The one and only backlash thread

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

Dammit, where was Regal?!

Him stiffing the shit out of some unlucky opponent usually makes my ppv!

 

Razor/Justin sucked, 'Taker/Austin sucked and HHH/HHH sucked.

I hate Triple H and was wanting him to lose during the match, but as soon as the 3 count was up and the bell rang, I thought "WTF?!"

Before the match I was hoping HHH and HHH would both lose by 24/7 being declared for one match only and Jericho or Angle or La Parka or anyone good running in and winning the belt!

[Guest alfdogg]

For the two losers who say they'll never watch again, you're a smark, you'll always watch. Just like when you say you'll leave your bitch of a girlfriend but never do because you love her so much. Same here.

I can't believe I'm saying this...but I AGREE with you.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I would've said Snuka was the first Frog Splash that I had seen. It isn't really a Frog Splash, but every splash nowadays is called a Frog Splash.

[Guest papacita]

During the RVD - Eddie G. match did anyone catch when King asked JR who was the first person he saw do a frog splash in the WWF (implying Eddie)? Jr answered with D-Lo I was glad to hear JR calling it like it is.

I may be wrong about this, but didn't RVD do his 97 promotion jump BEFORE D-Lo wrestled his 1st WWF match? Oh well, at least D-Lo got some mention.

[Guest Some Guy]

"Hogan is over, but that does not translate into drawing money. Hogan is always over when he first enters a company, and usually the bookers think this translates into giving him the title, and it always backfires when he losses his drawing ability, yet stays in power and ultimately hurts the company. People only remember the good of Hogan, such as his fame in the 80's and the NWO, while refusing to remember him nearly killing the WWF in the 90's and actually killing WCW in 2000. It always starts out as "just one more time" and "he's going to retire right after this" but it never ends that way, and Hogan has already proved that time and time again. This will hurt the company, and that's the bottom line."

 

Uh, do you think if Hogan balks at dropping the belt that Vince would hessitate for one second to screw him?  Hogan is over and drawing right now, whether he will be in 3 months is anothe question.  Why shouldn't Vince play his hot hand?  Hogan will draw for a little while and Vince will get the belt off of him when he stops drawing.  Everyone bitched about HHH, me included.  "He isn't over" was the biggest bitch, well now they have a champ who *IS* over, maybe it's time to stop bitching for a few minutes, sit back and see what happens.  What a novel idea.  Maybe, just maybe it'll work out in the end, it ussually does.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

In all honesty, here are my thoughts on some of the Backlash matches... I'm trying to be as constructive as I can.

 

1) Tajiri vs. Billy Kidman - Lawler ruins another match.  Get this guy the HELL off commentary... if you care that much about seeing breasts go buy a porno and stay in your hotel room the whole night.  Also, the comment about Tajiri "wasting his money by opening a tall person's store in Tokyo" and the geisha comments were tasteless and bothered me (I mean, why doesn't Lawler show up tomorrow in one of those Abercrombie & Fitch shirts while he's at it?).  Match was good though.  Apparently now YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB TAJIRI OR KIDMAN~!

 

2) Jazz vs. Trish - Lawler ruins another match (pt. II).  Thank God they didn't put the belt on Trish again... am I the only one sick of seeing Jazz and Trish matches? Sure, they're both very good workers and they do put on some good matches, but Molly has shown she is more than willing to step up to the plate.  At least make it a Triple Threat or something...

 

3) Jeff Hardy vs. The Brock - What did Jeff Hardy do to deserve this? I love it! And I agree with the people who said Lita actually looked good for once... I think it was because there were no good views of her face.  Having the KO/match stopped ending was a brilliant touch.

 

4) Billy & Chuck with Rico vs. Al Snow and Maven - Rico rules.  Seriously, he has made Billy & Chuck my new favorite guilty pleasure.  The guy is legitimately entertaining, knows how to work the crowd and a match (at least interference-wise ), and is stylin' and profilin'... I love this guy! Also, Maven doubled his moveset! There may be hope for him yet! I was so worried the "TE2 Street Team" were going to take the belts in the name of promotion...

 

5) Hogan wins?! NOOOOOOO! The saddest thing was the backstage stuff I thought was just rumor became painfully obvious when Jericho AND Undertaker were required to interfere against both sides to insure that neither Hogan or Trips had to job cleanly.  That's just sad...

