Guest Redhawk Report post Posted February 28, 2004 As much as I dislike the way WWE has turned so much of the focus on "suits" (owners, GMs, commissioners, announcers, managers, etc.) and away from wrestlers, there's one byproduct of this that I REALLY hate: Why is it that every heel has to be aligned with the Heel Boss? And why does every babyface have to feud with the Heel Boss? For the most part, this only applies to the main eventers and near-main eventers. But it seems like every time someone turns heel, one of the heel suits is involved. Either the wrestler directly works for them or they have to get some kind of "You're officially a bad guy now" approval from the suit. Similarly, when someone turns face, the first feud they're in always involves a suit. What's the point? I'd say it's just the McMahon's egos taking over again, but it's not just them. Paul Heyman, JR, the various GMs and commissioners....why are these non-wrestlers always so involved in every storyline? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I was actually wondering that myself this past week on Smackdown. Why does Heyman hate Eddie so much? Am I missing something? Did Eddie do something to him before that I'm not aware of? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Also....why are heel suits always trying to fire babyfaces? I mean, I could see if it were someone non-important like Hardcore Holly or The Bashams, But be realistic: Why would Vince McMahon, owner of the WWE, want to hurt his own product by firing someone like The Rock or Steve Austin? I've never understood that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I was actually wondering that myself this past week on Smackdown. Why does Heyman hate Eddie so much? Am I missing something? Did Eddie do something to him before that I'm not aware of? Heyman brought Brock into the WWE and was his main man on Smackdown, and Eddy just beat him for the belt. Also he is following Angle's complaint that Eddy is a bad person, cheater, etc. and shouldn't be able to call himself a champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I was actually wondering that myself this past week on Smackdown. Why does Heyman hate Eddie so much? Am I missing something? Did Eddie do something to him before that I'm not aware of? Heyman brought Brock into the WWE and was his main man on Smackdown, and Eddy just beat him for the belt. Also he is following Angle's complaint that Eddy is a bad person, cheater, etc. and shouldn't be able to call himself a champion. Well, I did get that myself, but Heyman himself hasn't really said anything to that extent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Did Eddie do something to him before that I'm not aware of? Why the hell not? They based THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JANUARY On something that happened between Kurt and Eddie that no one was aware happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I was actually wondering that myself this past week on Smackdown. Why does Heyman hate Eddie so much? Am I missing something? Did Eddie do something to him before that I'm not aware of? Heyman brought Brock into the WWE and was his main man on Smackdown, and Eddy just beat him for the belt. Also he is following Angle's complaint that Eddy is a bad person, cheater, etc. and shouldn't be able to call himself a champion. Well, I did get that myself, but Heyman himself hasn't really said anything to that extent. Heyman shouldn't HAVE to explain this. It should be self-implied or said through Kurt Angle (which wasn't). Otherwise, we'd get another long promo about it from Paul Heyman (which we will get this coming Thursday) that takes up even more time off of which we get our wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Heyman doesn't hate Eddy, he just got pissed off over him knocking Dawn Marie over. You must learn the difference between hate and occasional anger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Heyman shouldn't HAVE to explain this. It should be self-implied or said through Kurt Angle (which wasn't). Otherwise, we'd get another long promo about it from Paul Heyman (which we will get this coming Thursday) that takes up even more time off of which we get our wrestling. Exactly. Why is it that people need the Sledgehammer of Logic to pound the point home? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 28, 2004 It actually makes sense for Heyman and Angle to be aligned. As I've pointed out before, they had contact during the time Angle was a babyface. At first it was small stuff like Heyman making matches for Angle. But then it almost appeared as though Angle had Heyman's ear and was making matches that benefited him. As for why they're aligned, that's easy: they're both on this "morality is good" mindset. They also have the past connection as agent and client. At heart, Heyman's current character is a hypocrite. Think about it, isn't it a little odd for the former owner of ECW to be concerned with morality? The truth (in kayfabe terms) is that Heyman doesn't care about morality. He only cares about a good public image. He wanted Brock as champ because of his mainstream appeal and respectibility. But you may ask, "Why would Heyman want a bloodthirsty monster like Lesnar as champion?" Simple, that can be overlooked as Lesnar simply having the killer instinct. Not to mention being aligned with Lesnar gives Heyman physical protection. But I do agree that sometimes a heel will join an Evil Boss for no good reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted February 28, 2004 But why does Heyman -- or any heel suit -- even have to be involved? Can't Eddy Guerrero be a main event babyface and just feud with other wrestlers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 28, 2004 But why does Heyman -- or any heel suit -- even have to be involved? Can't Eddy Guerrero be a main event babyface and just feud with other wrestlers? No. Because Vince has a hard-on for the Evil Boss angle. It gives him an excuse to be on TV (not that he really needs one). He also probably thinks it was solely responsible for the Attitude era (which it wasn't). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Why? Because the Rock/Austin storyline with the Corporation and anti-establishment hero worked so amazingly well, it forever cemented in their minds that Vince HAD to be in storylines and this how it had to be. Come to think of it, I almost wish that had never happenned because it seems everything mirrors it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Simply put, the writing team is lazy and uncreative. That's why all heels work for the boss, and all faces work against the boss. Remember the days when they'd try to keep non-feuding heels and faces apart? That way there was still some question as to who was the baddest and strongest heel/face in the fed. I really wish they'd go back to those days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo Effect 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Also....why are heel suits always trying to fire babyfaces? I mean, I could see if it were someone non-important like Hardcore Holly or The Bashams, But be realistic: Why would Vince McMahon, owner of the WWE, want to hurt his own product by firing someone like The Rock or Steve Austin? I've never understood that. While I'm sure this has long since slipped past everyone's minds, there was a very interesting angle they ran on a RAW in 1998 or so where Pat Patterson and Gerald Brisco were celebrating because Austin seriously injured himself at a house the previous night. McMahon then freaked out on them, making mention of how much money Austin brings in and such. Of course, it was never touched upon again, but so is wWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I think it just boils down to not having a better idea. The heel boss is way overplayed and really needs to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karc 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 We let the "evil boss" angle get over huge. If it hadn't it would be something different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted February 28, 2004 I wish we could go back to the times when on-screen authority figures weren't the leaders of the shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 While I'm sure this has long since slipped past everyone's minds, there was a very interesting angle they ran on a RAW in 1998 or so where Pat Patterson and Gerald Brisco were celebrating because Austin seriously injured himself at a house the previous night. McMahon then freaked out on them, making mention of how much money Austin brings in and such. Also in the early days of Austin/McMahon after Foley had lost at Over The Edge. Vince was in the ring firing Mick he said that only reason he doesn't fire Austin because at least Austin makes him money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2004 Heyman doesn't hate Eddy, he just got pissed off over him knocking Dawn Marie over. You must learn the difference between hate and occasional anger. Are you sure? Because Angle did say that Heyman was involved in his plan to take out Eddie last week. I don't think that's occassional anger. And I'm not wanting a huge explaination about why Heyman hates Eddie. I was just wondering why they didn't have him say something in passing, like how Eddie screwed up his plans to make Brock the centre of all of Smackdown, yadda yadda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted February 29, 2004 Evil owners are played out and I'm sick of them, but having the announcers involved is just wrong. I swear, Jim Ross has wrestled like 10 matches in the last two years, when he wrestled maybe 1 or 2 in the previous 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites