Disney goes ahead with Toy Story 3, sans Pixar

[Guest wrestlingbs]

It's been announced that Disney will go ahead with a theatrical release of a new Toy Story movie. Since Disney and Pixar split ways, Dinsey will be doing this one by themselves.

 

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To me this sounds like a questionable decision. Disney has had a horrific track record recently with making new movies (Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Hunchback of Notre Dame). Their only recent individual success was Lilo and Stitch, but they didn't have the sense to stop themselves from milking that license dry. On the other hand, Pixar has seemed to do no wrong. Finding Nemo was not only the biggest animated success last year, it was one of the most successful movies last year. And if you have seen the behind the scenes footage on the DVD, it's obvious Pixar was the driving force behind it's success. Taking a Pixar success and trying to make it their own seems risky, and if it flops Disney will look like hacks who lost their star player and now can't get the job done. What do you think?

[Guest Vitamin X]

I think you're right.

[Mole 0]

The question is if Tom Hanks and Tim Allen are going to be in the third one.

[Guest El Satanico]

Disney is still Disney, so I don't see why they couldn't get Hanks or Allen back.

 

The real question is, will they do it with computer animation or try to do it with traditional animation.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

you THINK they are right.

 

I KNOW Disney is going to fuck this up horribly -- because they can't seem to do a damn thing right anymore. They need to stop stop STOP worrying so much about the bottom line and worry more about if they are doing something entertaining... because if you can entertain...the bottom line will be right there...

 

Disney (as well as other big companies) has a thing called "SYNERGY" ...which is of course "milking licenses dry". They do it with EVERYTHING. Shit, I took their business comm. course...and that was the biggest things I learned was that if you can sell something, you should.

 

As much as it's good business practice - it doesn't always work to the fullest advantage.

 

There is no real need for a Toy Story 3 ... except that it sells. I have heard no fans asking when it was going to come out, because it seemed as though everything that fans were questions after the first movie were answered in the second. And the questions that the second movie had don't compel me to watch a third - and I *like* disney movies.

 

Disney needs to start looking at their OWN animation department and how it is really really fucking amazing in some respects - but in others it is down right sad.

 

I saw early posters for what became "Brother Bear" ...the posters were STUNNING. I mean it seemed like it was going to be a very dramatic piece. I saw an image of a forest of giant trees and a bear simply walking through...and I was bewildered. From what I saw of the movie - that one image couldn't transfer to 90 minutes of film.

 

Then again - I like nature and wildlife images such as what that poster portrayed - so there is bias.

 

Still - I saw things for Treasure Planet a few years ago, and the backgrounds and still shots (without characters) looked amazing, and some of the characters even looked pretty good -- but the movie left alot to be desired.

 

Disney has damn near given up on making characters we care about (I can name Lilo & Stitch as two exceptions lately) and has instead just dropped onto us SYNERGY! Toys, Toys, Toys...dammit Toys!

 

Pixar -- on the other hand ... is going out and making amazing films that really make you care. Shit - I cried at the end of Finding Nemo. They are more into putting out one quality product of a motion picture than a zillion mediocre products into the toy market.

 

Disney needs to harken back to movies like Beauty & The Beast, The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, (The Original ones mind you) and others -- ones that had characters that people felt for. People don't cry at the tearful scene in Bambi cause it's a DEER...they cry because it's a MOTHER. Same goes for The Lion King and Mufasa's death, and for so many other classic disney animated films that were so much more than just animated movies. They were legitimate classics.

 

Right now -- all Disney is putting out are animated movies. Ones you could find direct-to-video in any other universe, but here they get theater openings. They lost Pixar, and they are fucking screwed -- because Pixar cared about the film-making. Toy Story has it's fun, friendly, kid moments...but there is enough true character there to make you really give a shit what happens to them.

 

Finding Nemo deserves all the praise it got - because it gave us those characters perfectly.

 

 

Disney needs to wake up, stop searching for green -- and start searching for the people who hold the green.

 

Remember - People First.

 

(i'm saying this...and i worked for these people)

[Guest El Satanico]

Disney has simply forgotten how to tell a story.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I don't think Disney can make a good movie without Pixar now. The last great one I remember was The Lion King.

 

They spend way too much time on these straight to video sequels. They should be ashamed to carry their names on some of them. The two Aladdin sequels were honest to God crap. The animation looked no better then a random Saturday morning cartoon.

 

It's a wonder why the company is in shambles now trying to bump their CEO.

[Guest Anglesault]

Why are we dissing the Hunchback?