 

6) Edge vs. Angle, RVD vs. Eddie - These tied for match of the night.  I was really impressed with how well Angle carried Edge, and the match had a lot of close calls that were worth legitimate heat and excitement.  What's up with Edge kicking out of the Angle Slam? To please Anglesault though, there were no Spears that I could remember... heh... as for Eddie vs. RVD, that was a very solid match, nothing in particular stands out, but I'm not so sure putting the belt on Eddie right away is the best solution (although someone said it best a few days ago when they said the WWF doesn't know how to revolve feuds around belts without having the belts switch hands a dozen times).  Maybe JR's mentioning of D'Lo Brown means something for Brown's eminent return though...

 

7) Scott Hall vs. Bradshaw / Austin vs. Taker - Not really worth mentioning.  Flair's officiating is horrible, even if it was supposed to be that way.  As for the matches themselves, they're just not interesting... the same would go for Hogan vs. HHH if the interference/ego/personal bias towards the new champion hadn't happened to give me something to bitch about.

 

I think I covered everything? Overall the show was OK.  Best show of the year in my opinion is still Royal Rumble.

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

But where was Regal stiffing the shit out of Spike?

I read that it was announced, and when it didn't happen on the ppv I assumed that it happened on Heat (which I didn't see, living in Britain)

but since then I read that it wasn't on heat.

WHERE'S MY REGAL!!!

[Guest evenflowDDT]

But where was Regal stiffing the shit out of Spike?

I read that it was announced, and when it didn't happen on the ppv I assumed that it happened on Heat (which I didn't see, living in Britain)

but since then I read that it wasn't on heat.

WHERE'S MY REGAL!!!

DrWrestlingPhysics, I guess it was on HeAT... I also missed HeAT because of my living on the west coast, which caused the PPV's first broadcast and HeAT to overlap (sadly, I did not change the channel to MTV... I probably would've seen a better workrate though).  May I ask a question? Since you live in Britain, do you really stay up until 1AM or something to watch a PPV?

[Guest papacita]

No Regal, but Raven talked a lot and we got to see Big Show squash Aldo Montoya and Big Stevie Cool

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

DrWrestlingPhysics, I guess it was on HeAT... I also missed HeAT because of my living on the west coast, which caused the PPV's first broadcast and HeAT to overlap (sadly, I did not change the channel to MTV... I probably would've seen a better workrate though).  May I ask a question? Since you live in Britain, do you really stay up until 1AM or something to watch a PPV?

Damn right I do!

 

I get some friends round, drink some beer and watch the ppv.

Being a student I can get away with sleeping in all of Monday!

 

This usually means I get a strange view of the matches as I am usually a mixture of tired and drunk, but even in this state, Hall/Bradshaw sucked and Ric Flair, work or not, was the worst referee EVER!

[Guest RedJed]

Saw this post just now so I'll cut and paste from another one.....

 

Well this was a surprising ppv, for sure. The undercard was head and shoulders better than a WWF undercard in a long time. The worst match to me though was Taker-Austin, which really surprised me. I didn't expect 5 stars from them, but not how bad it was either.

 

They started off the show right with the CW match. Perfect way to start the SD shows every week, in fact if you ask me. This is a good way to get the division going because the fans will be satisfied to start (assuming the match is good which they usually are) and it's always good to start a show on a good note. Crowd was into the match hard, and both guys busted it. Great reversals and nearfalls, all done in a 10 minute match. Finish was unexpected too with the mist. I think there's hope for the CW division after this....Vince had to notice the action was good and more importantly, the fans ate it all up. *** 1/2

 

Bradshaw and Hall was ok, but I think this was Bradshaw's match to run with it and take it to a whole new level and whether it was booking or his own performance hindering it, his chance fell flat. It was a nice touch to see Farrooq back with him, and it makes me think it would be smart (especially after seeing this whole Bradshaw singles push fall on its ass) to trade Farrooq over to Raw so they can rejoin up and feud with the NWO. Positive to this match was it was fast at least ** 1/2

 

