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I think I've figured out why we get no credit for disagreeing with the President. Just about all the tings we disagree with him on are thing on which he is being too liberal. In other words, Bush's domestic policy is not conservative enough. Domestically he's tried to play the center to take votes and issues away from the Dems.

 

Why would a liberal who thinks Bush is the devil give someone credit for thinking Bush is too liberal?

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Does anyone disagree w/ the various solutions I stated?

 

What about this one?

 

Raise the cost of all beers, juices, sodas, and bottled waters by $1 a bottle, as well as six packs and twelve packs. Do away with cans.

 

as soon as you finish a bottle, return it to get your dollar back.

 

It's done in Denmark and they have a 99% return rate for their bottles. Those things get ~33 uses before they have to be recycled. It's because they make plastic bottles that LAST, and are lighter than glass. They're allowed at games because they don't break, and don't get more than a bit scratched.

 

It's better than recycling because the natural order of conservation goes reduce, reuse, recycle. Granted liquid containers are only like 3% of our trash every year, but hey, that's 3% gone, for no net loss of money to anyone. It's good for the environment and so on.

 

 

*EDIT* It's just like the current five cent return policy in some states now (the cost of the drink is raised a bit so that you can get a bit when you return it) but the amount is negligible. If it were raised to the cost of the soda, you can bet people would return their bottles */EDIT*

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Does anyone disagree w/ the various solutions I stated?

I disagree with the government subsidizing this.

 

 

What about this one?

 

Raise the cost of all beers, juices, sodas, and bottled waters by $1 a bottle, as well as six packs and twelve packs.  Do away with cans.

 

Do we really need to raise the cost of beer anymore? A large portion of the price is already taxes, so called "sin" taxes. This would just potentially discourage people from drinking water, soda, beer or put a hell of a lot more money in the Gov't's pockets, which leads me to this....

 

as soon as you finish a bottle, return it to get your dollar back.

 

How many people buy a drink, drink it in the same place they bought it, and return it there? Very, very, very few. I'll elaborate later in this post.

 

It's done in Denmark and they have a 99% return rate for their bottles.  Those things get ~33 uses before they have to be recycled.  It's because they make plastic bottles that LAST, and are lighter than glass.  They're allowed at games because they don't break, and don't get more than a bit scratched.

 

If Denark told you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge would you?

 

It's better than recycling because the natural order of conservation goes reduce, reuse, recycle.  Granted liquid containers are only like 3% of our trash every year, but hey, that's 3% gone, for no net loss of money to anyone.  It's good for the environment and so on.

 

The natural order of Some Guy's conservation goes like this: Drive 25 miles to New Hampshire where they have lower taxes (no sales tax) and no deposit law buy beer (a month's worth or so), drive 25 miles home drink said months worth of beer over the course of the month, then return the empties to the reemption center where I make 5 cents per can. I still recycle, but the way I look at it is that Massachusetts pays for my gas to drive to a state that has better sense then to tax the shit out their citizens and impose a dumbass deposit law. You know what, I'd recycle the cans without the law, but don't expect me or anyone to want to pay an extra dollar as incentive to do so. What if you loose the bottle? What if someone steals it from you? I'm being semi-serious. There are already trash pickers who go arounda dn dig bottles and cans out to make a nickel a piece. They might not steel for a nickel but for a dollar? Maybe.

 

*EDIT* It's just like the current five cent return policy in some states now (the cost of the drink is raised a bit so that you can get a bit when you return it) but the amount is negligible.  If it were raised to the cost of the soda, you can bet people would return their bottles */EDIT*

 

And you know what? It doesn't work. The return rate is very low. I'm pretty sure a bunch of people don't even realize that they can reclaim the extra $1.50 they spend for each 30 pack of Bud and most that do, just don't care. You're talking about increasing the cost of a 30 pack by $30! That's fucking insane. Actually I wish that Mass. would do that, it would mean that the state would start paying my car loan off when I return my NH purchased beer here.

 

Another big problem with depsosit laws is that they really hurt businesses. The state taxes the deposits and bottles/cans are not always returned to where they were purchased (I've seen trashpickers return multiple garbage bags full of cans to Kappy's [a big liquor store in Medford]) and the state doesn't provide the machines or people to collect these bottles/cans. Oh yeah, cans and bottles always have something left in them and that spills on the floor of the store that is forcedby law to accept them and that causes a mess and insect problems. Incase you were wondering the state doesn't pick up the tab on that either. So basically because of this wonderful law, stores are not only taxed on the depsosits they collect and are expected to return (so they lose money out of the shoot), they are also forced to provide a means for theses bottles/cans to be returned and clean up the fucking mess. Good idea!

 

EDIT: In fairness to MA this was voted on democratically by the people of the state, people just like you who see a good idea in theory, fail to think it out and then neglect the consquences of their actions on real people, all the while doing very little to help the environment that love so much.

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