New Abuse Allegations

[Guest MikeSC]

Could the abuse of prisoners in Iraq have gone beyond the beatings and sexual humiliation already alleged? Unreleased, classified parts of the report on prison abuse from Major General Anthony Taguba, which were read to TIME, contain indications of mistreatment of female prisoners. In a Feb. 21 statement to Taguba, Lieut. Colonel Steven L. Jordan, former head of the Abu Ghraib interrogation center, said he had received reports "that there were members of the MI [Military Intelligence] community that had come over and done a late-night interrogation of two female detainees" last October. According to a statement by Jordan's boss, Colonel Thomas Pappas, three interrogators were later cited for violations of military law in their handling of the two females, ages 17 and 18. Senate Armed Services Committee investigators are probing whether the two women were sexually abused. The Pentagon declined to comment.

 

Meanwhile, a class action filed in California on behalf of former detainees raises the specter of brutal physical abuse.

 

One plaintiff, identified only as Neisef, claims that after he was taken from his home on the outskirts of Baghdad last November and sent to Abu Ghraib, Americans made him disrobe and attached electrical wires to his genitals. He claims he was shocked three times. Although a vein in his penis ruptured and he had blood in his urine, he says, he was refused medical attention. In another session, Neisef claims, he was held down by two men while a uniformed woman forced him to have sex with her. "I was crying," said Neisef, 28. "I felt like my whole manhood was gone." The class action also claims that detainees were raped in prison. On June 6, Neisef was released, after a U.S. civilian told him, he says, that he had been wrongly accused by informants. A U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad confirms that a prisoner with Neisef's ID number was released on that date, and TIME has obtained a copy of his release order. But the Pentagon would not comment on the specifics of Neisef's account. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040628-655389,00.html

Isn't it sad that this ABSURD allegation wasn't dismissed outright by the press as being ludicrous?

 

OK, kids, I've NEVER heard of a case where a woman can rape a man like that --- as the man will actually require SOME stimulation to be ABLE to be raped. If he was "crying" and his "manhood was gone" --- he WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IT UP.

 

So, these allegations, CLEARLY, are crossing into the absurd. How long until that actually gets mentioned?

-=Mike

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Isn't it sad that this ABSURD allegation wasn't dismissed outright by the press as being ludicrous?

 

So, you want the Press to come right out and show bias towards one side in a story instead of just reporting it?

 

"He also claimed to have been raped by a few women, but we know he's lying"

 

OK, kids, I've NEVER heard of a case where a woman can rape a man like that --- as the man will actually require SOME stimulation to be ABLE to be raped.

 

since it's impossible to insert a non-erect penis into a vagina and all.

 

If he was "crying" and his "manhood was gone"

 

I'd think the manhood part wasn't literal.

 

So, these allegations, CLEARLY, are crossing into the absurd. How long until that actually gets mentioned?

 

I'm thinking these allegations won't really be mentioned too much in general, no matter how 'evil' the press is. And i'm sure some column writer will stand up and say that, if needed

[Guest MikeSC]

Isn't it sad that this ABSURD allegation wasn't dismissed outright by the press as being ludicrous?

So, you want the Press to come right out and show bias towards one side in a story instead of just reporting it?

 

"He also claimed to have been raped by a few women, but we know he's lying"

Treat the allegation like the bad joke it is and rip his lawyer a new one for bringing up such a bloody asinine case.

If he was "crying" and his "manhood was gone"

I'd think the manhood part wasn't literal.

Hell, these men are hostile for a reason. It might BE literal.

So, these allegations, CLEARLY, are crossing into the absurd. How long until that actually gets mentioned?

I'm thinking these allegations won't really be mentioned too much in general, no matter how 'evil' the press is. And i'm sure some column writer will stand up and say that, if needed

Well, TIME is reporting it. That's not exactly an unknown publication.

-=Mike

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Treat the allegation like the bad joke it is and rip his lawyer a new one for bringing up such a bloody asinine case.

 

"Media bias is good when it's against people I dislike!"

 

Well, TIME is reporting it. That's not exactly an unknown publication.

 

And we'll see if it sticks too.

