Election Day

[Highland 0]

I forgot about that.

 

Fuck.

[CanadianChris 0]

Something to consider: unless one party wins a majority, Martin, as the incumbent Prime Minister, will be offered the first chance at forming a government by the Governor General regardless of who ends up with the most seats.

No matter. No one is going to be able to form a coalition, and we'll be back at the polls within a year.

[Highland 0]

Martin being accused of supporting child pornography....

Harper called out for being anti-francophone....

Layton holding Martin responsible for homeless deaths....

 

This is the dirtiest election I've been involved in yet.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Harper called out for being anti-francophone....

 

I like the sounds of that.

[CanadianChris 0]

Watching a Jack Layton press conference...he's blasting Martin for (gasp!) stressing the importance of debt reduction.

 

This guy scares me.

[Highland 0]

Layton is too far to the left; Harper is too much of a neo-con for my liking and Martin has shown in this campaign and in the months and weeks prior that he has alot of chinks in his armour.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm strongly leaning towards the Green Party, it's a pity they aren't allowed to take part in the debates.

[CanadianChris 0]

I'm strongly leaning towards the Green Party, it's a pity they aren't allowed to take part in the debates.

The Ottawa Citizen actually endorsed a Green Party candidate yesterday. Pity he's running against Ed Broadbent.

[Highland 0]

Ok I just saw an excerpt from an interview with Randy White. This kook is far too willing to use the notwithstanding clause.

 

 

I think I'll vote Green, come Monday; at least they're in favour of decriminalizing marijuana.

[CanadianChris 0]

It's a shame the campaign isn't a week longer. The Conservatives could completely self-destruct by then. As it is, they'll probably just gasp to the finish line.

[Red Baron 0]

Conservative (aka Canadian Alliance) wont last six months if elected into power. Canadians want to stay Canadians, not America-Lite, or suffer Brian Mulroney version 2.0

[Highland 0]

The Liberal scare tactics stating basically a vote for the Conservatives is a vote against the country are almost as bad as the ones they used in the '88 election where they tried to frighten voters with the line that a vote for the PC's was a vote for the FTA and for making Canada the 51st State.

Obviously, we're not, and have no desire to ever be, but the media and thus the parties insist that we're "not a real country" and have no national identity and that the very foundation of our Confederation is cracked and could crumble at any time.

I feel insulted.

[Red Baron 0]

The Liberal scare tactics stating basically a vote for the Conservatives is a vote against the country are almost as bad as the ones they used in the '88 election where they tried to frighten voters with the line that a vote for the PC's was a vote for the FTA and for making Canada the 51st State.

Obviously, we're not, and have no desire to ever be, but the media and thus the parties insist that we're "not a real country" and have no national identity and that the very foundation of our Confederation is cracked and could crumble at any time.

I feel insulted.

and look what happened, the PC party got down to non existant after what Mulroney pulled. TWO FUCKIN SEATS!

 

And who is helping Harper?

 

Brian Mulroney...

 

 

I like the way my country is now, and I don't want to wind up like that sespool down there.

[Highland 0]

The Liberal scare tactics stating basically a vote for the Conservatives is a vote against the country are almost as bad as the ones they used in the '88 election where they tried to frighten voters with the line that a vote for the PC's was a vote for the FTA and for making Canada the 51st State.

Obviously, we're not, and have no desire to ever be, but the media and thus the parties insist that we're "not a real country" and have no national identity and that the very foundation of our Confederation is cracked and could crumble at any time.

I feel insulted.

and look what happened, the PC party got down to non existant after what Mulroney pulled. TWO FUCKIN SEATS!

 

And who is helping Harper?

 

Brian Mulroney...

 

 

I like the way my country is now, and I don't want to wind up like that sespool down there.

The PC's lost because Mulroney was seen as being too cozy with Reagan and they brought in the GST and free trade. I don't recall the Liberals rescinding either.

