Musicians selling-out

[Red Baron 0]

A Flock Of Seagulls is the worst name ever.

 

The only thing I can think Korn is grunge to some bands, is their simplicity in music writing, and lyrics that compair to some other bands as well, just more anger driven, but its the same thing when its broken down.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

A Flock Of Seagulls is the worst name ever.

 

The only thing I can think Korn is grunge to some bands, is their simplicity in music writing, and lyrics that compair to some other bands as well, just more anger driven, but its the same thing when its broken down.

It's just the way that the instruments work/in with the vocals - that's always how you define a genre.

 

Korn, for majority of their songs, play depressing numbers with the guitar and other instruments while Jonathan Davis drones, for lack of a better term, into the microphone about working in a coroner's office as a teenager and seeing an 11-month-old baby who's been smashed around the bathroom.

 

Off-topic, he admits to that fucking him up for life.

[Guest Deebo]

A Flock Of Seagulls is the worst name ever.

 

The only thing I can think Korn is grunge to some bands, is their simplicity in music writing, and lyrics that compair to some other bands as well, just more anger driven, but its the same thing when its broken down.

It's just the way that the instruments work/in with the vocals - that's always how you define a genre.

 

Korn, for majority of their songs, play depressing numbers with the guitar and other instruments while Jonathan Davis drones, for lack of a better term, into the microphone about working in a coroner's office as a teenager and seeing an 11-month-old baby who's been smashed around the bathroom.

 

Off-topic, he admits to that fucking him up for life.

 

Doesn't he also whine about getting fucked by his step dad or something?

 

That's the problem with music today. Every song, every singer is bitching about something. Guys like Jonathan Davis and Aaron Lewis like, can't make a song without bitching.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

A Flock Of Seagulls is the worst name ever.

 

The only thing I can think Korn is grunge to some bands, is their simplicity in music writing, and lyrics that compair to some other bands as well, just more anger driven, but its the same thing when its broken down.

It's just the way that the instruments work/in with the vocals - that's always how you define a genre.

 

Korn, for majority of their songs, play depressing numbers with the guitar and other instruments while Jonathan Davis drones, for lack of a better term, into the microphone about working in a coroner's office as a teenager and seeing an 11-month-old baby who's been smashed around the bathroom.

 

Off-topic, he admits to that fucking him up for life.

 

Doesn't he also whine about getting fucked by his step dad or something?

 

That's the problem with music today. Every song, every singer is bitching about something. Guys like Jonathan Davis and Aaron Lewis like, can't make a song without bitching.

First up, as for band names... Limp Korn Muphin is terrible.

 

I'm not sure about the stepdad thing, but it wouldn't surprise me - but if you'll read the lyrics to Pretty...

 

So... so young.

Raped, but I don't realize.

 

Small white legs, broke,

the pain between her thighs

 

I see your pretty face,

Smashed against the bathroom floor!

What a disgrace!

Who do I feel sorry for?

 

Skin... so cold.

How, could someone steal a life?

Takes the blame.

Wait, I got some shit to say.

 

I see your pretty face,

Smashed against the bathroom floor!

What a disgrace!

Who do I feel sorry for?

 

Smashed and raped!

Not again. This is a real crime.

What a pretty face.

Who do I feel sorry for?

 

RAPE! Something... Now!

Rips my... Heart!

And takes... My!

Soul I... Wait

Too late... Now!

I feel... Hate!

Inside... Take!

My soul away....

 

Away....

 

I see your pretty face,

Smashed against the bathroom floor!

What a disgrace!

Who do I feel sorry for?

 

Smashed and raped!

Not again. This is a real crime.

What a pretty face.

Who do I feel sorry for...

 

Credit: LetsSingIt.com

[spiny norman 0]

"Selling out" is a stupid phrase, as it's also not always a bad thing. Hey, Dylan in the mid-60s was seen to have "sold out" (though I doubt that's what they called it). With all the bands mentioned in here, the most I can see from them is that they once played crap music and then they changed, became more popular and still made crap music.

 

Really, the best example I can come up with of "selling out" is Jewel. Unlike the others mentioned, that was a really big style change which ostracised her old fans.

[Red Baron 0]

Jewel, I don't know if it was ment to be a parody, or actually taken seriously...

[Guest Brian]

You're talking about Dylan's transition to the electric guitar, right? If so, check out his work afterword. It was among the best he's done.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Limp Bizkit have wrote some damn good music, I'll be the first to admit that

If you have to give ground on something, this seems like exactly the wrong place to give it. Yuck.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Really, the best example I can come up with of "selling out" is Jewel. Unlike the others mentioned, that was a really big style change which ostracised her old fans.

Does anyone know if that album was deliberately bad, like a slap at typical Pop music, or was she serious? I want to know.

 

You can add Liz Phair to the sell-out list. Of course, since I'm practically in love with her, it's ok.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

You can add Liz Phair to the sell-out list. Of course, since I'm practically in love with her, it's ok.

Liz Phair is an interesting case. I suppose it's a bit better to be like her and actively say "I want a top 40 hit, dammit, I'm going to do everything I can to get one" than just immediately hop on the latest style and hope no one notices.

