I'm close to giving up on WWE forever...

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I've been a lifelong WWE/WCW/NWA/ECW/GWF/CZW fan, I love the sport, and everything associated with it.

 

I always dug the cool heels, the talented performers, the better mic workers, and even when my boy Jericho was jobbing to Alex Wright, Benoit was passing out to Meng, and Jeff Jarrett was wiping out Malenko, I still was optimistic.

 

The WWE became so popular in the late 90's and I was so happy to get to share my enjoyment with all the mainstream, new fans.

 

I've put up with the shitty WWE product of 2001-2003 and had to endure a failed WCW/ECW Invasion, Triple H's super awful title reign, Goldberg, lack of Cruiserweights, ridiculous storylines, Bischoff's return to annoy me, and the vanilla boring overpushed suck-ass no-talents that OVW has produced (minus a few exceptions).

 

On Monday, RAW was on. A ton of my friends were over, and even 1st time viewers got generally hyped up for BENOIT Vs. MICHAELS.

 

Raw was a good show. The main event sucked. Not only did HBK/Benoit wrestled a significantly poorer effort than they did in the 1st match, as well as BOTH triple threats, but the match was only serving one purpose: Destroy Benoit's credibility, and establish that Triple H runs the show, and can make it so anyone wins, as he sees fit.

 

Fuck Raw.

 

Reading the Smackdown! spoilers, I feel like the WWE is purposely trying to out-do Vince Russo's 99-2000 WCW as the biggest joke and parody of carnival, bogus, bullshit, "fuck you fans!" wrestling ever. I won't spoil anything, but I think you know what I'm talking about.

 

Why should I continue to waste my money and be a fan?

 

The house shows are boring/unimportant.

Benoit's GOT the belt. Anything from here on will dissapoint me leading to him losing it.

I got to see Eddie win the belt.

Cruiserweights are unpushed and are a joke.

BRADSHAW is main eventing.

HBK/HHH are still as homoesexually unappealing as ever, and they're "feud" has been boring forever.

Lawler/Ross suck.

Cole sucks.

The whole business is practically exposed.

I feel embarassed to watch wrestling with my friends.

 

EMBARASSED.

 

Thanks, WWE.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Can't say I blame ya.

[Guest Y2G]

Why should I continue to waste my money and be a fan?

 

The house shows are boring/unimportant - That might very well be, But it shouldn't stop you from watching the TV product.

 

Benoit's GOT the belt. Anything from here on will dissapoint me leading to him losing it - If he loses it to Y2J i guess it could be interesting and a little smarkily rewarding :-)

 

I got to see Eddie win the belt - I enjoy every day that passes and he still got it. Just think about it, Until Angle comes back, Who's gonna take it away from Eddie?

 

Cruiserweights are unpushed and are a joke - I half agree. Chavo is doing a good job though.

 

BRADSHAW is main eventing - Agreed, This is pure stupidity!

 

HBK/HHH are still as homoesexually unappealing as ever, and they're "feud" has been boring forever - Maybe it will be over in the next PPV. If not, you can always use these 20 minutes HHH promos to make a sandwich, go to the bath room etc. :-)

 

Lawler/Ross suck - They always did...

Cole sucks - he always did... Here, at least, you got Tazz :-)

 

The whole business is practically exposed - I'm not sure i get it... You mean that too many smarks are roaming the web? That would be a good thing no?

 

I feel embarassed to watch wrestling with my friends - BIG mistake. Never be embarressed. You did not make bradshaw a main eventer. they did...

 

With that being said, I share your concerns as for the creative impotancy that is demonstrated (Mainly on SD!). I think they need to really "Shake things up" like Vince likes to say. Not just as part of a story line.

 

Anyway, these are my 2 cents.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I can't say that I disagree with your post, but I can't say that I fully agree with your points, either. But there is one thing that I need to comment on:

 

... the match was only serving one purpose: Destroy Benoit's credibility, and establish that Triple H runs the show, and can make it so anyone wins, as he sees fit.

 

Do you really think that's the truth? That the WWE decided to intentionally destroy the credibility of the person that they've built the last 5-6 monhts of storylines around? Even HHH, in all his self-serving glory, didn't do the run in to 'destroy' anyone's credibility. It set up the next few weeks of storylines, and then one of the big 'money matches' of the next PPV. To say that it was done purely to screw over Benoit is a farce.

[Guest Trivia247]

try being a fan of the WWF since 86 have having undying hope of improvement rocking back and forth drooling hugging a Wrestling buddy going..

 

It will get better it will get better.......

[haVoc 0]

I don't agree with this.

 

The main event sucked. Not only did HBK/Benoit wrestled a significantly poorer effort than they did in the 1st match, as well as BOTH triple threats

 

That match didn't "suck." Those two were doing just fine until the ending and I don't get the "poorer effort" comment. First, I liked this match more then their first one. Second, they were working hard in there and they were trying to work a different match from the all the others.