The Liberals are far more corrupt than the PC's, and the fact that they need to draw a connection between the current Conservatives and the Mulroney PC's, even blaming him for the deficit (which was more the fault of Trudeau) shows the Liberal's desperation.

Fuck the Liberals, they pull this stunt about losing our national identify if they're not the governing party every election. They've been in power far too long, are corrupt and have squandered our money with scandal and patronage.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I like the way my country is now, and I don't want to wind up like that sespool down there.

 

So you like the health care system being gutted and your tax money stolen by the government? Interesting country you want. Hell, it almost split up during Chretien's first majority. The Liberals are hardly the great protector of this country. The Liberals have acted like criminals for 11 years now, and you are still voting for them. Between Paul Martin & Dalton McGuinty, the health care system will be fucked for years. Since most Canadians do consider that the most important issue (according to polls), a vote for the Liberals on those grounds would be absolutely insane. If someone keeps fucking you over, don't keep voting for them.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Explain the whole stealing tax money thing, and the healthcare system fuckup. I've been told that the Conservatives want to take away the whole "universal" from universal healthcare, or something along those lines. I don't remember right now, but remove the propaganda for me.

[Highland 0]

Basically the Conservatives want to privatize parts of medicare, thus creating a two-tiered health system.

The fear is that this will create an unequal health system and thus it would not longer be "universal", but if you have the money, you'll be treated first.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Explain the whole stealing tax money thing, and the healthcare system fuckup. I've been told that the Conservatives want to take away the whole "universal" from universal healthcare, or something along those lines. I don't remember right now, but remove the propaganda for me.

When Paul Martin was finance minister his one and only goal was to eliminate the deficit. How he accomplished this was by major cutbacks, primarily of the military and from health care, leaving the provinces to pick up the pieces. This was the reason health care is in the mess it is now with long wait times, not enough beds, etc..

 

Additionally, in Ontario's new budget, Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty who is in support of Paul Martin, raised health care premiums by about $1000 a year per person, and delisted several services from OHIP, most notibly physiotherapy and eye examinations. In other words, McGuinty is marching towards an American-style health care system, and this is the guy that Martin has been backing. Martin, of course, denies this, but they have been caught lying so many times that there is no reason to believe him this time, and the actions of himself and McGuinty in the past suggest that this is what he's going for. McGuinty is also spending a good amount of money (I forget how much right now), that he promised to health care, on sewer systems instead.

 

As for stealing money, just look at Ascam and the fiasco involving Martin's off-shore shipping company. Martin promised that he would get to the bottom of this scandal before the election, but he never did.

 

Did you watch the debate? These issues were brought forth by Harper, Layton & Duceppe and Martin didn't bother answering them at all.

 

BTW, if you are left wing, why don't you vote NDP? I certainly don't agree with them, but they will certainly defend your interests a lot better than the Liberals will.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I'm seventeen so I wouldn't vote. I was just curious, since the main thing I've been hearing is that "conservatives want to eliminate healthcare forever OMG!!!" Healthcare would probably be the most important issue to me, and to have a two tier system is not good.

 

Even if I were to vote, I'm not a socialist and I don't want to throw my vote away. No NDP here thanks

[Red Baron 0]

McGuinty had no choice in what he did, from what the damage did between Mike Harris and Ernie Eves destroying the Healthcare and Education with the cut backs and such.

 

Don't blame liberals for conservatives mistakes.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

McGuinty had no choice in what he did, from what the damage did between Mike Harris and Ernie Eves destroying the Healthcare and Education with the cut backs and such.

 

Don't blame liberals for conservatives mistakes.

It wasn't them that destroyed healthcare, it was the federal government. And how is delisting services and raising premiums going to help healthcare get back on track. A vote for McGuinty is a vote for privatization.

