WrestleMania XX

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

All I was doing, was making a point about how most people base their ppv buys on one match, the main event... even if the undercard is crap. Mania III probably wasnt the best example, but yeah thats what I was trying to get across

And how is this supposed to be supportive of WM XX? You just said that there was just so much that can be oh so good - it's NOT like how there was just THE main event to look forward to.

[Guest thebigjig]

"However, there's a HUGE difference in watching one good thing on TV every week and buying a $50 PPV to support that one good thing and a bunch of other stuff you're not into. Not a whole lot of people are going to make that step."

 

THAT is all I was responding to... end of story. That wasnt even supposed to be that big of a deal lol

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Final word... the good thing has to be REALLY FUCKING GOOD for it to sell on its own. Otherwise you end up with another NWO 2004 buyrate, which nobody wants. That is all.

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

For some reason, I think the card is excellent. I also think it's going to be one of the best Wrestlemanias ever.

[Guest thebigjig]

Final word... the good thing has to be REALLY FUCKING GOOD for it to sell on its own. Otherwise you end up with another NWO 2004 buyrate, which nobody wants. That is all.

lol I AGREE!!

 

 

NEXT!

[Guest thebigjig]

For some reason, I think the card is excellent. I also think it's going to be one of the best Wrestlemanias ever.

eh, I dont know... it could turn out to be amazing

 

Did anyone expect Wrestlemania X-7 to be as good as it turned out to be? I know I didnt, and I remember everyone being really really down on the build to it beforehand

[ChrisMWaters 0]

For some reason, I think the card is excellent. I also think it's going to be one of the best Wrestlemanias ever.

Of course it is!

 

I'm going there, it HAS to be.

 

Besides...how many people thought that WrestleMania X would even be halfway as memorable as it was back when it was first coming around?

[King Cucaracha 0]

"It could be worse... "

 

Wow, well, I'm convinced...

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362

ummm I wasnt trying to convince you of anything... if you want to bitch about everything, go ahead, you're entitled

You were the one who basically said RRR should be happy Eddie is the champion, regardless of the stupid 'drug addiction' storyline that will never go away now Brock AND Angle have used it. Hell, I'm happy Eddie's champion. But I could do without the drug storyline...cause right now, Eddie/Angle just isn't grabbing me like it really should be.

 

 

I didnt say he should think my way. I was just curious as to why he likes to pick everything apart, and why he cant just be satisfied, even to a certain extent with something that at its base, is a very very good thing. I never expect too much from WWE or wrestling in general... thats why I try and be happy with what I get. If I see improvement, I give them props on that improvement instead of being a whiny bitch all the time

I quote...

 

Do they HAVE to give YOU a reason to?? Couldn't ya just be happy that someone you say, have been a mark for for the last 10 years or so is finally given the title and is being pushed as the star of the company??

 

Couldn't you just be happy...that sounds an awful lot like questioning someone's thoughts to me. You may not be telling him what to think, but you're at the same time not listening to his point.

 

Can you honestly say you're completely happy with the Angle-Eddie storyline? If no, does that make you a whiny bitch? Exactly. I'm sure RRR is happy Eddie's champion. But he, like me, is pissed off that the story of Eddie's quest for the gold for 15-20 odd years has been put aside to play up his drug addiction which IS dead and buried, and should therefore be treated as such in storylines. It ain't getting him sympathy. That is the only reason they'd be using that line of thought...to get him sympathy. He'll get sympathy from 0.01% of the audience who have survived drug addiction, sure.

 

I understand that you feel Eddie as champ is a good thing, and you're not the only one. But 'It could be better' just doesn't cut it. Neither is calling people whiney bitches because they point out why they're not into Eddie/Angle like you are.

[Guest JumpinJackFlash]

^^Good point! That was a two match show. Two very memorable matches. Now, let's see which two of these matches can be memorable enough to make Wrestlemania 20 a classic:

 

Lesnar vs. Goldberg

Undertaker vs. Kane

HHH vs. Benoit vs. Michaels

Guerrero vs. Angle

Christian vs. Chris Jericho

Cena vs. Big Show

Rock and Sock Connection vs. Evolution

[ChrisMWaters 0]

JumpingJackFlash: Um...were you talking about thebigjig's point of Mania X-7 or mine on Mania X?