The womens matches continue to get better as Trish-Jazz was pretty darn quality in this sense. Some good bigtime moves from both. Trish is really surprising me how she is working lately. I didn't see the finish coming though, but thats not a bad thing really considering what it was (a credible submission). I think they will have one more match or three way at the next ppv with Molly., and Trish will finally get the belt after this extended chase. *** (In a women's match scale, keep in mind)

 

Brock and Jeff was also good for what it was. Perfectly acceptable story with Jeff trying to fight off the power moves of Lesnar. I liked the finish with a TKO type of deal going on, it gets over the character as a guy who just wants to hurt people more than anything. Only real negative is that Jeff should have sold the shit more and done a stretcher job if he's going to lose by "ref's decision." Instead we saw him walking up the rampway about 30 seconds later. ** 3/4

 

Angle and Edge was VERY good stuff. I was pretty much into the match from start to finish, even if the buildup was weak leading up to this one. This was easily Edge's best singles match of his career, IMO. Just the kind of match that will help him even though he lost......kind of put over that he was just "that" close to beating Angle. Angle took the nastiest bump of the year in US wrestling off a german, landing almost flat on his head. I'm really looking forward to this feud continuing, and I think Edge really has a strong chance of being main event material after this feud is over with. ****

 

Jericho promo just pretty much made sure we all expected him to show up in the ME one way or another. Thank goodness it was made relatively short. Why can't they do this on the TV shows dammit?

 

RVD and Guererro wasn't as good as I thought it should be or could be, but it still was above average. Two problems...and I think the WWF does this alot (for some stupid reason) but I think they give them restrictions on what to do in matches, perhaps in thinking future rematches will look better(?). I was expecting more high risk moves here, and there was hardly any. Van Dam seemed really not himself from a workrate perspective either, moving REALLY slow at times. I don't know if he was pissed he was going to job or what. This was a match that probably should have been planned out better overall.......saw a lot of jabbering back and forth between them, so I'm assuming they were planning out the bout as they went. Anyway I'm sure future matches will be better, and I'm sure they won't end this feud yet. Decent way to start out this dream feud though, don't get me wrong, the match didn't suck at all really, it just gave a taste of what these two could do I think......if they added D-Lo to the mix down the road in this feud, I would definately mark ***

 

Now here came clearly the low point of the show......watching a slow plodding, sloppy, and relitively heat-less match from Taker and Austin. Flair's presence here didn't hurt nor help the match really, plus add he was looking right when Austin was putting his foot on the ropes for the finish (then replayed it over and over without the announcers even commenting on this) and the execution of this one overall was f'n about as bad as you can get. There was no psychology here really either, just alot of punch-kick-occasional trademark move into a resthold. Did this over and over. And WTF was the NWO doing there? That made NO SENSE at all. Completely riduculous to give these guys 30 minutes too. I hope both guys get their asses chewed by Vince for phoning in their work in this one, Austin especially, who looked like complete crap in the ring. Nothing went right here, but at least neither blew up in the ring too bad so they deserve something I guess. *

 

Tag title match was too short.....if it wasn't for the previous sh*t, more could have been added to this one and overall it would have been better for sure. It had the outline of a quality bout, but they had to rush everything since they were short on time. Maven was just fine working in the ring, and I was hoping to see a title change (got the impression the fans really wanted it too). Let this feud continue and next time give them some freaking time! Decent little match though, pretty much a match that would keep your interest even on SD or Raw. ** 3/4

 

And then the ME......well it kept my interest going, even though it was a rather slow affair thanks to Hogan. HHH worked well in a playing his role to the match sense, since he brought back his "cerebral assasin" moniker kind of back by really concentrating on Hogan's knee. I didn't expect any decent psychology in the match, so this was nice. The trademark tests of strength were nice too in a nostalgia sense, you don't see that often anymore in matches. Match did start to really lose heat though until the run-ins happened, which brought it back up. I was shocked as hell that they gave Hogan the belt..........damn! I also hate to admit this, but I marked like I was a 10 year old Hulkamaniac again (shoot me know please lol). Hell, it's just for a transitional deal and the story that it was his one last chance to make a mark in his career, so the story sold me. More I think about it, it's probably smarter to do this now than later so they can draw a little bit of fan appeal and such from Hogan, since if they do it down the road there's no guarantee it would draw a dime. I fully expect the belt off him by next ppv though, and I would imagine by years end the nostalgia value will be worn off completely. Even saw somewhat of a less than crazy response for Hogan tonight, so that may be an indication that it is going to slowly ware off here. Match itself for workrate sucked, but again, much like Rock-Hogn, the whole oldschool nostalgia of the Hogan factor in a WWF big match made it at least memorable. *** 1/4

 

I thought it would have been great for HHH to heel turn though at the end there though, he looked badass with the crimson mask there.