 

The biggest problem with the education system right now is inadequate teachers or at least it was when I was in school during the Tory government. Caving into the union is only going to make things worse. I also don't think it is too much to ask kids to be able to pass a basic literacy test before graduating high school. The purpose of school is to get an education, not to get a piece of paper.

 

Even if I were to vote, I'm not a socialist and I don't want to throw my vote away. No NDP here thanks 

 

I was speaking to the small-l liberals in general. The NDP will win several seats and have won at the provincial level before, so it isn't like you are voting for the Green. The Liberals are so corrupt, I just don't know why more of their supporters haven't jumped ship.

[CanadianChris 0]

As for stealing money, just look at Ascam

Adscam was a media creation. The stuff they did was standard government practice -- ANY government -- to get money from where it was to where it needed to go. Everyone blew it up into farcical proportions because they don't understand how financial mechanisms work in government, due to the ridiculous restrictions placed on the flow of money from one department to another.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

As for stealing money, just look at Ascam

Adscam was a media creation. The stuff they did was standard government practice -- ANY government -- to get money from where it was to where it needed to go. Everyone blew it up into farcical proportions because they don't understand how financial mechanisms work in government, due to the ridiculous restrictions placed on the flow of money from one department to another.

If that was the case, then Martin would have dealth with it before the election. That he didn't, suggests he is hiding something.

[CanadianChris 0]

Additionally, in Ontario's new budget, Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty who is in support of Paul Martin, raised health care premiums by about $1000 a year per person,

Exaggeration. It's $900 for anyome making over $200K, down to nothing for anyone under $20K. And similar premiums already exist in Alberta and British Columbia.

 

and delisted several services from OHIP, most notibly physiotherapy and eye examinations.  In other words, McGuinty is marching towards an American-style health care system,

 

That's a bit of a logical leap. If I was in his shoes, I would have done the same thing -- delist some secondary services so core services continue to be delivered without interruption. When you're dealing with double the deficit you were expecting, you need to make some hard choices.

 

and this is the guy that Martin has been backing.  Martin, of course, denies this, but they have been caught lying so many times that there is no reason to believe him this time, and the actions of himself and McGuinty in the past suggest that this is what he's going for.

That's laughable. Look at Mr. Klein in Alberta; he's a REAL example of trying to privatize health care. Of course, the health care system is in such bad shape right now that no amount of money is going to fix it anyway. New ideas need to be injected into the debate, and there's no one around right now with fresh ideas.

 

McGuinty is also spending a good amount of money (I forget how much right now), that he promised to health care, on sewer systems instead.

Right, because clean drinking water has NOTHING to do with good health.

[Tawren 0]

I've made up my mind. I hate all the people running in my area, and I pretty much hate all the parties. I'm voting Conservative. They're the best of the worst, so to say.

 

Ted Menzies = +1 vote

[dubq 0]

I've made up my mind. I hate all the people running in my area, and I pretty much hate all the parties. I'm voting Conservative. They're the best of the worst, so to say.

 

Ted Menzies = +1 vote

If you hate all of the parties, then just spoil your ballot. Vote for Batman or something..

[LaParkaMarka 0]

No, vote White Ninja. That is one of the best comics out there, next to the glory that is Parking Lot is Full.

 

Anyways, I voted Liberal, as they have a good chance of winning this riding. I really don't want to see Harper as PM, and I especially don't want to see Randy White as a cabinet minister

[Highland 0]

Spoiling your ballot or not voting at all is the worse thing you can do. It sends a message through your indifference that you approve of the political status quo.

 

I voted Green, mostly because the major national parties don't deserve my vote.

Edited June 28, 2004 by Highland

[treble 0]

I voted Liberal, mostly because this riding is a 2 horse race between them and the Conservatives so there's no point in voting for either the NDP or Greens (the only other 2 parties with candidates running here).

[Highland 0]

I know the candidate I voted for hasn't a hope in hell of winning, since my riding like many others will be a race between the Conservatives and Liberals. Mine was more a protest vote than anything else.