[chaosrage 0]

If you think the main event of RAW sucked, then I don't guess there's any reason for you to stay.

 

How did it "destroy Benoit's credibility" though? Where did that come from?

[Guest duck420]

im going to boycott buying their merchandise and ppvs except when benoit is main eventing(sorry eddie i love you but your one match is not enough to justify $40) i will watch free tv but i refuse to accept garbage as a long time customer. i spend money so wwe should cater to my wants and needs not tell me what i fucking like. i used to buy every single ppv a month plus tna. now its just not worth it.

[Guest Hot Ticket]

count one more suckling SK's teat

 

If you dont like it, dont watch it. Complain but that really isnt getting you anywhere. Complain about reasonble stuff atleast. To hear one complaint about HHH is so over the top. he's won 1 match this year? Two? his awful title reign did better than the guys on Smackdown! and it ended with Benoit winning. How horrible HHH is to put over guys who dont suck. He should have went down to axe kick, five star botch splash, and chokeslam because then 2003 would have ben even better with NO direction and everyone even stevens.

 

HBK/HHH are still as homoesexually unappealing as ever, and they're "feud" has been boring forever.

atleast this long feud has produced good matches about 4/5 of the time or more. Brock/Angle and edge/regal were long and had much worse matches

 

Benoit's GOT the belt. Anything from here on will dissapoint me leading to him losing it.

I got to see Eddie win the belt.

if this dpends on you watching or not then you being some sort of diehard fan is bullshit. You dont love wrestling. You just love certain things and when they dont go your way you use them as ammo against Vince and try to say your a lifelong diehard fan.

 

Giving up on WWE? good. w/out idiots like you maybe HHH, Bradshaw, UT, and JR would stop badmouthing the internet.

[Guest Trivia247]

then comes to what would be your alternative?

 

10 bucks a week for TNA might sound like a bargain until a few months go by

 

Drive around the country to watch Indi shows, or hope your local tv shows regional wrestling...

 

or either get a dish that plays japanese tv or have a paypal account devoted for Japanese tapes.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

No one should beg you to stay. We can't tell you why you should like it. I've been watching since like 83 and while there are things I hate, there are things I like. In the last few months I got to see Eddie and Benoit win the world title at right around the same time. Something I never ever thought I'd see. The ending of WM20 with Guerrero and Benoit in the center of the ring will go down as one of my favorite wrestling moments of all time. You can go back through any of the eras and find stuff that sucked. If you can't find something that you enjoy then why even stick around and watch? You have net access and it sounds like you have friends who follow wrestling. Why not stop watching completely until you hear that things are getting good?

[Guest Trivia247]

No one should beg you to stay. We can't tell you why you should like it. I've been watching since like 83 and while there are things I hate, there are things I like. In the last few months I got to see Eddie and Benoit win the world title at right around the same time. Something I never ever thought I'd see. The ending of WM20 with Guerrero and Benoit in the center of the ring will go down as one of my favorite wrestling moments of all time. You can go back through any of the eras and find stuff that sucked. If you can't find something that you enjoy then why even stick around and watch? You have net access and it sounds like you have friends who follow wrestling. Why not stop watching completely until you hear that things are getting good?

Excellent point there...

 

just when you think the WWE is gone to hell

 

there is Benoit and Guerrero at WM 20 both World champions

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'm close to giving up reading stupid threads about WWE sucking, when it actually hasn't for a change.

[Guest Trivia247]

I'm close to giving up reading stupid threads about WWE sucking, when it actually hasn't for a change.

another good point... things just flip flop which would be the critisim of them.

 

Raw was abyssal and Smackdown was the jewel..now Raw is good and Smackdown is getting substandard

 

but come on its not as if the WWE didn't have its bad days

[Enigma 0]

I see Scott Keith has joined the board.

[Papacita 0]

Keith's been pretty positive about the product lately...well, for Raw anyway.

 

As far as them intentionally trying to kill Benoit's credibility, let's not forget that this was ONE MATCH! In the past few months, he's won the Rumble and made both HHH and HBK tap cleanly. He's been built up strongly and this one little match won't kill him. Wait to see how they follow up on the match before you complain about it.

[cawthon777 0]

Why should I continue to waste my money and be a fan?

Because then you won't be able to relate to the other annoyingly critical posts on this board ...?

 

Or were you being rhetorical?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I've been as hard as anyone on the WWF but why would you give up now? This past Raw was probably one of the best since early Invasion days and Raw at least has maintained a consistent level of quality. Granted Smackdown sucks but Raw seems to have things pretty together.

[haVoc 0]

It's pretty simple. If you don't like the product don't buy it. Judgment Day will probably be the first PPV I skip since 2000.