[Mole 0]

Disney has simply forgotten how to tell a story.

Pirates of the Caribbean's story was told pretty well.

[DMann2003 0]

Disney has simply forgotten how to tell a story.

Pirates of the Caribbean's story was told pretty well.

That was more thanks to Jerry Bruckheimer's knack for producing and Johnny Depp & Geoffrey Rush's acting than anything Disney executives did.

[2GOLD 0]

Remember when Disney animation wasn't corny jokes using popular phrases and slang?

 

Lion King was the last one that didn't have a bunch of overly goofy lines. Pixar is Pixar so they can get away with it but Animation REALLY needs a story or it comes off like crap.

 

As for this project, I don't know if anyone will see it without seeing the words "PIXAR" involved.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

Right now the only thing Disney has going for it is the fact that they have the rights to the Ghibli movies and when they release Nausicaa the <The Rock>MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NAUSICAA'S FANS</The Rock> will be giving them quite a bit of money. Myself included. Ah well ,maybe not millions in the States. But that is among the greatest things ever animated, period.

[Karnage 0]

Right now the only thing Disney has going for it is the fact that they have the rights to the Ghibli movies and when they release Nausicaa the <The Rock>MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NAUSICAA'S FANS</The Rock> will be giving them quite a bit of money. Myself included. Ah well ,maybe not millions in the States. But that is among the greatest things ever animated, period.

Sorry to get off topic, but it also makes no sense how Disney releases all these Ghibli movies uncut with the original language tracks and a ton of DVD features while they have the rights to a bunch of excellent Hong Kong movies and do nothing with them or release them cut and dubbed.

[Mole 0]

Disney has simply forgotten how to tell a story.

Pirates of the Caribbean's story was told pretty well.

That was more thanks to Jerry Bruckheimer's knack for producing and Johnny Depp & Geoffrey Rush's acting than anything Disney executives did.

Actually, when the film was written by good writers, the story will be told well.

 

Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio, who both wrote Shrek, wrote PotC.

[Guest Anglesault]

Right now the only thing Disney has going for it is the fact that they have the rights to the Ghibli movies and when they release Nausicaa the <The Rock>MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NAUSICAA'S FANS</The Rock> will be giving them quite a bit of money. Myself included. Ah well ,maybe not millions in the States. But that is among the greatest things ever animated, period.

Uhm, what exactly does that mean?

 

What's a Ghibli?

[Richard 0]

Why are we dissing the Hunchback?

Who's brilliant idea was it to make a movie based on a critic parody?

[Guest wrestlingbs]

Why are we dissing the Hunchback?

Who's brilliant idea was it to make a movie based on a critic parody?

Damn straight. One of these days Disney's going to run out of fairy tales to rip off and historical events to mutilate. i don't think they'll ever have to worry about money, just credibility.

 

Anybody remember the whole controversy about how Atantis was allegedly a frame by frame rip off of a Japanese anime movie?

[AndrewTS 0]

Eh, actually, the Atlantis comparisons to what-the-hell-ever seemed to be a laundry list of cliches. There were some character design similarities, but it didn't seem like that big a deal.

 

Also, Atlantis was a movie, but I'm pretty sure that anime that it supposedly ripped off was a series.

 

"I don't think Disney can make a good movie without Pixar now. The last great one I remember was The Lion King."

 

However, while on the topic, The Lion King is generally considered a ripoff of Kimba the White Lion.

 

A more qualified otaku could probably shed a brighter light on that.

 

Excellent post, Rando. I had a chance to take an internship like the one you described, but the distance, my unwillingness to leave my state, and hatred of the current soul-sucking Disney didnt make it sound too inviting.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I don't get the Hunchback hate. Sure, it's been fluffed up with Jason Alexander and a more modest Quasimodo, but the presence of creepy pseudo-occult scenes and Tony Jay playing a villain pretty much redeems it.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Treasure Planet was stupid anyway.

[Guest NANIWA*]

Speaking of The Lion King, I found The Lion King 1 & 1/2 to be fairly good and enjoyable for a straight to video Disney release. The animation was done quite well, and the movie was fairly funny, which is what you would expect from a movie focusing around two comedic sidekicks. Overall, a nice job done by Disney and the actors voicing the characters...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Excellent post, Rando. I had a chance to take an internship like the one you described, but the distance, my unwillingness to leave my state, and hatred of the current soul-sucking Disney didnt make it sound too inviting.

I actually really enjoyed the work experience. My co-workers were great, my bosses were excellent...and spending my days off roaming around the parks looking for shit I hadn't seen or done was always fun.