[Guest thebigjig]

"It could be worse... "

 

Wow, well, I'm convinced...

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362

ummm I wasnt trying to convince you of anything... if you want to bitch about everything, go ahead, you're entitled

You were the one who basically said RRR should be happy Eddie is the champion, regardless of the stupid 'drug addiction' storyline that will never go away now Brock AND Angle have used it. Hell, I'm happy Eddie's champion. But I could do without the drug storyline...cause right now, Eddie/Angle just isn't grabbing me like it really should be.

 

 

I didnt say he should think my way. I was just curious as to why he likes to pick everything apart, and why he cant just be satisfied, even to a certain extent with something that at its base, is a very very good thing. I never expect too much from WWE or wrestling in general... thats why I try and be happy with what I get. If I see improvement, I give them props on that improvement instead of being a whiny bitch all the time

I quote...

 

Do they HAVE to give YOU a reason to?? Couldn't ya just be happy that someone you say, have been a mark for for the last 10 years or so is finally given the title and is being pushed as the star of the company??

 

Couldn't you just be happy...that sounds an awful lot like questioning someone's thoughts to me. You may not be telling him what to think, but you're at the same time not listening to his point.

 

Can you honestly say you're completely happy with the Angle-Eddie storyline? If no, does that make you a whiny bitch? Exactly. I'm sure RRR is happy Eddie's champion. But he, like me, is pissed off that the story of Eddie's quest for the gold for 15-20 odd years has been put aside to play up his drug addiction which IS dead and buried, and should therefore be treated as such in storylines. It ain't getting him sympathy. That is the only reason they'd be using that line of thought...to get him sympathy. He'll get sympathy from 0.01% of the audience who have survived drug addiction, sure.

 

I understand that you feel Eddie as champ is a good thing, and you're not the only one. But 'It could be better' just doesn't cut it. Neither is calling people whiney bitches because they point out why they're not into Eddie/Angle like you are.

I didnt specifically call him a whiney bitch, although I will of course admit that I think alot of people on this board come off that way 75% of the time, and believe me I'm not alone in thinking that

 

Now, even though I'm wasting my time doing this, I'll cut this down a little more and take each sentence, word by word apart for you, just so you can understand it a little more

 

"couldn't ya just be happy that someone you say, have been a mark for for the last 10 years or so is finally given the title and is being pushed as the star of the company??"

 

You are correct! That is a question, which I'm entitled to ask. What is your point? It's not like I'm demanding him to love it, I was just wanting to know why he thought that way, and why perhaps he couldn't be happy with something considering you're never... never never never going to get anything better. As I've stated before, I think some of you set your WWE standards way too high.

[King Cucaracha 0]

After you asked that question, RRR gave you an answer as to why he couldn't. You basically ignored it, and in your next post used the words 'whiney bitch'. Forgive me if I'm too slow and you have to 'break this down into pieces' for me.

 

And kid, you're preaching to the choir here. I'm one of the more positive guys on this board usually. There's very few people in the company I actually hate...I don't get involved in the HHHate or the Orton stuff. I understand what you're saying...

 

BUT, the point was made that RRR doesn't like the drug addiction being in the Angle storyline, and you questioned that maybe he should shut up and like it because Eddie's champion.

 

Oh, and btw, the 'shut up and like it because it's the best you'll get attitude'...it's not a valid excuse. The more you use it, the more you'll be challenged on it.

[Guest thebigjig]

After you asked that question, RRR gave you an answer as to why he couldn't. You basically ignored it, and in your next post used the words 'whiney bitch'. Forgive me if I'm too slow and you have to 'break this down into pieces' for me.

 

And kid, you're preaching to the choir here. I'm one of the more positive guys on this board usually. There's very few people in the company I actually hate...I don't get involved in the HHHate or the Orton stuff. I understand what you're saying...

 

BUT, the point was made that RRR doesn't like the drug addiction being in the Angle storyline, and you questioned that maybe he should shut up and like it because Eddie's champion.

