Serial Killers

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Also, if you want to get into forensics, I might suggest going to college, rather than digging holes in Tank Abbott's backyard.

I'll be going to college. I do however want to visit these sites anyways.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

I'm a fun loving sick ass puppy, thank you very much

 

Also I don't believe any of them are cool, I just find criminal psychology very fascinating and I'd like to try and figure out what drove these people to do it. Its more than just "They're crazy" as something had to set them off at one point and turn them to the path of destruction.

I don't know...the way you talk about them seems like you're like "and this guy was so badass because he had enough guts to..." It is just the vibe I get from what you say more than anyone else. Like you admire them for doing what you want to?

 

Mine's purely a morbid fascination. I'm sure I'd shit myself if I ever met Andre Chikatilo.

I've seen that guy, he's a pussy down deep. He dresses like a pansy, and all his faces are very scary, but he is a coward and I know he would back down if someone like me came at him with the fight. Let's be reasoanble, how tough can you be to kill little girls?

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I think all small children torture some kind of animal at some point. Its just a way of learning about an aspect of life you can't learn about otherwise. Its just whether or not you continue to go further with it after learning about the line between life and death.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Here's the speech I gave on him a week ago

 

 

 

 

Edward Gein : Wisconsinner

 

 

I’m sure all of you have heard of Leatherface (from TCM), Norman Bates (from Psycho) and Buffolo Bill (From SOT Lambs) but I’m guessing some of didn’t know that all three of these movie characters were inspired by a local murderer, a Plainfield Wisconsin resident, Ed Gein. (SHOW Ed’s Picture) Edward became notorious in 1957 when he became a suspect when a hardware store owner turned up missing. When his farm was searched the police had no idea the horrors they were about to uncover.

 

The first policeman on the scene walked into Ed’s summer house and in the dark stumbled into what he thought was a deer hung out and gutted (as it was late November and deer hunting season was in full swing). Too his horror he realized that the carcus hanging in front of him was human and hand been beheaded and gutted out (SHOW Pic of Gutted Victem) He had just found the missing Bernice Worden. After Gein was arrested the police started to go through his delabidated home. The horror continued as the police went through the inside of Gein’s small farm house. They discovered the remains of 15 bodies in total, and although it 1st thought that the police had stumbled upon a mass murderer, it was later determined that only 2 of those bodies were of people Gein had murdered, all the rest were bodies that had been dug up from local cemeteries under the cover of nightfall.

 

Turns out Ed was using the bodies (all of which were women who were of 50 years of age or older) to perform experiments much like in the Nazi torture books that Gein was fond of reading. In the house the police discovered Gein had made cups out of human skulls, chairs out of skin and bone, lampshades made of skin, a belt made of nipples, attempted to make shrunken heads, a box of pickled vaginas and his most cherished possession, a suit he made him self out of human flesh which included a Mask, breasts and vagina. (SHOW PIC from Gein Movie) A final disturbing note about the discovery: For years Ed offered his neighbors venison sausage, presumably from deer Ed shot, but it was later learned that Ed never did go hunting which would lead one to suspect that the corpses may have been Ed’s neighbor’s snacks.

 

So what could drive a person to commit such foul acts? A look at his family will provide some clues. Ed’s father was a mentally weak man and an alcoholic, and he was battered physically and verbally by Edward’s mother Augusta. Augusta was a heavyset and physically domineering woman who was a borderline religious fanatiac. She read the bible daily to Edward and his brother Henry and preached to them the evils of women. Her constant preaching made Ed want to please his mother more than anything else in the world, Henry on the other hand was annoyed by his mothers overly moralistic views and wanted to free himself from his mother’s control. After their father died Ed grew closer than ever to his mother, while Henry attempted to shun her. Henry even told Ed he was too much of a “mama’s boy”. Ed didn’t take to kindly to this, and police and researchers believe that he decied to rid himself of Henry’s interference once and for all. While the 2 men were out in the woods a brush fire broke out and according to Ed the brothers were separated and only Ed managed to find his way home. He informed the police he had lost his brother in the flames , but oddly enough, he was able to lead the police right to where Henry’s body lay, and Henry’s head had been busted up, apparently from a rock. No one suspected Ed had done this, as Ed was just the quiet, eccentric country boy, or way he could take his brother’s life.

