Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I really hate the Yankees. With that said, the salary cap is a bad idea. Besides, its not like the Yankees are runaway favorites. The Cap is not a bad idea. It'd stop all of this "Buy whoever, whenever, whereever" we want BS the Yankees got going. Anyways, I agree - this doesn't make the Yankees the favorite still in my book. Pitching owns offense, and Boston still has the edge in that, and PLUS - they still have a great offense themselfs. Boston is still my pick to take the East. The cap hasn't helped other sports at all. Parity in the NFL is due to the lack of guaranteed contracts. For the Yankees, their recklessness will cost them down the road. Ok, the cap has it's problems, but it has its advantages, especially in this case. But yes, as a baseball fan, I don't really want a cap, but theres got to be a way to end the nonsense. $200 mil payroll = complete nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I hate the Yankees. Good for you. Ok? Anyways, this is getting nuts. This is NOT good for baseball. I agree. It's fucking stupid as all hell that George Steinbrenner is the only owner willing to go to all lengths to win. Bud Selig has to put his foot down. Owners MUST spend a certain amount of money (say, 80 mil) or have their team stripped from them. That's fair. First off, not ever owner has the money George has Sell the team. and secondly, there should be a cap. When theres a cap in place, and Geroge won't be able to buy anyone and everyone he wants And how does that prevent Owners from spending the bare minimum? I don't quite understand what you are saying. You think owners aren't spending the bucks like Geroge is because they don't want to win? I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 $200 mil payroll = complete nonsense. Same with 18 mil and 27 mil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 15, 2004 It is believed Rodriguez also has agreed to alter the deferrals in his contract to get the deal done. It is not known how much money Rodriguez has agreed to defer That's what the Player's Union said no to on the Red Sox deal as A-Rod was willing to defer more money in order to let the trade through. If the same thing occurs and he's allowed to go to NY then there's going to be a major grievance filed by the Red Sox. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 The Union was willing to let him rework the contract in Boston, he just reworked it too much. In this trade he will not redo as much of the deal. IIRC, the Union would have allowed him to take in the 18-20 million dollar area less in real dollar value, but the deal it would have taken to land in Boston was going 35-40 mil less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Well, I find this a little absurd: Derek Jeter: $21 million Jason Giambi: $20 million Mike Mussina: $19 million Bernie Williams: $15 million Jorge Posada: $12 million $87 million for 5 guys! 5 GUYS!! And now they're adding A-Rod to the roster. Wonderful. How can you say that it's the fault of the other owners for not spending as much money? THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY! And why should they sell their team? Because a miserable, cantankerous, pudgy owner in the Bronx is spending as much money as he can in insane deals, throwing shit at the walls and hoping it sticks? George should be the one that holds off on his spending. It shouldn't be the other owners having to continue to RAISE their payrolls. The spending in baseball is already WAY out of hand - and with deals like this, and with deals that Geroge made this offseason, it will keep going. And now it's the fans of the other teams in baseball that have to suffer. But then again....judging from Georgie Boy's antics at that funeral a few months ago, who knows how much longer he'll be around to do this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Well, I find this a little absurd: Derek Jeter: $21 million Jason Giambi: $20 million Mike Mussina: $19 million Bernie Williams: $15 million Jorge Posada: $12 million $87 million for 5 guys! 5 GUYS!! Yep. And? How can you say that it's the fault of the other owners for not spending as much money? THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY Aint that a bitch. Sell the team. Because a miserable, cantankerous, pudgy owner in the Bronx is spending as much money as he can in insane deals, throwing shit at the walls and hoping it sticks? And that's what makes him a successful miserable, cantankerous, pudgy owner. He's willing to risk his own money to be a winner. And now it's the fans of the other teams in baseball that have to suffer. So, I should want George to chop his payroll down to 70 mil so he can throw out a sub-standard team and allow another team a better chance of wnning and making some other fan happy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Yankees fans versus everyone else. Boy, we haven't seen this one before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 DugoutDollars is the place to go to get current and future payroll information. Last updated on February 8th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 AS, I think you should be more concerned about A-Rod turning into a cancer for the Yankees than anything else. This will not end well my friend and A-Rod's very pressence will more than likely deepsix the Yankees and accelerate their decline into mediocrity.