More On TNA Telling Wrestlers Not To Work For ROH

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Can't TNA and RoH fans get along?

Go post a pro-TNA thought on the ROH official board and see what happens.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Eep....Let me correct myself...

 

Can't fans who post on this board get along?

[Guest OSIcon]

Can't TNA and RoH fans get along? They are the only real Indy's with a nationwide audience (I'll admit RoH probably has more, but TNA also is able to broadcast across the country) and hoping death on both is wrong wrong WRONG.

 

For me, it's not about "TNA vs. ROH" unless of course in a situation like this where their paths are directly crossing and ROH could end up on the short end of the stick.

 

I don't neceasarily wish death on TNA, but my honest opinion is that as a company, they've head their heads below the water since they started. From a business standpoint, I have no faith in a company that for all intents and purporses, as gone two years without making a profit. The money will dry out at some point. Panda has been unbelievably dedicated to the promotion when you consider how they continue to pump money into the promotion at a steady pace while not making a cent. That can't last forever and TV may not be the solution they are looking for. As I mentioned before, the only thing TV guarentees is additional costs. It is a big risk and far from certain that they will see enough gain in buys in order to finally break even.

 

So when a company as that little of chances of doing well financially and they are putting on a piss poor product, I don't exactly feel inclined to cheer them onto make it at the expense of ROH.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Actually as it's been pointed out tons of times before, Panda gets a tax break for having a branch that's losing money. So in the end they could actually be making money from TNA losing money.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Can't TNA and RoH fans get along? They are the only real Indy's with a nationwide audience (I'll admit RoH probably has more, but TNA also is able to broadcast across the country) and hoping death on both is wrong wrong WRONG.

 

For me, it's not about "TNA vs. ROH" unless of course in a situation like this where their paths are directly crossing and ROH could end up on the short end of the stick.

 

I don't neceasarily wish death on TNA, but my honest opinion is that as a company, they've head their heads below the water since they started. From a business standpoint, I have no faith in a company that for all intents and purporses, as gone two years without making a profit. The money will dry out at some point. Panda has been unbelievably dedicated to the promotion when you consider how they continue to pump money into the promotion at a steady pace while not making a cent. That can't last forever and TV may not be the solution they are looking for. As I mentioned before, the only thing TV guarentees is additional costs. It is a big risk and far from certain that they will see enough gain in buys in order to finally break even.

 

So when a company as that little of chances of doing well financially and they are putting on a piss poor product, I don't exactly feel inclined to cheer them onto make it at the expense of ROH.

I wasn't really singling anyone out, but you make a good point. But for TNA to even think about expanding they need to take big risks otherwise they'll just be stuck in a rut like now.

 

Back on topic, from a unbias point of view, this isn't a WWF vs. WCW of the Indys. Big talents aren't jumping to work for one show or anything. TNA is trying to get a T.V. deal with exclusive wrestlers, but it's more that the Fox Sports executives are the people behind it.

 

Before this deal has started working out, TNA higher ups have only discussed it, but never took action.

 

So if theirs anyone to blame for the asking workers not to do RoH shows anymore, I point the finger at Fox Sports Network.

[Guest Max Peter David]

That joke would work better if Rob was still a part of ROH.

 

I really hope AJ says no to this. He's said on occasion that he prefers ROH to TNA (Gee- can't imagine why) so I hope he sticks to that and tells TNA to fuck off

money talks

Yep it does. And when WWE's money tryed to talk to Styles a couple years ago, Styles told it to shut up.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

That joke would work better if Rob was still a part of ROH.

 

I really hope AJ says no to this. He's said on occasion that he prefers ROH to TNA (Gee- can't imagine why) so I hope he sticks to that and tells TNA to fuck off

money talks

Yep it does. And when WWE's money tryed to talk to Styles a couple years ago, Styles told it to shut up.

Yeah, he said shove off to a terrible paying dvelopement contract.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

That joke would work better if Rob was still a part of ROH.

 

I really hope AJ says no to this. He's said on occasion that he prefers ROH to TNA (Gee- can't imagine why) so I hope he sticks to that and tells TNA to fuck off

money talks

Yep it does. And when WWE's money tryed to talk to Styles a couple years ago, Styles told it to shut up.

Come on. The phrase "money talks" means if you give someone enough money, they'll do things they normally might not do.

 

WWE offerred AJ $500 a week. Your point is weak.

