Bush Ads Go Negative

[Guest SideFXs]

My taxes weren't ever relly "lowered" by that much in the first place.  Sure my $300 dollar check was nice for that WEEK, but I wouldn't be in any different situation today if I had never recieved it.  I wouldn't mind if my taxes were at the same rate they were before the Tax cut which is what Kerry wanted to do I thought, just repeal the Bush Tax cut.

Well, 300 dollars multiplied by 70 million taxpayers does make a difference. Whether you go out and buy something or put it in your savings account (then the bank invests it), you have to see that it does make a difference, for the economy!!!!. Not necessarily you. But, you get to spend your money as you see fit. Not the government.

 

So Bush’s tax rebate is spent to the tune of 21 Billion dollars, all over the country. That creates demand for goods, businesses take in profits, they need to produce more goods, which is where employment comes into the equation. Then you, you sniveling fool, get to keep your job or get a job & pay taxes. Period…

 

Liberals, always thinking of themselves.

[Guest MikeSC]

The problem is not usually that operation costs are too high, rather the board of trustees simply want more money in their own pocketbooks.  Companies netting billions up and leave the country in search for the mighty dollar.  Jobs are filled overseas mainly because labor/human rights/health restrictions in NAFTA are not upheld and/or enforced therefore the cheap labor occurs.  The Corporations know that China/South america are not going to enforce these rules and regulations therefore corporations go there knowing they are exploting workers.  That is what it is really about, exploiting workers abroad to put more money in THEIR POCKETS.  I know this comes off as "Corporations BAD, workers GOOD" but I don't see how you can look at modern day outsourcing in any other way.  Also I am not even really talking about tech jobs mostly since $4/hr is actually pretty good for an american job wage overseas.  I am more referring to the $.30/day jobs like making Nike shoes or something in that group.

Mike, you can't compare the plight of other workers to the plight of American workers.

 

.30/hr is criminal here. In OTHER countries, it is a livable wage for exceptionally menial work that could be totally mechanized for only slightly more money.

-=Mike

You really believe that 30 cents an hour is a liveable wage anywhere?

Yes.

 

Heck, for less than a dollar a month, you can prevent a child from starving in various countries. Those ads wouldn't lie about that, would they?

 

$.30 US/hour would be a livable wage in some countries.

-=Mike

well then show me finanical proof of this.

Sorry, but I don't have the financial info of Bangladesh immediately at hand.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

The problem is not usually that operation costs are too high, rather the board of trustees simply want more money in their own pocketbooks.  Companies netting billions up and leave the country in search for the mighty dollar.  Jobs are filled overseas mainly because labor/human rights/health restrictions in NAFTA are not upheld and/or enforced therefore the cheap labor occurs.  The Corporations know that China/South america are not going to enforce these rules and regulations therefore corporations go there knowing they are exploting workers.  That is what it is really about, exploiting workers abroad to put more money in THEIR POCKETS.  I know this comes off as "Corporations BAD, workers GOOD" but I don't see how you can look at modern day outsourcing in any other way.  Also I am not even really talking about tech jobs mostly since $4/hr is actually pretty good for an american job wage overseas.  I am more referring to the $.30/day jobs like making Nike shoes or something in that group.

Mike, you can't compare the plight of other workers to the plight of American workers.

 

.30/hr is criminal here. In OTHER countries, it is a livable wage for exceptionally menial work that could be totally mechanized for only slightly more money.

-=Mike

You really believe that 30 cents an hour is a liveable wage anywhere?

Yes.

 

Heck, for less than a dollar a month, you can prevent a child from starving in various countries. Those ads wouldn't lie about that, would they?

 

$.30 US/hour would be a livable wage in some countries.

-=Mike

well then show me finanical proof of this.

Sorry, but I don't have the financial info of Bangladesh immediately at hand.

-=Mike

well then why are you claiming you know it is a living wage?

[NoCalMike 0]

Edit: hmmm.......wrong thread......

[Guest Cerebus]

Here is a couple of mine.......

 

 

 

Those don't look like living wages to me...

[Ripper 0]

Mike, what job is "only worth" .30 cents a day? What job is worth 4 bucks an hour? The fact that they were hiring people at 9 dollars an hour shows how what they KNOW the job was worth.

 

 

 

And yes, outsourcing has always happend, but it is happening at greater numbers now, having a greate impact on our economy and when taxpayers go to their elected officals, they are now being told "But you not having a job is good for you because this helps the economy." Its bullshit plain and simple. There is no bigger and better jobs in the customer service field. It has remained constant for years now and it was not going to change. The only thing that changed is that companies are allowed to sacrifice customer satisfaction for more money in their pockets by paying criminally low wages to get work done.

 

And whats even more bullshit is that the customer is getting screwed too. Buy a computer and the salesperson is American...need helpdesk, it is based in India. Order phone service...American...need to change the service, you have someone with okay-ish English. Customer service is getting worse, people are losing jobs, yet somehow this is suppose to be good for americans because outsourcing these thousand upon thousands of jobs is suppose to create these new uber jobs that will pay better and lead the country to better days....all coming from customer service...yeah...I see that happening.

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike, what job is "only worth" .30 cents a day?  What job is worth 4 bucks an hour?  The fact that they were hiring people at 9 dollars an hour shows how what they KNOW the job was worth. 

The jobs that they have NO problems filling at 30 cents/day (it's not that low) are the jobs that are WORTH 30 cents a day. Heck, most minimum wage labor here in America isn't worth $5.15/hr. The fact that overpaid some people grossly simply shows why they had to move operations overseas.

And yes, outsourcing has always happend, but it is happening at greater numbers now, having a greate impact on our economy and when taxpayers go to their elected officals, they are now being told "But you not having a job is good for you because this helps the economy."  Its bullshit plain and simple.  There is no bigger and better jobs in the customer service field.  It has remained constant for years now and it was not going to change.  The only thing that changed is that companies are allowed to sacrifice customer satisfaction for more money in their pockets by paying criminally low wages to get work done. 

 

And whats even more bullshit is that the customer is getting screwed too.  Buy a computer and the salesperson is American...need helpdesk, it is based in India.  Order phone service...American...need to change the service, you have someone with okay-ish English.  Customer service is getting worse, people are losing jobs, yet somehow this is suppose to be good for americans because outsourcing these thousand upon thousands of jobs is suppose to create these new uber jobs that will pay better and lead the country to better days....all coming from customer service...yeah...I see that happening.

If they could find Americans to fill the jobs at the wage the job deserves, it wouldn't be a problem.

 

But they can't.

 

So they don't.

-=Mike