 

With Henry out of the way Ed was free to spend as much time with his mother as possible, and he formed a bond that some feel was sexual in nature, although no acts of incest ever occurred. After a few years of Ed and his mother living together, she took ill and died as well, leaving Ed alone for the first time in 40 years. It was around this same time that Ed started visiting graveyards and exhuming graves to heal his loneliness. Ed also spent much of his time helping his neighbors with chores, as well as spending time at the local bar. Its owner Mary Hogan was said to bear a striking resemblence physically to Ed’s mother, and Ed took a great liking to her. When she turned up missing, with a blood trail left in the bar, people feared the worst. But not Ed, he joked with others that he had Mary strung up at home. The towns folk dismissed this as just being “Weird ole Eddie” but it would later be proven that Ed had indeed done her in. A little over a year later another old lady, the hardware store owner, Bernice Worden turned up missing, but this time Ed left crucial evidence behind, as he left a receipt for antifreeze which he had bought right before shooting her. Since I covered the police findings earlier I’ll just move on to Ed’s trial. Gein was ruled to be mentally insane and he remained in a mental asylum for 30 years, where he proved to be a model prisoner. I’ve met with 2 people who knew him from there and both agree Ed was a genial guy, other than his longing stares he gave female nurse there.

 

So what legacy does Ed leave behind? At least 6 movies are inspired at least in part by him, novelty T-shirts, Countless websites, several books as well.

 

As far as the little town of Plainfield where all this madness took place over 50 years ago? Well the towns folk are real weary about tourist looking for murderbillia, as me and buddies can attest to based on our numberous trips we’ve made there.

 

Finally what became of the murder house, where the atrocities took place? It was burnt down by arsonist shortly after the crimes were uncovered, and now a hunting shack sits on the property.

 

In closing I’d just like to say that I hope you all found this to be an interesting story, and if you’d like any info, or want to see my personal pics or the original newspaper copies from the 50’s and 60’s, feel free to see me during break or after class.

 

I hope after hearing this tale you all go home, lock your doors and rest in peace

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

I think all small children torture some kind of animal at some point. Its just a way of learning about an aspect of life you can't learn about otherwise. Its just whether or not you continue to go further with it after learning about the line between life and death.

That's pretty much it, me and my cousins just had fun when we were bored many summers ago.

 

Hell I feel bad now when I hit pheasants with my car.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Let's be reasoanble, how tough can you be to kill little girls?

 

Tough doesn't matter if you're nuts.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

Let's be reasoanble, how tough can you be to kill little girls?

 

Tough doesn't matter if you're nuts.

That's where I will kick him. Then let's see how far his crazy personality will get him.

 

I think all small children torture some kind of animal at some point. Its just a way of learning about an aspect of life you can't learn about otherwise. Its just whether or not you continue to go further with it after learning about the line between life and death.

FrigidSoul is just trying to creep everyone out now. I can hear him getting another Raven promo ready.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I took out a flock of sparrows and pigeons with a BB gun when I was a kid, but I never overtly tortured any animal. Except for ants. I was a regular Mengele to an anthill. That's not too crazy, though.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I'm a fun loving sick ass puppy, thank you very much

 

Also I don't believe any of them are cool, I just find criminal psychology very fascinating and I'd like to try and figure out what drove these people to do it. Its more than just "They're crazy" as something had to set them off at one point and turn them to the path of destruction.

I don't know...the way you talk about them seems like you're like "and this guy was so badass because he had enough guts to..." It is just the vibe I get from what you say more than anyone else. Like you admire them for doing what you want to?

I won't lie that I do have a fascination with death and what not. However I don't have an extreme blood lust. There were times when I was really fucked up in my early teens where I would have probably stabbed somebody with a screwdriver for the point of doing so. Let me also say that it isn't a part of me that I enjoy having, as I feel its dormant...but ya never know what will happen.

 

See my grandmother who helped raise me died right around when my brother was born. So all of a sudden I lost my major support and any minor support I could have had was now focused on the new baby...that paired up with interaction from other kids that just sucked kinda drove me off the deep end. However I got help and I'm in control right now so long as its a calm enviroment. I can still however, when provoked in a fight go into a mode where I literaly black out. Happened to this guy at a bar who I fought. Pounded the hell out of him to a point where Paramedics told the bartender the man's face had looked like it was hit by the grille of a truck(the guy was causing problems at the bar though so I wasn't ratted out).

 

So in short I'm fine right now in person unless something comes about where I'm really provoked and backed against a wall. Then it just sorta breaks out as a way of survival. Weird, but useful

[Guest Banders Kennany]

I'm not even reading that last post because I just know I'm gonna be freaked out to hell.

[Downhome 0]

The only kind of bad thing that I ever did to an animal of any sort was burn roaches and other large insects with a huge cattle prod on our old family farm. There was just something about using that thing and watching the electricity go through the insects, shiver and shake every part of it's body, turn various colors, and then reach a point where it's body could no longer take it, and it simply would combust into flames and burn to ashes.

 

But yeah, all kids do stuff like that.