[Guest MikeSC]

Actually as it's been pointed out tons of times before, Panda gets a tax break for having a branch that's losing money. So in the end they could actually be making money from TNA losing money.

These tax breaks, from what I understand, are not indefinite.

-=Mike

[Michrome 0]

Mike is right. The tax breaks are intended to keep failing businesses afloat for a little while, so they can hopefully turn things around, but they're not set up as eternal welfare.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

That joke would work better if Rob was still a part of ROH.

 

I really hope AJ says no to this. He's said on occasion that he prefers ROH to TNA (Gee- can't imagine why) so I hope he sticks to that and tells TNA to fuck off

money talks

Yep it does. And when WWE's money tryed to talk to Styles a couple years ago, Styles told it to shut up.

WWE offered him 500 a week for an OVW contract. He currently makes more than that for one appearance on TNA.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I was just listening to the pro wrestling insider radio show from Wednesday night. Buck Woodward said that ROH pays AJ more than TNA does. He also said that it wasn't as if TNA was offering to pay him more to compensate for him not doing ROH. This has definitely caused me to take a step back on this.

 

If TNA (or any other promotion for that matter) cannot offer enough money so that it is enough for the wrestler to make a living, then it is just not fair to ask them not to work elsewhere, TV deal or not. If they offer enough money, then I have no problem with them asking, but if they're not, then what do they expect the wrestlers to do?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

That joke would work better if Rob was still a part of ROH.

 

I really hope AJ says no to this. He's said on occasion that he prefers ROH to TNA (Gee- can't imagine why) so I hope he sticks to that and tells TNA to fuck off

money talks

Yep it does. And when WWE's money tryed to talk to Styles a couple years ago, Styles told it to shut up.

WWE offered him 500 a week for an OVW contract. He currently makes more than that for one appearance on TNA.

From what I heard he makes around $1,000 per show (which is double the weeks salary for working in OVW).

 

Still, if RoH is paying him more, TNA should just say "eh" and let him until they are able to pony up the dough to compensate.

 

Now thinking about it, I wonder how much he gets paid working RoH shows.

[Guest OSIcon]

If he gets more for working an ROH show than working a TNA show, I don't think TNA pays him $1,000. Raven asks for (and recieves) $1,500 per indy show (including ROH) and that is supposed to be a top of the line rate. I can't see AJ getting the same amount without Raven upping his or whatever.

 

If I had to take a guess, I would say Styles getsomewhere between 500-750 dollars per TNA show (not including a plane ticket of course). ROH paying him a 1,000 dollars a show does not seem out of the realm of possibility.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

He makes more than 500 for TNA. Norman Smiley was getting 500 from TNA.

 

NORMAN SMILEY.

[Guest MikeSC]

He makes more than 500 for TNA. Norman Smiley was getting 500 from TNA.

 

NORMAN SMILEY.

I thought TNA was cutting salaries, though. I doubt Norman would get that now.

 

If TNA won't pay him more than ROH and won't use him more than 3 days a month, they should just shut up about it.

-=Mike

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Norman's not there anymore because they asked him to take a paycut.

 

However...big name "Talent" like BG James still makes a grand to do nothing.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I'm fairly certain that AJ's going rate on the indy's right now is $1,500. There is no reason anymore for Raven to be getting more. TNA probably pays him about $1,000 a week.

 

It's not enough for TNA to up his pay to match ROH. They need to go way above it so he doesn't have to work anymore. If AJ can make $5,000 a month lets say working weekends for indy's, TNA has to pay him that $5,000 to not work it.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

By the way - the reason why someone like AJ right now or Raven or whoever will take less than their norm to work in TNA is because they can't make any money anywhere else on a Wednesday night.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The indys are where the talent comes from indeed. But it has to go somewhere. They don't bust their asses becoming indy stars to remain indy stars. They do it in hopes of a big fed picking them up. And then when they make it to the big time, the indys get to make new stars. Who again are looking for their big break.

Maybe they bust their asses because they have love for the sport. They don't always do it in favor of getting picked up by a bigger organization. I would say that this is more true when WCW and the WWF were the two big organizations, but it's different now.