 

Oh, and btw, the 'shut up and like it because it's the best you'll get attitude'...it's not a valid excuse. The more you use it, the more you'll be challenged on it.

the reason I use "shut up and like it" is because it's like some of you are expecting a four star movie directed by Edward D. Wood Jr, and it's simply not going to happen.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Don't know who that is...still, there's no way of defending that arguement. Some people do expect a lot. That's because IT'S THE NUMBER ONE PROMOTION IN THE WORLD. You expect things to be very good from the #1, whatever it is.

[Guest thebigjig]

Don't know who that is...still, there's no way of defending that arguement. Some people do expect a lot. That's because IT'S THE NUMBER ONE PROMOTION IN THE WORLD. You expect things to be very good from the #1, whatever it is.

but coming from a promotion with a track record that includes the Katie Vick storyline?? Even when the company was riding high back in 99, the storylines were pretty stupid

 

My point is that this is probably as good as it's gonna get with this company... so you can either try and enjoy it, or just stop watching it all together, because it's my firm belief that Eddie's going to drop the title after 'Mania and will get the Jericho treatment when the ratings dont soar with the latino population like they're banking on. Then bitch all you want, but for the time being, try and relish the fact that finally, someone who deserved to be rewarded, has been

 

besides, I'm sure Eddie isnt complaining

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

How can you say "it's as good as you're going to get" when I posted a thread that had something better (Brock/Benoit)?

 

I'd rather have high standards than low standards.

 

Jeez BigJig, you're just rolling out all the old cliches. There must be this "Book for Excusing Poor Quality" that people like you have to help make this board dimmer. Seriously, the Eddie Guerrero-for-World-Champion push was 3 weeks long. 3 WEEKS. And they couldn't even give it to him cleanly. That's barely a push; it's more like a nudge. As for people saying "Finally", how long as Eddie Guerrero been aiming for the World Title? Oh, 3 weeks you say? WOWEE, the long struggle to the top sure is steep with many winding roads. But finally, after all those hard struggles of... well... hard struggles... Eddie Guerrero FINALLY gets the gold he desired for so long. Those 3 weeks seemed like an eternity, I tellsya.

[Guest thebigjig]

How can you say "it's as good as you're going to get" when I posted a thread that had something better (Brock/Benoit)?

 

I'd rather have high standards than low standards.

 

Jeez BigJig, you're just rolling out all the old cliches. There must be this "Book for Excusing Poor Quality" that people like you have to help make this board dimmer. Seriously, the Eddie Guerrero-for-World-Champion push was 3 weeks long. 3 WEEKS. And they couldn't even give it to him cleanly. That's barely a push; it's more like a nudge. As for people saying "Finally", how long as Eddie Guerrero been aiming for the World Title? Oh, 3 weeks you say? WOWEE, the long struggle to the top sure is steep with many winding roads. But finally, after all those hard struggles of... well... hard struggles... Eddie Guerrero FINALLY gets the gold he desired for so long. Those 3 weeks seemed like an eternity, I tellsya.

What part of "this is as good as you're going to get" do you not understand? how hard is it to read that sentence??

 

Yes, YOU had a thread about something better... WOW! Want a cookie? Well you better accept the cookie because unless the WWE creative team comes here to look at your splendid scenerio and steals it, then that's all you're gonna get

 

This company has been dishing out crap for YEARS, and this is so much freakin' better than what we were getting during the Russo years that yes, I believe what they are doing qualifies as high standards. High standards for this particular company. If you want a higher standard, stop watching WWE and spend all of your time with a company like ROH. It'll give ya less stress AND something less to bitch about everyday. It may even keep you from turning grey for a few more years

 

Constantly bitching about WWE's poor quality is fucking ridiculous in my opinion because this is fucking GREAT compared to most of the shit I've watched over the years. I have my complaints, but when I see something that is an improvement over everything else, then I'm gonna call it instead of cross my arms over my chest, stomp my feet into the ground and pick it apart any chance I get just so it will give me an excuse to bitch about something that most fans dont even give a rats ass about

[Guest Anglesault]

The fact that WWE ios completely ignoring the entire month of January is a clear example of how messed up everything is right now.

