Martin Luther

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I'm going to bed, when I get up tomorrow I expect to see a real shitstorm. Get cracking 'trane.

Its Banky, fucko...my name is Banky.

 

See! Lutheranism is based on sex, booze, and self-mutilation - how immoral! People worship this guy? He has churches named after him? Whats next?! Church's named by Al Bundy...?

It's not that people worship Luther...the Lutheran church is pretty much the same as the Catholic church, but with many reforms that were suggested by Luther and his peers. His views on sex and alcohol have nothing to do with his religious views.

 

His self punishment is kind of messed up though.

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Its Banky, fucko...my name is Banky.

Avatars, names, jesus can't you just stick to the one thing

Go to bed.

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I'm going to bed, when I get up tomorrow I expect to see a real shitstorm. Get cracking 'trane.

Its Banky, fucko...my name is Banky.

 

See! Lutheranism is based on sex, booze, and self-mutilation - how immoral! People worship this guy? He has churches named after him? Whats next?! Church's named by Al Bundy...?

It's not that people worship Luther...the Lutheran church is pretty much the same as the Catholic church, but with many reforms that were suggested by Luther and his peers. His views on sex and alcohol have nothing to do with his religious views.

 

His self punishment is kind of messed up though.

Hypocrites....

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Lutheranism, welcome reform of a corrupt system or divisonal secterian mess?

I think it was a combination of both. There were many people who did believe that there were problems in how the Church operated, and their were valid reasons for reform. On the other hand, all this division wound up rearing its ugly heads at times, like when Oliver Cromwell and co. took over England.

The French Wars of Religon is a good example

I was not aware of that. I mainly focus on English history.

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I was, but i'm finding this all quite facinating

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I'm going to bed, when I get up tomorrow I expect to see a real shitstorm. Get cracking 'trane.

Its Banky, fucko...my name is Banky.

 

See! Lutheranism is based on sex, booze, and self-mutilation - how immoral! People worship this guy? He has churches named after him? Whats next?! Church's named by Al Bundy...?

It's not that people worship Luther...the Lutheran church is pretty much the same as the Catholic church, but with many reforms that were suggested by Luther and his peers. His views on sex and alcohol have nothing to do with his religious views.

 

His self punishment is kind of messed up though.

Hypocrites....

Where do you see hypocrisy?

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Also the religous extremisim of the Habsburgs

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I was, but i'm finding this all quite facinating

Me too.

 

This is propably the most scholarly posting I've ever done.

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I'll introduce culture, history and the arts into this forum if it kills me

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Also the religous extremisim of the Habsburgs

Thanks to a little help from Google, I remember this from my Western Civ classes.

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Spain and the Papel States were also very counter-reformist as well I believe

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Spain and the Papel States were also very counter-reformist as well I believe

I think so. At the start of the reformation, either the king or queen of Spain was a first-cousin of the Pope. That's why Henry VIII wasn't allowed to divorce Catherine, because she was also their cousin.

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Spain and the Papel States were also very counter-reformist as well I believe

Considering that the Papel States were controlled mostly by Rome, I'd think that the Pope was counter-reformist.

 

I said hypocracy that people follow "Lutheranism" when their leader had a history of boozing, sex, and other non-Christian behavior. But considering the Papal State's had warmongering Pope's for hundreds and hundreds of years - I'd say that Catholicism has a *little* bit of hypocracy as well.

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If Jesus turned water into wine then obviously boozing is nothing major

 

I disagree with a woman being able to sleep around, I do agree with poligamy for guys though cause who wouldn't want a large amount of pussy without hearing their wife(or in this case wives) bitch?

 

The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

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Gotcha. I understand your point about hypocricy and such with Luther.

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If Jesus turned water into wine then obviously boozing is nothing major

 

I disagree with a woman being able to sleep around, I do agree with poligamy for guys though cause who wouldn't want a large amount of pussy without hearing their wife(or in this case wives) bitch?

 

The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

Jesus didn't drink whine to get loaded and fuck broads. It was a symbol of his life (blood). Thats why it is acceptable in churches everywhere - and especially during his lifetime.

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The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

That's one of the things I've never understould about Catholocism with the whole celebacy of priests, nuns, etc. How can they give family/marriage advice/counseling if they never really have had their own?

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I bet Jesus got drunk all the time. Shit, if god came out of nowhere and told me I was to be crucified and die for everybody's sins I'd either

 

A.) Be already drunk off my ass and that's why I'm seeing that

 

B.) Headed to the bar cause I'm fucked anyways

 

You seriously don't think he got drunk to forget about that stuff? He was a human being, I'm sure he did. They probably just didn't include it in the Bible because they don't wanna make him look bad.

 

I also find it hard to believe that a guy who could perform miracles and hung around with hookers never got laid. At the very least you know he whacked it.

Once again, all things left out of the bible to make Jesus seem like he had no faults.

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If Jesus turned water into wine then obviously boozing is nothing major

 

I disagree with a woman being able to sleep around, I do agree with poligamy for guys though cause who wouldn't want a large amount of pussy without hearing their wife(or in this case wives) bitch?

 

The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

Jesus didn't drink whine to get loaded and fuck broads. It was a symbol of his life (blood). Thats why it is acceptable in churches everywhere - and especially during his lifetime.

It's also used because drinking wine is usually associated with something special.