 

I really don't like much of Liz Phair past her debut, though I do think she's still uber indie-rock hot.

[Guest MissMattitude]

Silverchair was the australian fake Nirvana, so if anything gave the public a "taste" of the genre over there, it would've been them, but they weren't worth a damn publicity-wise until after Nirvana hit, so that point's moot anyway.

Silverchair released their first album in 1995, a year after Kurt's death, so how were they 'not worth a damn until after Nirvana hit' when they didn't release an album until a year after Nirvana had finished. Also Silverchair have been the most successful band in Australia since they came out.

 

How were Silverchair a fake anything, they weren't even that big Nirvana fans... they were Pearl Jam fan however, hense the wannabe Vedder vocals on 'Frogstomp'.

[NoCalMike 0]

the problem with today's music acts is that they aren't even good enough to be rewarded with the rage of "you sold out" Korn, Limp Bizkit etc....were never that great in the first place.

 

Some of the major sell-out artists in the history of music I'd say were Jefferson Airplane and Metallica.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

caboose, explain how Deftones are metal. Because they're not. At all. They share a lot more in common with the SoCal punk scene than they do with Bay Area (which churned out four of the Big 5 in Thrash: Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Exodus).

 

KoRn are grunge because Jon Davis whines? Um, okay. Grunge music was founded on post-punk indie rock (like The Pixies and Sonic Youth) with a touch of old-school punk and some minor folk elements. The guitars are minorly distorted and standard tuned (low to high: EADGBe), the bass is clean, the vocals deep and sung, and the drums are pure rock drumming. KoRn uses heavy distortion, detuned (I believe they either use Drop-C or are tuned to C) 7-string guitars, chunky slapbass (done poorly, might I add), the vocals whiny or screamed, and the drums are jazz drumming (also done poorly).

So, again...HOW ARE THEY GRUNGE?

 

As for bands that sold out...I'd say Misfits, but the change in music is mostly because Doyle was a better guitarist than the original one (I always forget his name), and Graves was the closest sounding voice to Danzig Jerry could find. Oh, wow, so Jerry learned how to play. Yep, he sold out alright. He's just the one wearing the same boots he was 15 years ago, writing the same 50's-influenced songs he was then too.

[spiny norman 0]

You're talking about Dylan's transition to the electric guitar, right? If so, check out his work afterword. It was among the best he's done.

I know that Dylan going electric produced some of the best music he ever put out. I was just saying though that at the time many people saw that as him "selling out" and turning against those who enjoyed his folk work, and look how good his stuff was then.

 

Basically I am just saying that the entire idea of selling out is incredibly stupid.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Not really. It's one thing to cry "sell-out" when a band you like changes their style through experimentation and happens to get more fans, or just gets more fans in general. That's not selling out, that's just growing and more people happening to like it.

 

Selling out would be altering your music strictly to make more money off of it. There's a difference.

 

I wouldn't call Metallica sell-out's until St. Anger, and even then I wouldn't stress, and that's simply because they've ALWAYS said they make the music for themselves and for their own purposes.

 

Ditto Megadeth. Mustaine grew up listening to Cat Stevens more than he did Black Sabbath, so we got Risk and a bunch of other slow Megadeth songs before that.

 

But one band I will always yell at for being sell-out's is, well...EVERY SINGLE BAND PHIL ANSELMO HAS EVER BEEN A PART OF. Seriously. Pantera was glam rock. Glam rock started to die down and be replaced by edgier metal and hard rock (namely Metallica, Megadeth, and GNR), so they released Cowboys From Hell and Darrell changes his name from Diamond to Dimebag.

Metal gets edgier. Vulgar Display Of Power is released. Metal becomes faster and heavier. The Great Southern Trendkill and Far Beyond Driven are released. Then Phil records Down's NOLA based off of the blues-influenced metal coming from New Orleans. Reinventing The Steel was a poor attempt at briefly touching upon the swamp and also old-school Pantera. Down's second record, II, comes out, and Phil also starts/joins Superjoint Ritual to cash in on the current craze of hardcore metal.

And somewhere in there, I think Phil also played bass for Necrophagia. Fuck Phil Anselmo and his awesome voice and even greater stage presence. Fucking sell-out.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

The Deftones are nowhere near punk or metal at this point and they never really were.

 

Someone mentioned Sugar Ray pre Fly and post Fly and I can say that thats a pretty damn good example of "selling out" Fly was surrounded by somewhat moronic punk/metal songs (kinda like a less developed Snot really) and then the next album was Fly style numbers home made just for mother. Horrible shit.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Silverchair released their first album in 1995, a year after Kurt's death, so how were they 'not worth a damn until after Nirvana hit' when they didn't release an album until a year after Nirvana had finished.

 

I think you answered your own question. Also, to be fair, Silverchair totally fell off the radar after a couple cold releases after they had a hit here on their debut album. I haven't heard anything after their alleged career revitalization. At the time, they were generic grungy rock, and that's all they ever did here.