[Highland 0]

 

Would you fuck with him?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I was like Darth Maul with a magnifying glass. I used to singe my brother with it when we were little, too.

[Guest Astro]

I'm a fun loving sick ass puppy, thank you very much

 

Also I don't believe any of them are cool, I just find criminal psychology very fascinating and I'd like to try and figure out what drove these people to do it. Its more than just "They're crazy" as something had to set them off at one point and turn them to the path of destruction.

I don't know...the way you talk about them seems like you're like "and this guy was so badass because he had enough guts to..." It is just the vibe I get from what you say more than anyone else. Like you admire them for doing what you want to?

I won't lie that I do have a fascination with death and what not. However I don't have an extreme blood lust. There were times when I was really fucked up in my early teens where I would have probably stabbed somebody with a screwdriver for the point of doing so. Let me also say that it isn't a part of me that I enjoy having, as I feel its dormant...but ya never know what will happen.

 

See my grandmother who helped raise me died right around when my brother was born. So all of a sudden I lost my major support and any minor support I could have had was now focused on the new baby...that paired up with interaction from other kids that just sucked kinda drove me off the deep end. However I got help and I'm in control right now so long as its a calm enviroment. I can still however, when provoked in a fight go into a mode where I literaly black out. Happened to this guy at a bar who I fought. Pounded the hell out of him to a point where Paramedics told the bartender the man's face had looked like it was hit by the grille of a truck(the guy was causing problems at the bar though so I wasn't ratted out).

 

So in short I'm fine right now in person unless something comes about where I'm really provoked and backed against a wall. Then it just sorta breaks out as a way of survival. Weird, but useful

I bet Frank will be thrilled to have you come and visit with that vote of confidence

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

See that guy's nose? That's been broken several times, probably due to people trying to fight back. Didn't stop him any of the 60-odd times it happened.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

When I was a child I use to capture lots of reptiles and amphibians. Mainly alot of the small toads. I would then take sewing needles and place them through the rib cage of the toads and drive them through the wooden supports of our second story porch. I would then slowly watch the process of them going from life to death. First squirming about and trying to get free, until they finally died. I'd leave them up afterwards and go down there after school to take note of the changes...like the skin begining to tighten up and then fall off and what not until it finally became a skeleton on the support beam. I had like 17 of them up at one time and my mother saw and yelled at me. *L*

Then there was this one cat that would roam the neighborhood. I was in the back yard (probably like 9 year old when this occured) playing with my GI Joes and the cat came up. I started petting it and just letting it stick around for while I played. However I tried making it so the cat would let me use it as a GI Joe mobile transport(just placing them on its back and having them hold onto its flea collar) but it decided to scratch the hell out of my face. Thus I grabbed it quickly by the tail and slammed it down on the ground which dazed it/knocked it loopy. I took it to this little drainage pipe and drownt it in rusty, nasty water. Afterwards I went into the house, grabbed a pillowcase, went back outside and put the animal in there. I swung it into a tree a few times just to hear the splat noises(it was already dead) and then threw it in the pond that was located in the backyard of a couple houses down(pond was pretty big and stretched in length by like 5 houses).

 

Then there was always the M80s in Bullfrogs asses bit which was hilarious. But I bet alot of people did that.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

Owen Wilson's looked worse, and that guy is a pussy. Trust me. I saw the Oscars. And some people can just have weird noses you know?

 

FrigidSoul is sure doing a lot of typing just to try to prove he's an insane piece of garbage for some reason.

[Guest Astro]

Threads dying down...

 

Quick somebody talk about the uncaught serial killer from Wichita who called himself "Bind, Torture, Kill".

 

The character of Francis Dolarhyde is loosely based on him in Red Dragon

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I wouldn't hurt Frank. However if somebody came up and tried fucking with us like robbing us or something I'd let Frank know to slowly back off and then I'd deal with the person.

 

I'm more protective than random beat people up man. I'm that friend you walk with in bad neighborhoods at night because you know you would be safe from anybody screwing with ya.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

Dying down? I've been replying about every ten minutes.

 

I find it hard to believe Pedro Lopez got away with 300 murders.

 

~Time to sign off,

Banders

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Are you suggesting Owen Wilson can beat up a guy who killed over 60 people?

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Pedro Lopez was caught after his first 100 murders but he was caught by native americans. The natives stripped him of his clothes and were going to skin him alive but some white guy walking about preaching Christianity told them that it would be wrong to do so in god's eyes and they should hand him over to him. Natives did so and the guy basically let Pedro walk not believing that the courts would find him guilty because of what some random native tribes had said.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

this is all rather interesting. does anyone have links to websites with more information for someone who doesn't know much about this stuff?