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I bet Jesus got drunk all the time. Shit, if god came out of nowhere and told me I was to be crucified and die for everybody's sins I'd either

 

A.) Be already drunk off my ass and that's why I'm seeing that

 

B.) Headed to the bar cause I'm fucked anyways

 

You seriously don't think he got drunk to forget about that stuff? He was a human being, I'm sure he did. They probably just didn't include it in the Bible because they don't wanna make him look bad.

 

I also find it hard to believe that a guy who could perform miracles and hung around with hookers never got laid. At the very least you know he whacked it.

Once again, all things left out of the bible to make Jesus seem like he had no faults.

But wasn't Jesus born knowing that he would eventualy die for the salvation of everyone?

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No, god came to him in some garden or forrest or something like that.

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I bet Jesus got drunk all the time. Shit, if god came out of nowhere and told me I was to be crucified and die for everybody's sins I'd either

 

A.) Be already drunk off my ass and that's why I'm seeing that

 

B.) Headed to the bar cause I'm fucked anyways

 

You seriously don't think he got drunk to forget about that stuff? He was a human being, I'm sure he did. They probably just didn't include it in the Bible because they don't wanna make him look bad.

 

I also find it hard to believe that a guy who could perform miracles and hung around with hookers never got laid. At the very least you know he whacked it.

Once again, all things left out of the bible to make Jesus seem like he had no faults.

You deserve to have your balls cut off. Jesus wasn't a mere "human being". He was the human, living version son of God. I'm sure he had the ability to abstain from women and drink. Lesser people have been able to do that, so I'm sure Jesus was too.

 

After re-reading your post again, my mind is completely boggled by your stupidty. Jesus whacked it? He took advantage of hookers?

 

Are you going to argue now that Mary COULDN'T have been a virgin because she beared Jesus? Fucknut.

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Mary was a virgin up until that point, afterwards she wasn't because she had 3 kids with that Joe guy.

 

Really though, think about it in today's terms. A man walks around able to perform miracles and claim he's the son of god.

 

Nowadays he would be placed in a mental institution, if he wasn't he would have a large based following and be able to get all the pussy he wanted to.

 

See, I believe there's a god but I'm not going to say its Jesus, or Buddah, or whomever because I just don't know. Also, why should I believe a book about 2000 years old written by the guy's best friends? Of course they'll make him look good if they truly believed he was the son of god...they're scared shitless of getting on his bad side and facing him when he dies.

 

I have to believe that Jesus didn't die a virgin and also got drunk from time to time, I also bet he got high from Opium that came over from India.

 

With only the Bible to go by its just not enough evidence for me

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With only the Bible to go by its just not enough evidence for me 

 

But that doesn't matter. The point of the Bible is to show the positive character of Jesus.

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With only the Bible to go by its just not enough evidence for me 

 

But that doesn't matter. The point of the Bible is to show the positive character of Jesus.

Exactly!

 

I'm sure there were negatives. Everybody has their faults. Its insane to think he was perfect. Plus what's the big deal about him getting drunk or having sex? He did his job and died for everybody's sins...give the man a little pleasure with life.

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It's just nice to think Jesus was perfect so it inspires the best out of us.

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Roman Catholic Papal History That Will Not Go Away !

Pope John VIII

 

“Whenever you see a legend, you can be sure,

If you go to the very bottom of things, that you will find history”

Vallet de Viriville

 

 

Born in Britain 818

Studied philosophy in Athens

Moved to Rome and entered the priesthood

Gained reputation as a brilliant scholar and won a university chair

Appointed a Cardinal by Pope Leo IV and upon his death in 853 was elected Pope. Pope John VIII

 

 

POPE JOAN ruled the Roman Catholic Church from 853 to 855.

Pope Joan had a private chamberlain named “Florus”.

One day, while “On Procession” down one of the streets of Rome, she gave birth prematurely to their son.

 

 

The citizens of Rome were so enraged at the deception – John was in reality Joan – that they tied their Pope to the tail of her horse and dragged her through the streets of Rome. They then stoned her and her infant son to death.

 

The next day a “monument” to the event, a pile of stones, was erected on the spot the Pope “dropped” her baby. The monument remained until the following Pope got tired of having to detour around “the embarrassment”.

 

The history of Pope John (Joan) has been acknowledged by over 150 church historians of the Middle Ages.

 

To “cover” history Pope Leo’s death was moved back two years to 855 by the Vatican.

 

Ever since the death of Pope Joan all of the candidates for Pope have had to submit to an examination to insure

The candidate is a man – not a eunuch, and not a WOMAN.

 

Pope Clement VIII, in the 17th Century, ordered all records of Pope Joan destroyed. He realized that if the Papal chain were broken it would destroy the myth that claims that the Papalhood descended from St. Peter to the current Pope in an unbroken line. If the line is broken the whole project is a sham!

 

In 1886 Greek author Emmanuel Royadis was excommunicated for writing his book “Pope Joanna”.

 

( 1998 research indicates that in all probability the “man” known in history as

“The Englishman – John of Mainz” was indeed SHE )

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The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

That's one of the things I've never understould about Catholocism with the whole celebacy of priests, nuns, etc. How can they give family/marriage advice/counseling if they never really have had their own?

because they know better than everyone. d'uh.

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Lord Jesus.

 

FrigidSoul, you know nothing of Catholicism. You scare me.

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The most disturbing aspect is he got some nun to escape and marry him. Way to respect god fucknut

That's one of the things I've never understould about Catholocism with the whole celebacy of priests, nuns, etc. How can they give family/marriage advice/counseling if they never really have had their own?

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