[Guest MikeSC]

Treat the allegation like the bad joke it is and rip his lawyer a new one for bringing up such a bloody asinine case.

 

"Media bias is good when it's against people I dislike!"

 

Well, TIME is reporting it. That's not exactly an unknown publication.

 

And we'll see if it sticks too.

No, media bias is good when it's done against idiotic things. The media shouldn't even COVER such an idiotic story.

-=Mike

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Unless it's ::gasp!:: true.

[Guest MikeSC]

Unless it's ::gasp!:: true.

Of course, it being true would require one to ignore the whole "Need for an erection" problem.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Yeah.. since you know that when it comes to rape. You can hold the guy down, it's physically impossible to ever put a non-erect penis into a vagina.

 

Or, as this is reported on TheMikeSC-NN:

 

"Meanwhile in Iraq, some crazy Iraqi monkey is claiming that he was raped by a woman. Haha. That's impossible, you stupid fool. In fact, I bet you were in Abu Ghraib for good reason and it doesn't matter what happened, since Saddam's torture rooms are now closed. One last note: He was flaccid. It wasn't happening. And that's my absurd news item of the day.

 

Now, how about that Gamecock football? Haha"

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Easy - the woman stimulated the prisoner enough to produce an erection, then went from there.

 

Saying "this can't possibly be true, Time should be ashamed to report on such an obviously false story" like you're saying is as ridiculous as saying "OMG, all our military are low-life cretins because some participated on abuse of prisoners."

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah.. since you know that when it comes to rape. You can hold the guy down, it's physically impossible to ever put a non-erect penis into a vagina.

 

Or, as this is reported on TheMikeSC-NN:

 

"Meanwhile in Iraq, some crazy Iraqi monkey is claiming that he was raped by a woman. Haha. That's impossible, you stupid fool. In fact, I bet you were in Abu Ghraib for good reason and it doesn't matter what happened, since Saddam's torture rooms are now closed. One last note: He was flaccid. It wasn't happening. And that's my absurd news item of the day.

 

Now, how about that Gamecock football? Haha"

I am so amazed that your blinding hatred for Bush will cause to believe the most ASININE theories and stories about things. It's rather sad.

 

IMPOSSIBLE that a "detainee" would hire a lawyer, sue the gov't over nothing. NOT A CHANCE THAT EVER HAPPENS. Hell, NOBODY sues others for no real reason. Damn, NO company EVER deals with that.

 

I hope the judge disbars the lawyer who brought forth this frivolous suit.

 

BTW, do I even need to ask what NN means?

Easy - the woman stimulated the prisoner enough to produce an erection, then went from there.

OK, think about what you're saying for a moment. To PUNISH this prisoner, they had a female guard AROUSE him --- and then FUCK him. Yup, that'll SHOW HIM!

 

You don't find this story A LITTLE implausible?

 

Do you know how damned moronic your explanation sounds?

Saying "this can't possibly be true, Time should be ashamed to report on such an obviously false story" like you're saying is as ridiculous as saying "OMG, all our military are low-life cretins because some participated on abuse of prisoners."

The story doesn't pass the smell test.

 

If it SMELLS like bullshit --- it probably IS bullshit.

-=Mike

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OK, think about what you're saying for a moment. To PUNISH this prisoner, they had a female guard AROUSE him --- and then FUCK him. Yup, that'll SHOW HIM!

Well, (if true) it seemed to work.

 

You're trying to tell me *rape* isn't torture? I guess I should be relieved you didn't bring up the Bobby Knight "lie back and enjoy it" quote, but I guess I"m a bit taken aback that you don't find rape as being torture/abuse.

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I am so amazed that your blinding hatred for Bush will cause to believe the most ASININE theories and stories about things. It's rather sad.

 

You're the first person to mention Bush here.

 

So, saying "Wait a minute, maybe you're wrong about having the media be biased about this story" or "Maybe it's possible" is now hatred of Bush? Am I going to a camp now to learn to love our President?

 

IMPOSSIBLE that a "detainee" would hire a lawyer, sue the gov't over nothing. NOT A CHANCE THAT EVER HAPPENS. Hell, NOBODY sues others for no real reason. Damn, NO company EVER deals with that.