[Guest Astro]

I wouldn't hurt Frank. However if somebody came up and tried fucking with us like robbing us or something I'd let Frank know to slowly back off and then I'd deal with the person.

 

I'm more protective than random beat people up man. I'm that friend you walk with in bad neighborhoods at night because you know you would be safe from anybody screwing with ya.

I just got this image of Cactus Jack and Tank Abbott going to the bars...in Green Bay none the less....

[Guest Astro]

this is all rather interesting. does anyone have links to websites with more information for someone who doesn't know much about this stuff?

Crimelibrary.com

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Are you suggesting Owen Wilson can beat up a guy who killed over 60 people?

*LMAO* That was great. Maybe if he had Ben Stiller's help!

 

Andre often tore people open with his bare hands. You'd be punching him in the face and he would be busy trying to rip through your abdoman ignoring your punches. The amount of police it took to restrain the man was absurd.

[Guest Astro]

Are you suggesting Owen Wilson can beat up a guy who killed over 60 people?

*LMAO* That was great. Maybe if he had Ben Stiller's help!

 

Andre often tore people open with his bare hands. You'd be punching him in the face and he would be busy trying to rip through your abdoman ignoring your punches. The amount of police it took to restrain the man was absurd.

Okay now I'm interested...

[Guest FrigidSoul]

this is all rather interesting. does anyone have links to websites with more information for someone who doesn't know much about this stuff?

Crimelibrary.com

That is a very good site. Most of these people have books written on them now too. I would also suggest looking through your TV Guide/Digital Guide from time to time as well. A&E, History Channel, Biography, Court TV, Discovery Channel on very rare cases, and MSNBC when they do criminal profiling. They have a series called Iron Hand/Dark Heart which will profile serial killers from time to time.

[Guest Astro]

The pit inspiration for SOTL

 

 

"early February 1987, Heidnik found reason to punish Lindsay when he caught her trying to move the plywood that covered the pit. The punishment was severe. She was forced to hang from a roof beam by a single handcuff attached to her wrist for several days. During this time, her condition deteriorated and she refused to eat. Still believing her to be pregnant, Heidnik tried to force feed her pieces of bread. Towards the end of the week, even though she was vomiting and running a high fever, Heidnik continued to force feed her, often jamming food into her mouth and holding her mouth shut until she swallowed. The next day she lost consciousness. When Heidnik couldn't rouse her, he became angry and unlocked the handcuffs, dropping her to the ground. He told the others that she was faking and kicked her into the pit and left her there while he served up ice cream for everybody and left. When he returned, he lifted Lindsay out of the pit and checked her pulse. She was dead.

 

After telling the girls that she had probably choked, he carried Lindsay's body upstairs. A short time later, they shuddered with horror when they heard the unmistakeable whine of a power saw. Their horror later turned to revulsion when one of Heidnik's dogs walked into the basement carrying a long meaty bone and proceeded to devour it in front of the terrified girls. Investigators would later reveal that Heidnik had ground up Lindsay's flesh using a food processor that he had specially purchased for the task, and fed it to his dogs and the captives mixed with dog food. To dispose of the remaining parts of the body, he cooked them on the stove.

 

 

 

Convinced that the girls were constantly plotting against him, Heidnik devised a plan of his own to prevent them from leaving. After cuffing each girl hand and foot, he hung them from a beam and gagged them. Then, taking several different sizes of screwdrivers, he gouged inside their ears in an attempt to deafen them. He believed that if they could not hear, they would be unable to hear him coming. The only one he didn't touch was Josefina Rivera.

 

 

Later when Deborah Dudley began to cause trouble, he unchained her and took her upstairs. When they returned, Dudley was unusually quiet and solemn. After Heidnik had left, the others asked her what had happened. Stammering with fear, she told them that Heidnik had taken her into the kitchen and showed her a pot he had on the stove. Inside it was Sandra Lindsay's head. He then opened the oven and showed her part of Sandra's ribcage that he was roasting. Opening the fridge, he pointed to an arm and other body parts that he had wrapped in plastic and told her that if she didn't start obeying him, she would be next.

 

 

Crime Library.com

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Are you suggesting Owen Wilson can beat up a guy who killed over 60 people?

*LMAO* That was great. Maybe if he had Ben Stiller's help!

 

Andre often tore people open with his bare hands. You'd be punching him in the face and he would be busy trying to rip through your abdoman ignoring your punches. The amount of police it took to restrain the man was absurd.

Okay now I'm interested...

movie Citizen X starring Donald Sutherland is a loosely based true story about the police chasing down Andre. You could rent that.

 

Crime Library mini-bio on the man

 

Another site, with links to victim photos

 

Look at the man's eyes...the portal into another person's soul is through their eyes. Even in photos you can see the man is pure evil.