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Right. When has A-Rod gotten ANY kind of negative press? By all accounts he's one of baseball's good guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 AS, I think you should be more concerned about A-Rod turning into a cancer for the Yankees than anything else. This will not end well my friend and A-Rod's very pressence will more than likely deepsix the Yankees and accelerate their decline into mediocrity.... Reggie Jackson could also be described as a cancer. Three years on the team, two championships. I don't NEED team harmony. I NEED results. In this case, the ends most certainly justify the means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Most of the owners have proved to be penny pinchers and looking at that Dugout site: Milwaukee, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Cincinnati and Minnesota can all spend a lot more however the owners don't want to see the money that goes to their pockets go towards the team. The only teams that will have $80+ Mill payrolls in 2004 are the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, Mets and Mariners. There are only 3 other teams in the $70 Mill payroll range, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and St. Louis. That means that only 10 teams will have more then $70 Mill payrolls for the year 2004 which is crazy considering that there are 3 teams under $30 Mill and 3 more between $30-$40 Mill. That means that 6 teams are spending half as much as the top 10 teams despite having satisfactory income and revenue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomasmoney 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Anglesault i think what most non-Yankee fans are saying is that there needs to be more competitive balance in baseball. Let's face the New York Yankees are in the biggest city in the country, have some of the highest ticket prices/ revenue , an owner who spends like crazy, the best tradition in the sport. The fact that Steinbrenner can just go out an add a player like A-Rod whenever he feels like it and have a payroll double or triple of that of most teams is absurd. Teams like the Tigers and the Expos just can't compete with the Yankees and honestly about 15-20 teams have no realistic chance of winning the World Series the day the season starts. Its not like football where you have teams come out of nowhere every season. Wait, baseball has those teams as well. Just like last season, when those underdog Marlins beat the Yankees and 2002, when those pesky Angels beat the Yankees, and I mean embarassed them. While the Yankees obviously have choked the last two years, especially last year ( wait, Jeff Weaver cost them all 6 games of the series, I forgot) , you can't sit here and say that it is far what the Yankees are doing, and that its for the good of the game I love to watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 15, 2004 But why should the Yankee's stop being competitive to acheive that balance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 It may not be fair but as mentioned, numerous teams can spend a hell of a lot more then the 20, 30 & 40 Mill that they choose to. It's the owners who choose to not improve their teams despite getting good revenue from television contracts and money from ticket sales. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 The fact that Steinbrenner can just go out an add a player like A-Rod whenever he feels like it and have a payroll double or triple of that of most teams is absurd The fact that owners allow it is absurd. There is no reason whatsoever to have an 18 million dollar payroll in 2004. There is no reason for extremely wealthy men to throw out a team for 45 mil. There is especially no reason for George to not use every resource at his disposal to win. If you're not willing to go to any length to win, you have no business owning a baseball team. It's no fair to GEORGE that he is branded a villain for being a good owner who does what he has to do to win, while someone like the Tampa Bay owner, who CLEARLY doesn't give a shit, is made into one of Evil George's victims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Here's a question. Are the Yankees profitable? I honestly believe they are, in which case there's no room for complaint about the Yankees. There's nothing wrong with what they do, except they are completely mortgaging their future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'd assume they are since they usually sell out their games and make a shit load in TV(along w/the YES Network IIRC) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 How can you blame the Yankees for this? 1. Texas signed him to this ridiculous contract...and the Players Association won't let the deal change that much. 2. Boston was trying to do the same thing. I didn't hear anyone bitching when Boston tried to get him. As long as there is no cap in baseball...the Yankees are just playing by the rules someone else set up. Besides...I like anything that pisses of Boston fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Bullshit. I think I have more optimism going into the 2004 season as a Jays fan with their $50 million payroll than you do as a Yankee fan with their $180+ million payroll. If you can field a talented team for as cheap as possible, why spend more than you have to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Bullshit. I think I have more optimism going into the 2004 season as