't figure out why Panda bought TNA in the first place...I'll assume that continued loss of money isn't going to stop them. Besides, they're just starting to do things to try and get them press and working ideas to try and expand the product beyond what it is now (even though the 3 hour ppv and thinking about paying to be on Chicago TV is really kind of dumb). Nothing about Panda's relationship with TNA screams "Things must improve right away or else", on the contrary, Panda (for whatever reason) appears to be the most patient group in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Nothing about Panda's relationship with TNA screams "Things must improve right away or else", on the contrary, Panda (for whatever reason) appears to be the most patient group in the world. Exactly. We have no idea what the deal is between TNA and Panda. For all we know, maybe they are not losing as much as they were in the beginning and that's encouraging. Or maybe they're hedging all their bets on trying to get TV. They have cut back on costs since the beginning, so I'm sure that helped and they are making attempts at growing, such as running outside of Nashville. All I'm saying is we don't know. All we know is that not agreeing with booking decisions DOES NOT equal Panda pulling the plug. Hell, they could be pushing people the Panda are marks for.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Nothing about Panda's relationship with TNA screams "Things must improve right away or else", on the contrary, Panda (for whatever reason) appears to be the most patient group in the world. Exactly. We have no idea what the deal is between TNA and Panda. For all we know, maybe they are not losing as much as they were in the beginning and that's encouraging. Or maybe they're hedging all their bets on trying to get TV. They have cut back on costs since the beginning, so I'm sure that helped and they are making attempts at growing, such as running outside of Nashville. All I'm saying is we don't know. All we know is that not agreeing with booking decisions DOES NOT equal Panda pulling the plug. Hell, they could be pushing people the Panda are marks for.... Panda didn't come around until September of 2002. Costs had already been cut by then. If anything, they spend more with Panda now than they did when Panda first came in. Nothing compares to what they spent though the first couple months of their existence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2004 Panda didn't come around until September of 2002. Costs had already been cut by then. If anything, they spend more with Panda now than they did when Panda first came in. Nothing compares to what they spent though the first couple months of their existence. I know....i was just saying that they've shown before that they can be financially responsible. Whether they will or not it a entirely different subject, but obviously, they have more flexibility with Panda's backing though. At least they seem to have backed off the stupid WGN deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2004 Wonder what Savage's asking price is these days? He's his own biggest fan, so probably way up there. Hardly worth the investment here. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thetrendsetter Report post Posted February 9, 2004 This Card is assuming that Savage and Sting are avaliable, but not Hall and Nash Main Event: Jeff Jarett © VS AJ Styles <- NWA World Title Match (Special Referee: Don Callis) Randy Savage and Erik Watts VS Abyss, Don Callis and Johnny Fairplay NWA World Tag Team Titles: America's Most Wanted VS Redshirt Security © (Steel Cage Match) <--- Legend is a phenomal spot wrestler when he needs to be. Sandman/Raven VS CM Punk/Julio Dinero (If Raven wins, He gets 5 minutes with Father Mitchell) America's Cup Captains Rematch : Jerry Lynn VS Juventud Gurrerra X-Title (Gauntlet For The Gold) : Chris Sabin Draws #10 Automatically, the other 9 Include: Spanky, Michael Shane, Skipper, Low Ki, Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, Sonjay Dutt, Trent Acid, Johnny Kashmere Dustin Rhodes VS D-Lo Brown (Top Contenders Match) ICP/Simon Diamond VS Swinger/Gilberti/David Young Sonny Siaki VS Kid Kash There's other underlying issues with other teams, and people that could be plugged into the show (3 Live Kru) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