 

Then Phil records Down's NOLA based off of the blues-influenced metal coming from New Orleans

 

Some of those songs were as old as stuff from 92, if memory serves. That can't be called a sellout album though, as hardly anyone bought it until the second one came out and everyone who knew better told everyone that the debut was superior. Hell, Phil was already famous at that point, and he didn't do much to promote it even then. I'll agree with you about most of the rest of that, though.

 

Reinventing the Steel was Pantera's Black Album. Thank god they quit.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

Ignoring and forgiving the standard slow glam song on the albums, Pantera has been nothing but speedy metal along the lines of a slightly less poppy motley Crue from 1985-1990. The 1983 album was fucking horrible and is better left forgotten It's not like they switched from being a def leppard/whitesnake clone.

 

The first song Down wrote (that we know of based on teh first NOLA) was written in 1991 if i remember rightly. The promotion and material of that album can hardly be considered sellout especially since they had a major label release it and a platinum seller fronting it. The content was definitely not accessible as far as MTV TRL kids fallin in love at first listen

 

Superjoint was also jamming as early as 93-94 at the same time as Phil was messing around with his Black Metal fascination with Christ Inversion and later Viking Crown (which he was doing in..........95...memory again)

 

Phil was also friends with Killjoy of Necrophagia for many many hears and wanted to work with him for a long time. He played guitar on their 1999 release.

 

I think Phil is more the kind of guy that wants to be seen as the metal hero of the little man instead of a multi millionaire Pantera frontman.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm close on these dates anyway.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I've heard it argued that Metallica sold out around their Black Album days, but when they try to go back to how they sounded before that, you guys say they sold out. I don't get it.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Because they're trying to go back to how they sounded for money. They don't want to play that style of music anymore, and if you take out the overdone underproduction of St. Anger, it's just songs that would fit on Load and ReLoad with downtuned instruments.

 

Metallica looked at the fact that the fans don't want to hear the new stuff live. They don't buy the new stuff as much as they do the old stuff. Hell, Puppets outsold everything they did post-Black, and that was released when Metallica had no radio play and no music videos. They saw that the fans of edgier music were coming back to the forefront of rock, and that metal bands like Shadows Fall, Lamb Of God, Killswitch Engage, and various Pantera sub-groups were becoming big, so they wanted to be edgy again. They failed because they did it simply to cash in on the trend.

 

As for Phil selling out, I say that in the sense that he tries to do everything for when the trend in the "underground" metal scene is. It might not be exactly selling out, but he's pretty trendy in terms of metal, you have to admit.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Yeah, but that's more being with the times than it is selling out. He admittedly makes his changes BEFORE everyone else tries to cash in on a new sound. Superjoint still sucks, though.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

I think Phil is more the kind of guy that wants to be seen as the metal hero of the little man instead of a multi millionaire Pantera frontman.

From the recent interviews I've read(recent being in the last 6 months to a year), Phil wants to be seen as the God of Metal, and that if it weren't for him, metal never would have caught on like it did in the 90s, and that Pantera would be nothing if not for his presence.

[Red Baron 0]

Who does Phil think he is? Dee Snider?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

He's right about Pantera, at least.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

He's right about Pantera, at least.

Well, one out of three ain't bad, I guess.

[Guest Choken One]

If you want to look at a SELL OUT...

 

Look no further then Shania Twain.

 

She makes the HUGE following with Country and then goes "HEY! I'm going to make VH1 videos and become a Pop star Y'all!"

 

and redesigns her entire formula to fit the pop style...

 

Faith Hill did the same thing but to a lessner extent.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

...you listen to Shania Twain...

[Guest Choken One]

No I don't listen to her(only country i partake is Cash)...

 

You don't have to LISTEN to her to know this story...

 

 

Just LOOK.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

...you listen to Shania Twain...

It's not hard to notice her. Her singles from her last couple of albums have been all over mainstream radio, and the videos have been played countless times on VH1. There's nothing "country" about her music anymore. It's all pop with a little bit of twang here and there.

[Guest Nanks]

Silverchair released their first album in 1995, a year after Kurt's death, so how were they 'not worth a damn until after Nirvana hit' when they didn't release an album until a year after Nirvana had finished.

 

I think you answered your own question. Also, to be fair, Silverchair totally fell off the radar after a couple cold releases after they had a hit here on their debut album. I haven't heard anything after their alleged career revitalization. At the time, they were generic grungy rock, and that's all they ever did here.

Silverchair were immediately compared to Nirvana because Daniel Johns looked a little like Kurt Cobain. They were of the same genre, but I think it's unfair to say that they wouldn't have been worth anything if not for Nirvana, as if they're on their own. Nirvana opened the door for a lot of bands to get mainstream popularity, especially given they disappeared suddenly leaving fans searching for replacements. If you haven't heard anything from them recently, I suggest checking out Diorama, it's pretty good. Mind you, they're on hiatus now, Daniel Johns has a side project going on with dance music producer, Paul Mac, called The Dissociatives. Again, pretty good. There's no denying Johns' ability as a vocalist.