 

Next ppv I would assume will be somewhat loaded with probably a fatal four way with Jericho, Taker, HHH, and Hogan. If they go with Hogan-Taker, they are nuts. It's not going to draw much really I think. Plus when you consider how the run-ins were booked in the main event, unless they had a retard booking it (which may have been the case, you never know these days) it would seem to indicate HHH has major beef with Taker, and no issue could be resolved there unless they do a four way here. Pretty much everyone had beef with everyone here at the end when you think about it. We also might see an Austin-Flair match too, or then again they might save that for KOTR.

 

Overall I enjoyed the show more than Mania for sure. The Taker-Austin affair really burned off what I thought was going to be one of the better ppvs in a long time though. About a B+ for this one.......it's really reassuring or something though to see such a strong undercard for once.

[Guest Eric the Eagle]

Hey, DrWrestlingPhysics! Nice to know other people get almost as little slep as I do PPV nights... Of course, I live in Norway so I got you beat by an hour, but still... (and all that not to watch the PPV, but to follow the play-by-plays... damn...)

[Guest Wonderboy]

I would give my match by match thoughts, but I figure two things.. One, nobody would read them, and two, my LESBIAN KISSING porn on Kazaa just finished, so I'll just mention the important stuff.

 

Tajiri vs. Kidman should prove to McMahon that the people DO care about cruisers when they put on good matches. Kidman had ZERO heat when the match started, but by the end, they were chanting his name.

 

I always laugh when Scott Hall throws the toothpick in the guy's face, then fake-laughs and slaps his knee. I dunno why.

 

Molly is WITHOUT A DOUBT the hottest girl in the WWF.

 

The Brock/Jeff match was a big letdown.

 

Kurt Angle's boots kickass. Match of the night with Edge. And that german suplex where Angle landed on his Olympic head made me cringe, seeing as whenever the WWF holds a PPV at Kemper Arena with Undertaker/Austin on the card, I'm already a LITTLE tense.

 

"2. I'm just getting online and haven't looked through this thread yet, so if somebody already mentioned this, I'm sorry, but did anybody else think that JR killed that RVD/Eddy match? Not that it was all that good anyway, but he called RVD's highspots like he was dead or something." ... I noticed that too. Even Widro at 411 said something like, "It's obvious in JR's commentary that he hates RVD". It was VERY obvious, seeing as at the beginning of the show, JR atleast sounded interested, but from this match on, he sounded so bored. Anyway, this was the most disappointing match of the year in my opinion. Eddie looked bored. RVD was just plain deadweight 4 minutes in, and JR's commentary didn't help things. I'd say the match was pretty crappy actually. I expect MUCH more outta those two, especially Eddie.

 

Taker/Austin was actually pretty good until they started brawling, then all hell broke loose. It was just pure torture after that. And as good as Flair is as a wrestler, he's that bad as a ref. The people actually booed his counts. Austin's worst match ever sure isn't a stretch.

 

I also think Rico rules.

 

WHATCHA GONNA DO?! HOGAN! HOGAN! I was glad he won. I like Hogan. Even though I was more of a "Little Stinger" growing up, I still loved Hogan. Hopefully Hogan's run lasts til Wrestlemania 23, where he drops the title to a new and improved Pete Gas.

[Guest]

The PPV was great until the last few matches. Taker vs. Austin just plain sucked, and watching the main event was like eating warm shit. I really enjoyed Broc Lesnar winning by k.o. Eddy Gurrero, the only man in WWF with a full blown mulett wins the IC belt in his return, MULETT POWER!!!

 

On a side note: Am I the only one that wants to see Hogan leave for good. Enough is Enough, die already.(ok so mabye I dont want him dead, but still)

 

OH, and I'm not really a fan of Molly's new look. She looks like white trash now.