a Jays fan with their $50 million payroll than you do as a Yankee fan with their $180+ million payroll. Well, that's because I don't believe in optimism. If you can field a talented team for as cheap as possible, why spend more than you have to? If you wanna do that, you have no right to bitch out George Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I'm saying that in 2004, it's absurd that men are trying to field a baseball team for 55 mil. Not that I'm defending Jeffrey Loria and as an A's fan I plenty of expierence with dealing with cheap ownership BUT the team that won the World Series last year had a payroll few million less than that. Lack of competitive balance is bullshit because having the highest payroll has guarenteed the Yankees nothing the last three years. A team can win on a $40-55 million payroll. Really only the few teams at the bottom of the payroll scale truly have no shot at winning. Spending a lot helps for sure but it definently doesn't guarentee you championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Yeah: Left side of Yankees infield (Rodriguez, Jeter, Boone): $49 million. Florida Marlins 2003 payroll: $49 million. Winning the World Series: Priceless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Well, that's because I don't believe in optimism. Well, I feel sorry for you, then. What's the fun in being a sports fan if you can't be optomistic about your team's potential? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted February 15, 2004 i just don't see why I should give a shit about a sport where one team is spending 5 times as much as another. I don't care why or who's the bad guy, it's just stupid, especially when the NFL is finally getting thier shit together. I mean for teams like Boston and the Yankees there isn't even a point in playing the regular season at all, barring guys breaking thier legs. And even with that happens you can just buy a replacement from a cheap team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 15, 2004 . I mean for teams like Boston and the Yankees there isn't even a point in playing the regular season at all, Funny that you would pick that Example. You know, the one where there are two teams who need to play regular season because they are both vying for the same spot. Well, I feel sorry for you, then. What's the fun in being a sports fan if you can't be optomistic about your team's potential? I have confidence. Optimism is a stupid human trait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I didn't hear anyone bitching when Boston tried to get him. As long as there is no cap in baseball...the Yankees are just playing by the rules someone else set up. Besides...I like anything that pisses of Boston fans. Boston was giving up a $20mill player for a $27mill player The Yankees are giving up a $6mill player, minor leaguer, and now reported cash for a $27mill player. Its ridiculous to compare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Anglesault.. there's a bit of a problem with every team spending 70 or 80 million. There's this thing called 'local markets', that the teams depend upon for revenue. In some markets, there's not enough revenue to maintain having a high payroll. Now, if we get teams (like your Yankees) to agree to some revenue sharing, some teams might be able to pull off paying more. What expensive players could the Devil Rays go for? they have a 21.1M payroll now. With 300K for Baldelli and Crawford. The Yankee payroll in 2004 with ARod: 194.68M And let's go though some of the big-earners. Kevin Brown: 15M Jason Giambi: 17.1M Derek Jeter: 18.9M Mike Mussina: 14.75M Jorge Posada: 10.2M Mariano Rivera: 10M Alex Rodriguez: 24.1M Gary Sheffield: 13M Javier Vazquez: 11.25M Bernie Williams: 12.6M Total for those 10: 146.9M Now.. there's a reason for such a huge payroll. Some Yankees are really really overpaid. Steve Karsay: 5.6M (may not be ready for opening day) Tom Gordon: 3.6M (all that for a 36 year old reliever?) Kenny Lofton: 3.1M (wasn't he in the plan to make Bernie a DH and Giambi a first baseman? Either that.. or he's a spare part) Paul Quantrill: 3.2M (35 year old relief pitcher, who comes off some good years in the best pitchers park in baseball) Let me also say that Jeter, Giambi and Bernie will be examples of the idea of 'don't sign guys to long expensive deals'. Jeter's gonna make 20M in 5 years. There's no chance in hell that he's gonna be better then than he is now. Steinbrenner wants to win. But, in the process, he plunders the farm system and overpays for old pitchers and overpays in general. Basically calls for some teams to spend more means 'overspend'. The market for free agents isn't that strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I didn't hear anyone bitching when Boston tried to get him. As long as there is no cap in baseball...the Yankees are just playing by the rules someone else set up. Besides...I like anything that pisses of Boston fans. Boston was giving up a $20mill player for a $27mill player The Yankees are giving up a $6mill player, minor leaguer, and now reported cash for a $27mill player. Its ridiculous to compare Fine...then the point is the Red Sox didn't want it bad enough to get the deal done. That deal makes it easier for them to do...and it didn't happen. Instead they let it explode into a media circus and have their two best position players ready to ship at a moments notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