[Michrome 0]

1,500 is high. Raven is definitely still more of a draw than Styles in most places. Raven's name on the card ensures a lot of local ecw and wcw fans may check it out. I had heard that ROH pays Styles more than TNA does, too. My guess is he makes about 1,000 give or take a hundred or two each show.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

The indys are where the talent comes from indeed.  But it has to go somewhere.  They don't bust their asses becoming indy stars to remain indy stars.  They do it in hopes of a big fed picking them up.  And then when they make it to the big time, the indys get to make new stars.  Who again are looking for their big break.

Maybe they bust their asses because they have love for the sport. They don't always do it in favor of getting picked up by a bigger organization. I would say that this is more true when WCW and the WWF were the two big organizations, but it's different now.

you don't live in the same world that most people do where you have to work for a living, do you?

 

Wrestlers wrestle to make money and live their life. If they didn't, they wouldn't be wrestling.

[Guest OSIcon]

you don't live in the same world that most people do where you have to work for a living, do you?

 

Wrestlers wrestle to make money and live their life. If they didn't, they wouldn't be wrestling.

 

Obviously most people are out to make a good living and wouldn't settle for sub-par living conditions just so they could do what they love (though there are people out there who do that).

 

However, I don't think it is a safe assumption that all wrestlers are looking to make as much money as humanely possible, even if that means being less happy. Styles could theoretically be pulling in 60,000 dollars a year just through wrestling. If ROH paid him 1000 dollars a show (assuming two shows a month), TNA paid him 750 dollars a show (3 shows a month), and he worked two other indies a month at 500 dollars a peice, he would make over 60,000 dollars a year., If he has another job still (not sure if he does), he would be making a very decent living in order to support his family. I just use Styles as an exmaple, but this applies for other wrestlers also. Who's to say that Styles would jump at the opportunity to make 10,000 dollars more a year (or whatever amount) if it meant giving up something he really enjoyed? If he can still live fine without that added money, I am not so sure he or others would be quick to do it.

 

The point is, yes, they work to make money so they can live comfortably. However, that doesn't mean that making as much money as possible is their only goal.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

you don't live in the same world that most people do where you have to work for a living, do you?

 

Wrestlers wrestle to make money and live their life. If they didn't, they wouldn't be wrestling.

No, I only go to work everyday to earn a living but I guess I wouldn't understand that huh? Obviously wrestlers make money to wrestle, quit acting like there is a shitload of money in it though. Most guys wrestle because they love it, and it doesn't hurt that they could make a paycheck for doing it.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

you don't live in the same world that most people do where you have to work for a living, do you? 

 

Wrestlers wrestle to make money and live their life.  If they didn't, they wouldn't be wrestling.

No, I only go to work everyday to earn a living but I guess I wouldn't understand that huh? Obviously wrestlers make money to wrestle, quit acting like there is a shitload of money in it though. Most guys wrestle because they love it, and it doesn't hurt that they could make a paycheck for doing it.

if you're good, there is a shitload of money in wrestling.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

you don't live in the same world that most people do where you have to work for a living, do you? 

 

Wrestlers wrestle to make money and live their life.  If they didn't, they wouldn't be wrestling.

No, I only go to work everyday to earn a living but I guess I wouldn't understand that huh? Obviously wrestlers make money to wrestle, quit acting like there is a shitload of money in it though. Most guys wrestle because they love it, and it doesn't hurt that they could make a paycheck for doing it.

if you're good, there is a shitload of money in wrestling.

Not necessarily. It depends on the situation. Hell, I've seen plenty of Indy guys that are awesome...but I'd bet my life they won't make shit......

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

But they think they will.

[Guest MikeSC]

Norman's not there anymore because they asked him to take a paycut.

 

However...big name "Talent" like BG James still makes a grand to do nothing.

I'd pay him a grand if he vowed to never enter a ring or appear on TV again.

-=Mike

...Man he sucks

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Norman's not there anymore because they asked him to take a paycut.

 

However...big name "Talent" like BG James still makes a grand to do nothing.

I'd pay him a grand if he vowed to never enter a ring or appear on TV again.

-=Mike

...Man he sucks

I would at least kick up half of that with you Mike.....say 500 bucks.....

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Norman's not there anymore because they asked him to take a paycut.

 

However...big name "Talent" like BG James still makes a grand to do nothing.

I'd pay him a grand if he vowed to never enter a ring or appear on TV again.

-=Mike

...Man he sucks

I would at least kick up half of that with you Mike.....say 500 bucks.....

Oh come on, Road Dogg still has his uses...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, I got nothing. But he's not offensive or anything in the ring.