[Guest Caliban]

Nice to see the PPV finish at pretty much 4am, rather than 20 minutes before the hour. Yeah, I'm a late night UK monkey too...

[Guest]

I'm in the Late Night club too.

Ireland.

It's amazing what a few aftershocks can do to an average match.

Hogan.

Wah.

[Guest humongous2002]

Flair used to be a great wrestler , but he sucks as a ref big time making the Austin-Mean Mark match look more painfully boring than it really was. Mean Mark it's time for you to hang those boots just like Foley, and even Foley at his worst was more entertaining by just pulling out a sock. Austin is still over but it seems that he is not going nowhere right now storyline wise, probably he'll finally get to have a match with Hulkstalgia.

Trips must be crying right now realizing that his WWF title run was a big dissapointment, and it wasn't mostly his fault, his girlfriend has to take the blame too. Steph should've known better than put HGH in the position of #1 babyface when the crowd hated him 8 months ago before the injury. He should've been build up slowly instead of trying to shove him down our throats. She thought she was giving her man the big push he deserved(even though he's been having a big push since 1999)but it backfired, and daddy warbucks Vince has chosen 50 somethin' yrs old Hulk Hogan to run with the title and give the "young newcomer" a big push. It's funny how the WWF used to point out that WCW had the older non-working wrestlers on top back in 98 when Hogan was still in his 40's , but now he is being push to the top in his 50's.

The rest of the ppv was good , RVD and Eddy didn't dissapoint since they are both great wrestlers and this mean their feud will continue. Angle now has the powers to turn shit into gold and that's what he did last night with his match against Edge.Kidman-Tajiri was good but it seems that the WWF is holding these two and also RVD and Eddy from doing high risk stuff that we all know they could do so they won't make the top guys look bad.

Well I'm glad the HGH is not the champ anymore but now I'm stuck with the orange goblin(he could be related to the green gobling from the Spiderman comics)and last night the main event wasn't the battle of the biceps but instead it was

"THE ROID RAGE RUMBLE" or aka the triple R.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hmm.

I don't think I'll be ordering Judgment Day either.

 

Hulk Hogan vs The Undertaker

Ugh..

[Guest]

Before i go over the show, I missed the first 4 matches. Ironically, the reason was i had no intentions of watching this crap. My friend's roomate was out of town, so i drove his bored ass to the bar and we watched.

 

I have to say I was extremely suprised that the Angle match was good. Edge is average, and watching a guy try 8 different ways to combine a ddt and a bulldog is not too thrilling. Luckily, Edge solved the problem of his crappy moves by stealing Angle's, which was a necessary evil. And you gotta love the Spear Punt. However the anklelock is going the way of the liontamer (useless) and the Oslam has always looked bad. This proves the theory that false finishes make any match good, as long as the're convinving.

 

RVD vs. Eddie was ok. What everyone thought would be a spotfest turned out to be mat wrestling. The finish was poop too, as it was blatently obvious RVD would dodge the frog splash, untill he didn't. There goes that push. I think this match was too short, and these two are capable of much better. Normally, this is not an excuse, but a rematch or two will clearly be happening. by the way, isn't JR's job to make a match sound more interesting?

 

Austin and Taker was brutally god awful. The best part was the start,  probably because they wern't trying to use slow, crappy brawling on eachother. Among the numerous problems with this match:

 

1. It took about 25 minutes, which is ok if the crowd is actually interested in the match. They wern't.

2. having a couple jobbers stand on the ramp is going to improve a match how? Maybe Mark Henry will come out and watch the Taker/Hogan match.

3. Ric Flair, what the hell? he didn't do a damn thing, up untill the end, where he stared at Austin's leg, and then pretended not to.

4. In the WWF, psychology is worthless. The kiss of death to a WWF match is for someone to work the arm or the leg, because all it means is restholds. This match had both, plus the crappy ringside brawling we're used to.

5. If i had to watch that match and then come up with some adjectives, i would say: old, fat, bored, boring, tired, long.

 

Obviously, we needed a big match to get the crowd back into it. So we got the tag match. This is the first time i saw Rico, and it seems like he makes that team. I was glad this was over quick, and Maven technically used three moves, but how could it not suck? AGD vs. Tough enough? Didn't they learn from wrestlemania, where Rock/Hogan was followed by chicks?

