EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 The All-Time All-Star Game For an upcoming column, I plan to compile All-Time All-Star teams for each league, and sim a game between them. I'm going to select the reserves and pitchers, but I am leaving the starters up to you guys. Vote on the eight starters for each league. Send your picks via PM, please do not post them. Voting will last for a week, and the teams will appear in my June 21st column. NL C: 1B: 2B: SS: 3B: LF: CF: RF: AL C: 1B: 2B: SS: 3B: LF: CF: RF:
Dr. Tom Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 AL, what about guys who were stars in each league? Not saying I'm nominating these fellows, but Mark McGwire and Frank Robinson had very productive years in both leagues. What's the criteria here?
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 10, 2004 Author Report Posted June 10, 2004 AL, what about guys who were stars in each league? Not saying I'm nominating these fellows, but Mark McGwire and Frank Robinson had very productive years in both leagues. What's the criteria here? Consider accomplishments from both leagues, and choose one where you feel he made the most impact. Obviously for Robinson this is quite difficult, but if he were to receive an abundance of combined votes from each league, I'd make an arrangement.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 12, 2004 Author Report Posted June 12, 2004 Still I few days left. I've gotten some interesting responses thus far.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Posted June 21, 2004 Here are the results..... AL C- Yogi Berra 1B- Lou Gehrig 2B- Nap Lajoie SS- Alex Rodriguez 3B- Wade Boggs LF- Ted Williams CF- Mickey Mantle RF- Babe Ruth NL C- Johnny Bench 1B- Stan Musial 2B- Rogers Hornsby SS- Honus Wagner 3B- Mike Schmidt LF- Barry Bonds CF- Willie Mays RF- Hank Aaron
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Posted June 21, 2004 Rodriguez was picked by every single voter.
Bored Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Ripken was really the only other option at short for the A.L. And those results are the exact picks I made although after a couple of revisions. Although now that I think of it maybe I should have put George Brett at 3rd and Ty Cobb in center. Oh well, it's close.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Ty Cobb >>>>>>>> Mickey Mantle and how the fuck does Wade Boggs beat out Brooks Robinson?
Bored Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Because Robinson wasn't that good of a hitter.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Robinson also played in a different offensive era. Still, he had over 250 homers and was 100+ hits shy of 3000. He was the best third baseman in ML history(with Mike Schmidt coming a close second). Leaving him off is criminal.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Posted June 21, 2004 I know I might have favoritism here, but no way does Brooks beat Mike Schmidt. Schmidt had ten gold gloves AND 500+ home runs. Brooks Robinson had a 104 career OPS+, about league average. You have to hit significantly better than league average to be the best of all time.
Bored Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Mike Schmidt is so the greatest third baseman of all-time it's not even open for debate. Anyways if you want to compare era's then we just look at our old friend OPS+ and compare Robinson to the great third basemen of all-time, a historically weak position. Brooks Robinson 104 Mike Schmidt 147 George Brett 135 Wade Boggs 130 Eddie Mathews 143 Frank Baker 135 Ron Santo 125 (not in the HOF) Edit: I see Al posted Robinson's OPS+ number also. Edit 2: Here are the other HOF third basemen. Jimmy Collins 113 George Kell 111 Freddie Lindstrom 110 Pie Traynor 107
Vern Gagne Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Interesting Bill James ranks Arky Vaughan the 2nd best SS behind Honus Wagner. At least that's what Rob Neyer said in his Book of Lineups. OT-Does anyone have a list of players who spent their entire careers with one team, and played at least 10 seasons?
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Posted June 21, 2004 Interesting Bill James ranks Arky Vaughan the 2nd best SS behind Honus Wagner. At least that's what Rob Neyer said in his Book of Lineups. Yes, in the New Historical Baseball Abstract. If you look at the stats, there's a good argument for Vaughan. Career OPS+ numbers..... Vaughan 136 Ripkin 112 Yount 115 Banks 122 Larkin 116 Reese 99 Appling 112 I can't think of any others with an argument. Vaughan was a tremendous hitter. Now these rankings were done after the 1999 season, so A-Rod wouldn't have entered the picture at that point. OT-Does anyone have a list of players who spent their entire careers with one team, and played at least 10 seasons? Including players who played before free agency, that list would be insanely long.
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