They only really did that with Kurt-Eddie, and in that case, it had to be done.

 

Anyway, I would have turned Shawn heel after Survivor Series, and go on a tear, mentioning every big name that he's beaten, until Kurt comes back (To Raw) and challenges him to see who is better.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Let's put this in perspective.

 

I said Benoit was the only person I care about in the WWE.

 

You said "What about Eddie?"

 

I said that I don't care about Eddie because they have given me no reason to.

 

Apparently, just giving Eddie the title should be enough reason to care. You know how ridiculous that sounds? It's like saying "I crossed the finish line of the marathon in just 20 minutes!" when in reality you took a car to get there. This is all "on paper", there is nothing actually "there" for me to get behind. Yet *I* am at fault here. Absolutely hilarious. You are a fucking gem, you know that? I've had this discussion with countless people and you are all of them rolled into one. Priceless. You know what, if someone said to me 3 years ago that Eddie Guerrero would be champion I'd say "OK... and?" because quite frankly that alone doesn't get me off. I'm not an optimist and I'm not a pessimist; I'm a circumstantialist. I care about the factors involved as much as I care about the end-result. So don't play that shit with me, cause it won't work.

 

And YOU'RE here talking to me about high standards? I guess anything seems high when you're head is in the ground.

[Guest Choken One]

Here was my card in Early January...

 

WWE Title

Brock Lesnar© Vs Chris Benoit

 

World Title Match

2/3 Falls Match

Triple H © Vs HBK

 

Undertaker Vs Kane

 

Kurt Angle Vs Eddy Guerrero

 

NYC Street Fight

Mick Foley Vs Randy Orton

 

The Rock Vs Ric Flair

 

I.C Title Match

Ladder Match

Matt Hardy Vs Rob Van Dam ©

 

U.S Title Match

The Big Show © Vs John Cena

 

WWE Tag Title Match

W.G.T.T © Vs Spanky and London

 

World Tag Title Match

Le Resistance © vs Dudley Boyz

 

Chris Jericho Vs Christian

 

CW Title 4 Way Dance

Mysterio Vs Tajiri Vs Knoble Vs Kidman

 

Woman's Title

Molly © Vs Victoria Vs Trish Stratus

 

20 Man Battle Royal

(Raw)Booker T, Hurricane, Rosey, Venis, Storm, Spike, Test, Richards, Dreamer,Rico

(Smackdown) Rikishi, Bradshaw, Farooq, Rhyno, A-train, Dragon, Palumbo, Stamboli,Nunzio, Jordan.

 

Not sure which wound up better...This one or the real one...

[Guest Anglesault]

Here was my card in Early January...

 

WWE Title

Brock Lesnar© Vs Chris Benoit

 

World Title Match

2/3 Falls Match

Triple H © Vs HBK

 

Undertaker Vs Kane

 

Kurt Angle Vs Eddy Guerrero

 

NYC Street Fight

Mick Foley Vs Randy Orton

 

The Rock Vs Ric Flair

 

I.C Title Match

Ladder Match

Matt Hardy Vs Rob Van Dam ©

 

U.S Title Match

The Big Show © Vs John Cena

 

WWE Tag Title Match

W.G.T.T © Vs Spanky and London

 

World Tag Title Match

Le Resistance © vs Dudley Boyz

 

Chris Jericho Vs Christian

 

CW Title 4 Way Dance

Mysterio Vs Tajiri Vs Knoble Vs Kidman

 

Woman's Title

Molly © Vs Victoria Vs Trish Stratus

 

20 Man Battle Royal

(Raw)Booker T, Hurricane, Rosey, Venis, Storm, Spike, Test, Richards, Dreamer,Rico

(Smackdown) Rikishi, Bradshaw, Farooq, Rhyno, A-train, Dragon, Palumbo, Stamboli,Nunzio, Jordan.

 

Not sure which wound up better...This one or the real one...

I like it.

 

I'd like it more if you could work Angle/HBK in there somehow.

 

And get Test off the show.

[Guest Choken One]

OK...Replace him with Steiner.

