Guest glennsoe Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 It seems to me that the WWE are putting more and more effort into Raw and completly forgetting about the show called Smackdown ! Just read that HHH are really pushing for Edge to come back to Raw after Wrestlemania XX, and with all the releases lately it seems the "smackdown brand" are suffering.. Then i read that the reason for the releases lately is bacause more wrestlers will be called up soon to join the main roster, great more unknown (to the average fan) wrestlers to enjoy....so i would think...If only they would spend more time getting these wrestlers "over" the better....But hey this is the wwe we're talking about So we ship all the talent over to Raw (Benoit, Jericho and Edge to be slaughtered by HHH) and release or let go of the ones that can wrestle (Kanyon and Spanky) and call up moore rookies to smackdown.....and they wonder why the shows are stale and the ratings are down ?? Here's a quick fix for wwe; Hurricane and Steiner to Smackdown from Raw. Edge and A- Train to Raw Nova to Smackdown and sign 2-3 "Roh stars" and don't hold the cruiserweights back !!! What do you guys think ? Am i just drunk or do i have a point ?? - Glenn -
jester Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Actually, I think it could benefit Smackdown. Part's of Raw's problem is its "star" power. The darlings of Raw never job, at least not in any meaningful way and hardly ever look weak. Austin, HHH, HBK.... these guys are the only ones built to mean anything, and everybody else constantly looks like a chump. Over on Smackdown, you have nobody like this except Undertaker, who has been gone awhile. That means that they have to work with someone new.
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 glennsoe, some of that stuff you said, it may be true, but it DON'T, CHANGE, THE, FACT, THAT I WILL DANCE, ALL OVER, YOUR, PUNK ASS! Sorry. Really, fuck putting Scott Steiner on SmackDown! and making it suck more than it has to (which should be not at all) - release him. I mean, what the hell is he doing right now? I remember back late 2002 when there was that feud between Raw and SmackDown! (one of a few), where both General Managers were trying to get Scott Steiner to sign with their respective Brand. Come on, I mean... I mean, what the fuck? Scott Steiner? But that aside, look at him now - since his heel turn in a fucking horrible angle with Test, resulting in a match between the two for about the third time, the casual fans hate him, and obviously, in an angle like that, he's not a precious commodity. The A-Train to Raw? Well, if he and Scott Steiner trade, I don't see the difference - we'll have at least two guys that suck on both shows. Enough out of me on this one for now.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 (edited) Hurricane and Steiner to Smackdown from Raw. Edge and A- Train to Raw Benoit, Undertaker and Edge for STEINER AND THE HURRICANE? Oh Lord. They need people to be inserted into the upper midcard and main. Brock-Show-Eddie-Cena is the whole thing Edited February 14, 2004 by Anglesault
Guest Choken One Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Steiner/Lesnar would be interesting...6 years ago.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 They need people to be inserted into the upper midcard and main. And by that do you mean elevate SD people or import from RAW? SD has a HUGE problem of five legit people in the upper midcard AND main event, the cruisers, and a bunch of nobodies, many of whom simply aren't credible or qualified enough to be elevated. Do you really want Bradshaw or Billy Gunn to be mingling in with Brock or Cena? Steiner/Lesnar would be interesting...6 years ago. I remember that pairing being pimped when Steiner was brought into WWE, along with so much other shit about Steiner. Now Scotty is a NOBODY, and I couldn't be more glad.
Guest Choken One Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 They need people to be inserted into the upper midcard and main. And by that do you mean elevate SD people or import from RAW? SD has a HUGE problem of five legit people in the upper midcard AND main event, the cruisers, and a bunch of nobodies, many of whom simply aren't credible or qualified enough to be elevated. Do you really want Bradshaw or Billy Gunn to be mingling in with Brock or Cena? They made the effort to get Mark Henry Over and it worked, to a point. He became a solid mid-card heel for Raw when he came back, he was a joke but few months of hard effort, he finally broke though... The point is...they can do that with someelse and it might work..
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 The other problem is SD doesn't use the talent it has. TWGTT was over pretty well and they've been totally miused despite the lack of name talent on SD. The Japanese stable has also been fairly misused.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 The other problem is SD doesn't use the talent it has. TWGTT was over pretty well and they've been totally miused despite the lack of name talent on SD. Mainly because we had to see a Basham tag title reign for some unknown reason.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 The other problem is SD doesn't use the talent it has. TWGTT was over pretty well and they've been totally miused despite the lack of name talent on SD. Mainly because we had to see a Basham tag title reign for some unknown reason. At least they weren't transition champs to the APA like I had originally thought.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 The other problem is SD doesn't use the talent it has. TWGTT was over pretty well and they've been totally miused despite the lack of name talent on SD. Mainly because we had to see a Basham tag title reign for some unknown reason. At least they weren't transition champs to the APA like I had originally thought. I'd rather that so APA could feud and lose to WGTT. Instead we got like three in a half months of a boring, heatless tag reign while WGTT lived on Velocity.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 WGTT as champs in itself would not rejuvinate the tag division, but it would be a start. The Bashams simply aren't skilled or interesting enough to be long-term heel champs, and Too Cool v.2 shouldn't be long-term champs at all. They made the effort to get Mark Henry Over and it worked, to a point. He became a solid mid-card heel for Raw when he came back, he was a joke but few months of hard effort, he finally broke though... He went from shamless joke to semi-credible JTTS. A jump, not a great one, but an improvement. I get your point but it's not really applying to what I say. Of the top 5 SD stars, who is probably #5 at this point? I'd say John Cena perhaps. Who is #6 then? Hardcore Holly, who's facing fresh-out-of-the doghouse Rhyno? That's a huge gap, and IMO that's the divider of who is worth anything to SD's big picture and who isn't.