 

As for the main event. Normally I would complain about the two run ins, but i was expecting 4, so I'll lay off. Technically, the right thing was done, as Hogan will be pissed on in about 6 months, so put the title on him now. The current opinion on this board seems to be "complain about hogan, complain about hhh, you people whine no matter what happens."

 

well, my solution would be not to make a fat, old, cripple with retarded moves your champion. However, both guys in the main event fit that description. This problem is compounded when you realize the two guys fighting for the next title match are also fat, old, cripples with retarded moves. In fact, we might have to see a fat, old, retarded cripple four way match at Judgement Day. So to sum up, if you are watching wrestling, you know that at the end of the show, no matter what has happened up until that point, you will have to watch some combination of fat, old, cripples with retarded moves, posing and pretending to punch each other. And after the enterances are over, the crowd won't give a rat's tit what happens. Sounds like a winner.

 

Now I'm all worked up. Where's Anglesault, I need somebody to help me spew venemous posion on everything.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Hogan sucks.  I'm not watching WWF television for a long time, probably until the belt is off of him.  I never EVER was a Hogan mark and I never will be.  I'm shocked at Vince's decision here, but it's only about money to him.  I'll ocassionally check some websites for results, but I refuse to watch Hogan gloating while all his sheep cheer him.....

[Guest]

I jumped out of bed this morning, in a cold, cold sweat.  Turns out, I had this terrible dream that Hulk Hogan won the belt at Backlash, and Steve Austin and The Undertaker put on the worst match I have seen since the Patterson/Briscoe Evening Gown Affair.  Good thing it was just a dream, huh?  Only 4 1/2 hours til the PPV starts!  I can't wait!

[Guest Blue Bacchus]

You what the funny thing is about Hogan winning? It's that Jericho wasn't the transitional champ after all... It was HHH who was the Transitional Champ. That's fricken' Hillarious.

 

Just wait guys, Jericho is gonna get his belt back by beating Hogan. Cuz 'Taker is gonna do the J O B at Judgement Day.

[Guest chirs3]

Angle went over clean? Good.

 

The PPV wasn't a total waste then.

 

I know I've advocated Triple Haytch being all... not good, and stuff, and I'm not gonna reneg on that... I hate him for ending Jericho's golden era... whether it be backstage politics or whether it was fairly booked. He took Jericho's belt, and I hate him for it...

 

... BUT FUCKING HOGAN?!

 

In the words of Kurt Angle, "PUH, and might I add, LEASE!"

[Guest]

HOGAN

[Guest nWoScorpion]

1st, Hogan is 48. FOURTY-EIGHT. 2nd, i believe the only reason hes champ is fpr his final run before his retirement. As for Flair, keep him out of the zebra shirt. 1......................(sleeps)...2............(takes a piss)...kickout. Plus, am i the only one disgusted with Jazz's ring attire?

[Guest Caliban]

I thought it was alright... Trish looked great though...

[Guest caboose]

On the whole the PPV was okay, but it just felt somewhat slow.

But Flair going 'Oh Shit' when he realised his mistake was golden.

And I'll admit when Hogan won, I marked.

Either because Hogan won and I felt like I was seven again, or because Triple H lost.

I think it was the second reason.

Moment of the night for me was JR declaring that D-Lo was the first to use the Frog Splash in the WWF.

I jumped up from my seat, shook my fist at the screen and shouted 'YOU DAMN STRAIGHT D-LO WAS FIRST!!!!'

[Guest]

Hogan sucks.  I'm not watching WWF television for a long time, probably until the belt is off of him.  I never EVER was a Hogan mark and I never will be.  I'm shocked at Vince's decision here, but it's only about money to him.  I'll ocassionally check some websites for results, but I refuse to watch Hogan gloating while all his sheep cheer him.....

 

Why? It's not like the belt means anything anyways...

[JoeDirt 0]

BUMP!

 

Old PPV threads are always fun to bump. Especially when HHH/Hogan was your main event.

 

This show was the start of a very depressing time in the company for me. They had some okay things going on here and there, but the general direction was bad.

 

Anyways...thoughts? Comments? Making fun of old posts?

[alfdogg 0]

I was happy that Hogan won, fuck all you guys.