 

But making Angle/HBK you cancel out Triple H and Eddy...But I guess you could EASILY stick The Rock in there with him, they have 6 years of backstory to build the match.

 

Eddy??? Sadly, I guess the best case scenario would have been extending the Chavo angle...

 

Or Maybe Interpromotional Match with RVD for no reason.

 

And go Matt/Booker for the IC Title instead.

[Guest Anglesault]

Good.

 

Now, get to working on that Angle/HBK match.

[Guest thebigjig]

Since we're not getting Angle/HBK for Mania... sadly... anyone here think we'll ever see it?? With Angle's condition... it seems unlikely, but you never know

 

Is Angle/HBK the last real dream match?

[Guest Anglesault]

Since we're not getting Angle/HBK for Mania... sadly... anyone here think we'll ever see it?? With Angle's condition... it seems unlikely, but you never know

 

Is Angle/HBK the last real dream match?

Yeah yeah yeah Dream match, whatever.

 

I don't know if it's a Dream Match. It's a match I've been asking for for six months.

[Guest thebigjig]

Let's put this in perspective.

 

I said Benoit was the only person I care about in the WWE.

 

You said "What about Eddie?"

 

I said that I don't care about Eddie because they have given me no reason to.

 

Apparently, just giving Eddie the title should be enough reason to care. You know how ridiculous that sounds? It's like saying "I crossed the finish line of the marathon in just 20 minutes!" when in reality you took a car to get there. This is all "on paper", there is nothing actually "there" for me to get behind. Yet *I* am at fault here. Absolutely hilarious. You are a fucking gem, you know that? I've had this discussion with countless people and you are all of them rolled into one. Priceless. You know what, if someone said to me 3 years ago that Eddie Guerrero would be champion I'd say "OK... and?" because quite frankly that alone doesn't get me off. I'm not an optimist and I'm not a pessimist; I'm a circumstantialist. I care about the factors involved as much as I care about the end-result. So don't play that shit with me, cause it won't work.

 

And YOU'RE here talking to me about high standards? I guess anything seems high when you're head is in the ground.

You're arguing the entirely wrong point here. You didnt even address my points about how this is the f'ing WWE here where the so called high standards you demand do not exist nor have they existed, at least not in a very very long time. I don't set my standards so high for the WWE product because I know I'm not going to get it. It's like going into a movie like "Dude, wheres my car" and expecting from the very beginning, to see a film like Schindler's List, and then BITCHING about it after you walk out of the theater.

 

You know why I have low standards for WWE? Because I KNOW I'm not going to get high standards! I enjoy it for what it is

[Guest thebigjig]

Since we're not getting Angle/HBK for Mania... sadly... anyone here think we'll ever see it?? With Angle's condition... it seems unlikely, but you never know

 

Is Angle/HBK the last real dream match?

Yeah yeah yeah Dream match, whatever.

 

I don't know if it's a Dream Match. It's a match I've been asking for for six months.

well maybe not a dream match in the true sense... like Hogan/Austin or whatever but what are the odds of it ever happening?

[Guest Anglesault]

You're arguing the entirely wrong point here. You didnt even address my points about how this is the f'ing WWE here where the so called high standards you demand do not exist nor have they existed, at least not in a very very long time.

 

Not his problem.

 

It's their job to meet his expectations, not his job to lower his.

[Guest thebigjig]

You're arguing the entirely wrong point here. You didnt even address my points about how this is the f'ing WWE here where the so called high standards you demand do not exist nor have they existed, at least not in a very very long time.

 

Not his problem.

 

It's their job to meet his expectations, not his job to lower his.

Well guess what? They're obviously not going to meet his expectations, so what's the point in staying with a company that is obviously not going to ever satisfy you? It doesnt work that way in anything else, but I guess cynical smart marks exist in an entirely different universe where people feed you pure shit, and you respond with "gross! this is disgusting! I dont like this! Give me something better!" and they respond with "no! keep eating!" and you respond with "okay, but I still dont like it! Give me something better!"

[Guest Anglesault]

So, our choices are "Accept the shit and LOVE IT~!" or "Stop Watching"

 

Sounds Familiar.