 

The saddest thing I found is that Disney charges $2.50 for a 20 oz. bottle of Coke (or like product) when, because of sponsorship of attractions and restaurants, Disney gets all their Coke products FREE from the company anyway. So every time you buy a Coke, it's ALL profit for Disney.

 

I worked in a restaurant sponsored by Coca-Cola as well...a nice little place, albeit the costumes (not mine - i'm custodial) were voted Worst On Property. They are seriously ugly. I wish I had a picture.

 

Other than that...I cherish the time I had there...and god bless The Electric Umbrella (the restaurant)

 

My favorite question - "what the hell is an electric umbrella?" i have no idea either.

[AndrewTS 0]

"My favorite question - 'what the hell is an electric umbrella?' i have no idea either. "

 

A poorly-planned suicide device?

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Not sure how well that works with Disney.... but then again...

 

 

EDIT: I would like to put forth that I should be proclaimed "Official Disney Theme Park Mark of TSM" ...not that prestigious of a title...but it's something.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

Right now the only thing Disney has going for it is the fact that they have the rights to the Ghibli movies and when they release Nausicaa the <The Rock>MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NAUSICAA'S FANS</The Rock> will be giving them quite a bit of money. Myself included. Ah well ,maybe not millions in the States. But that is among the greatest things ever animated, period.

Uhm, what exactly does that mean?

 

What's a Ghibli?

Studio Ghibli is the best anime studio in Japan. Disney has the distribution rights for every place outside of Japan. Their last movie was Spirited Away, if you recall that one.

[AndrewTS 0]

Not sure how well that works with Disney.... but then again...

 

 

EDIT: I would like to put forth that I should be proclaimed "Official Disney Theme Park Mark of TSM" ...not that prestigious of a title...but it's something.

heheh, go for it.

 

So basically, your internship can be summed up "Evil Corporation; good people?"

 

Walt's ghost should haunt Eisner every night of his miserable existence.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Yes. The people were great. I was never so happy to go to work, knowing I was going to meet new people. While the job never changed, the specifics did.

 

I had a family thank me personally for helping them out A MONTH prior when I answered about 3 dozen questions for them about dinner reservations, what shows they should see, any hidden fun in the parks that alot of people don't know about, shit like that... I answered them all as best I could...and nearly a month later they all came back and told me thank you...

 

That moment will never leave me. I was shocked and yet extremely overwhelmed by it.

 

 

on a related note, during the Disney World 25th Anniversary, Bryan McKnight recorded a song called "Remember The Magic" for use in parades and in promotional materials, etc.... that song sums up my feelings for Disney. It's a beautiful song and the message of it is what I wish the company's mission REALLY was, instead of what they spout out.

 

Remember the times.

Remember the feelings.

Remember the magic.

 

 

and I do.

 

i'm such a softie.

 

(hell...i could always post a college paper i wrote based on nearly the same subject...i'm sure it's on this computer somewhere) ...if anybody really gave a shit.

[AndrewTS 0]

"on a related note, during the Disney World 25th Anniversary, Bryan McKnight recorded a song called "Remember The Magic" for use in parades and in promotional materials, etc.... that song sums up my feelings for Disney. It's a beautiful song and the message of it is what I wish the company's mission REALLY was, instead of what they spout out.

 

Remember the times.

Remember the feelings.

Remember the magic."

 

What's the official mission that they "spout out," incidentally? I know you basically said the gist of it above, but I wonder how they sugar-coat it and dress it up.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I have seen it and read it, on park property ... but I can NOT find it online anywhere. I wish I could find it but I have scoured Disney's website and I can't find anything that resembles their mission statement.

[Guest Anglesault]

Right now the only thing Disney has going for it is the fact that they have the rights to the Ghibli movies and when they release Nausicaa the <The Rock>MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NAUSICAA'S FANS</The Rock> will be giving them quite a bit of money. Myself included. Ah well ,maybe not millions in the States. But that is among the greatest things ever animated, period.

Uhm, what exactly does that mean?

 

What's a Ghibli?

Studio Ghibli is the best anime studio in Japan. Disney has the distribution rights for every place outside of Japan. Their last movie was Spirited Away, if you recall that one.

I'm not really a big fan of anime, actually.

 

I'm not sure how to describe it, but it just seems to "choppy" to me. Like I've seen anime (And this could very well be just a very bad type) where a character could go from completely calm to all the the air and pissed off and whatnot without the cartoon actually showing the character jump in the air.