 

But I'm loving Raw and can't wait for Badd Blood.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

RAW's the best it has been in 3 and 1/2 years, so quit complaining. Benoit is not being buried.

 

If you want to watch bad RAWs, head back to 1999. Man those stunk.

[Downhome 0]

I'm close to giving up reading stupid threads about WWE sucking, when it actually hasn't for a change.

I was going to say something damn near close to that.

 

I've enjoyed WWE as a whole in 2004 more than I have in years. It's been a hell of a year so far, a year that we could only DREAM about before now.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Honestly, I never understood posts/thread's like this. It's like what do you want us to do, convince you to continue watching? Hell, I'm just as annoyed with the current product as the next guy and I've felt this way for a long time too. But I can always at least find something that I like about the product. RAW has become quite an entertaining (although match quality still isn't anything to write home about) show, with angle's that actually futher a storyline, and even though SD has become god awful they still have Eddie as their champion. I just don't see the point in totally quit watching all together though. Wrestling as a product is always up and down with it's quality, it's just the way it is. If you've been a wrestling fan for years like most of us here then you would just watch the progam and if it's not up to par you watch other wrestling companies to get your "wrestling" fix.

[razazteca 0]

The only thing bad with Raw is the poor-2-laughable bad acting by the Divas..........never do a scene with a Diva crying in disstress! Outside of that Raw has been a good show.

[Downhome 0]

The only thing bad with Raw is the poor-2-laughable bad acting by the Divas..........never do a scene with a Diva crying in disstress! Outside of that Raw has been a good show.

Exactly. I've loved RAW from top to bottom except for the "dramatic" storylines like Lita/Kane. It's one thing to have something where Kane wants Lita for his own, and it's another to present what they have been putting on TV.

 

That Kane/Lita/Hardy segment on RAW was one of the worst ever in my opinion.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

The problem I see with a lot of people is that they have no-one to root for any more. Throughout my time as a fan the thing that made you watch in the bad times was the promise that a talented wrestler you liked (for whatever reason) would get pushed and win a title etc. But there is no-one to get behind now. What was was close to the 'Lost generation' getting, well, lost has now not happened - Jericho got the world title, and look at Eddie and Benoit now. Mission accomplished. This usually wouldn't be a problem, but there is no-one back in the mid-card now to get behind - its a mixture of factors not helped with poor writing and WWE not knowing how to push a guy slowly enough these days.

[Guest Y2G]

Uhmm...

 

Maybe you'd like to read two articles that talks about (In general) disapointment with WWE. Each one is a different way of looking at it:

 

1. Jeb lund complains

2. Rick Scaia retorts

 

I found them interesting.

[haVoc 0]

RAW has become quite an entertaining (although match quality still isn't anything to write home about)

The 6 man and title match wasn't good enough for TV matches?

[AndrewTS 0]

"count one more suckling SK's teat"

 

Keith's loved the last several Raws, so I don't know what that's referring to.

 

Yeah, HHH ran in, because he's, you know, the top heel on Raw and wants the title back. Big shock there. WWE's been pushing Benoit hard, and he's got two freakin' titles now. I fail to see how it's all about HBK and HHH right now.

 

If HHH-HBK's rumored match takes place and gets almost all of the advertising and TV buildup, then I'll agree. Right now, though, I fail to see why some one would pick now of all times to bitch about Raw.

 

Smackdown, though, is hopeless right now.

 

The only thing bad with Raw is the poor-2-laughable bad acting by the Divas..........never do a scene with a Diva crying in disstress!

 

Not just Raw--WWE in general. Lita's a better actress than Torrie, at least.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

If anything, I give props for WWE getting things together on RAW.

 

 

In 2003, the MAIN Challengers for the World Title were SCOTT STEINER, KEVIN NASH, GOLDBERG, and Booker T for about a month.

 

The undercard was complete crap, with non-stop pushes of people like Test, and completely retarded "pushes" for Goldust & Lance Storm.

 

Eric Bischoff vs. Jim Ross was a big feud for some reason, and Jerry Lawler was wrestling for a title.

 

Shane McMahon was Super-McMahon, destroying a potential main eventer in Kane, and generally ruining any hopes of new challengers for HHH/Goldbergs title.

 

 

 

Smackdown, on the other hand, I don't watch because you know, I have a brain. I don't need to start threads "Blah blah I'm not watching, you should care about what I do". If something looks good, I'll press record and scan through later. If not, no skin off my ass.

 

I hate to say this, but Smackdown was BETTER with Brock Lesnar, and this is coming from a non-Brock fan.

[razazteca 0]

WWE should stop trying to do day time soap angles with the Divas. It did not work with Trish/Jericho/Christian nor did it work with the Steiner/Test/Stacy sex slave angle because there is always a person who cannot act that ruins it. Trish & Lita crying on camera was the worst acting I have seem on tv period......and I have seen several novelas on the spanish channels.