Kurt Angle Mark Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Here is the breakdown of the Smackdown roster as it is right now. Meaning that these are the wrestlers you see on Tv on either of the two shows Upper Card: Brock Eddie Angle Cena Big Show Mid Card: Rhyno Hardcore Billy Gunn A-Train Orlando Jordan Matt Morgan Cruserweights: Rey Mysterio Chavo Tajiri Jamie Noble Nunzio Billy Kidman Paul London Ultimo Shannon Moore Funaki Tag Teams: TWGTT APA The Bashams Rikishi and Scotty FBI Akio and Sakoda As you can see the big problem is the mid-card because most of those guys are horrible and they still get pushed. For Smackdown to be a success they have to push the cruserweights hard since they are the most talented guys on the roster and basically all Smackdown has to offer after the big five, and of course that has never happened ever.
Guest Bogey316 Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, Smackdown is going to need some help. Undertaker will help in the main event scene for a bit but he's not a long term fix. Personally, I would send RVD and Booker T to Smackdown. Both have been worn out on Raw and could use a fresh start.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Upper Card: Brock Eddie Angle Cena Big Show I don't see Angle there anymore. He might retire after Mania, and even if he doesn't, there's nothing else left for him on SD!
Guest Anglesault Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, Smackdown is going to need some help. Undertaker will help in the main event scene for a bit but he's not a long term fix. He's also on Raw right now.
Guest JumpinJackFlash Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 WGTT as champs in itself would not rejuvinate the tag division, but it would be a start. The Bashams simply aren't skilled or interesting enough to be long-term heel champs, and Too Cool v.2 shouldn't be long-term champs at all. I just hope Too Cool v.2 isn't at Wrestlemania. I'd rather see the Bashams for crying out loud!
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Personally, I would send RVD and Booker T to Smackdown. Both have been worn out on Raw and could use a fresh start. I agree that they would help as middle-of-the-road midcarders, (bridging the gap between the Hardcore Hollys and the John Cenas) which they will have to be to start off after their less-than-great runs on RAW. Edge could have helped as well but of course we know why that isn't happening.
Guest Bogey316 Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, Smackdown is going to need some help. Undertaker will help in the main event scene for a bit but he's not a long term fix. He's also on Raw right now. Yeah, that's true. Who knows what show he'll end up staying on. I'm guessing Smackdown but who knows.
EdwardKnoxII Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 WGTT as champs in itself would not rejuvinate the tag division, but it would be a start. The Bashams simply aren't skilled or interesting enough to be long-term heel champs, and Too Cool v.2 shouldn't be long-term champs at all. I agree with Too Cool not being long term champs but, you have to admitt they are better to hold the belts then the Bashams. Cause at least To Cool are over and people care about them which is more then I can say for the Bashams. The only other face team I can think of that the fans will care about are the APA.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 I just think that for a tag team division to be rejuvinated, it should be centered around a heel team as champions with several face teams around challenging them. Heel tag champs are more interesting.
Guest hunger4unger Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Cena is going to be a huge babyface and a huge draw this year for Smackdown. I think Goldberg will switch over in the run up to mania.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Cena is going to be a huge babyface and a huge draw this year for Smackdown. Thing is, he can't do it alone without a good supporting cast. I think Goldberg will switch over in the run up to mania. Which is four weeks away. Nothing long-term about that.
bobobrazil1984 Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 After the blowoff feud with jericho, Christian should be moved to Smackdown as an upper-card heel. He's not going to get higher on the RAW card on the heel side than he is now, and could have new interactions with Cena and Eddie.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 SD will get some star power when Taker comes back. Hell, Kane could come with him.
Scroby Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 I just want to point something out, notice the 4 people not with the WWE anymore were all on Smackdown.
Guest Choken One Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 It's believed that some Raw members will be axed this monday... Most Smackdown axings came Tuesday/Wednesday.
Guest MikeSC Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 The other problem is SD doesn't use the talent it has. TWGTT was over pretty well and they've been totally miused despite the lack of name talent on SD. Mainly because we had to see a Basham tag title reign for some unknown reason. At least they weren't transition champs to the APA like I had originally thought. I'd rather that so APA could feud and lose to WGTT. Instead we got like three in a half months of a boring, heatless tag reign while WGTT lived on Velocity. This is a mentality I don't get. People say the WWE doesn't build up new talent --- but almost any time they try to, people gripe about it. John Cena? Oh, he sucks. The Bashams? Horrible. Batista? Useless. Cade & Jindrak? Horrible. Who the heck do you WANT them to push? They TRIED with the Bashams (and, based on their OVW work, it was deserved), but it didn't pan out well. Oh well. If WGTT was kept on top all of this time, people would gripe about them as well. -=Mike
The Ghost of bps21 Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 We've been over this before. What we want is to see them push someone that fans react too before the huge push. First of all...who says Cena sucks? He's exactly who should be getting pushed right now. Orton sucks...and isn't over. Cena's super over. Push Cena. Stop pushing Orton. This isn't that hard.
BX Posted February 14, 2004 Report Posted February 14, 2004 Steiner/Lesnar would be interesting...6 years ago. The fans would think Steiner beating the shit out of a 16 year old kid to be a bit hard to handle.
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now