 

So, you're doubting if he was detained too? unless of course you use quotation marks for something else.

 

It could be exaggerated, but we don't know. And considering the fact that the people at Abu Ghraib didn't just do that, but they were stupid enough to photograph it, it's possible.

 

I hope the judge disbars the lawyer who brought forth this frivolous suit.

 

"And I hope the media laughs about it alot too, because bias is good in that situation!"

 

BTW, do I even need to ask what NN means?

 

News Network.

[Guest MikeSC]

OK, think about what you're saying for a moment. To PUNISH this prisoner, they had a female guard AROUSE him --- and then FUCK him. Yup, that'll SHOW HIM!

Well, (if true) it seemed to work.

 

You're trying to tell me *rape* isn't torture? I guess I should be relieved you didn't bring up the Bobby Knight "lie back and enjoy it" quote, but I guess I"m a bit taken aback that you don't find rape as being torture/abuse.

I'm trying to tell you that this story is bullshit. Complete and total bullshit. Female soldiers would have no interest in FUCKING PRISONERS for any reason.

 

You're saying "If true" --- I'm saying, flat out, it ain't news. Period. It's so absurd a story that to even give it credence as a possible story is insulting to actual news stories.

So, you're doubting if he was detained too? unless of course you use quotation marks for something else.

Actually, yes. I am doubting it. Until it's shows he was, I will continue to do so. You know how often people sue for whiplash in accidents they weren't even involved in?

It could be exaggerated, but we don't know. And considering the fact that the people at Abu Ghraib didn't just do that, but they were stupid enough to photograph it, it's possible.

No, we know. To "humiliate" or "torture" a prisoner, we're not going to have a female AROUSE AND THEN FUCK HIM. That's ridiculous on every conceivable level. I can't imagine a thinking person taking this story as being even POSSIBLY true.

"And I hope the media laughs about it alot too, because bias is good in that situation!"

When it's fucking ludicrous, absolutely. The media should be laughing about it --- and since filing frivolous suits DOES violate legal ethics, punishment should be handed down.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

For our info, from the lawsuit:

 

Plaintiff Neisef (“Plaintiff Neisef”) is an Iraqi who was detained for seven months in Abu Ghraib Prison, Tent No. 7, Camp No. 3, and for five months in Buka Prison. Plaintiff Neisef was tortured, abused, and otherwise mistreated by the Defendants and their co-conspirators

 

(..)

 

SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF WRONGFUL ACTS RELATING TO PLAINTIFF NEISEF

99. The Torture Conspirators detained Plaintiff Neisef without cause in the Abu Ghraib and Buka Prisons.

 

100. During his detention in the Abu Ghraib Prison, the Torture Conspirators tortured Plaintiff Neisef by committing the following acts, among others:

(a) Placing brown mesh bags on his head as they questioned him;

(b) Hitting him on his face and body with heavy military boots if he did not

provide the desired answers;

© Placing him and other male detainees in a room with a naked female detainee

who had a brown mesh bag on her head and who was screaming;

(d) Depriving him of sleep for as much as 48 hours by placing him in a room

with very loud music close to his ears;

(e) Spraying cold water on him and placing him outside in the cold for long

periods of time.

 

101. During his detention in the Buka Prison, the Torture Conspirators committed the following acts, among others:

(a) Stripping him, tying his hands and feet together with other detainees, and

placing them on a dog’s leash and dragging their naked bodies on the hot summer sand;

(b) Hitting him with their heavy boots on his head;

© Forcing him to stand in the hot summer outside with his hands tied behind

his neck for periods between 6 hours to 24 hours without movement, and beating him if he showed any sign of movement or fatigue.

 

102. The Torture Conspirators raped Plaintiff Neisef. A female conspirator placed a hood over his head and called in two other conspirators, who held Neisef down while she raped him. After sexually abusing him for approximately thirty minutes, she left him naked on the floor and told him “it is our job to take your manhood away from you by the time you leave, you son of a bitch.”

 

103. The Torture Conspirators forced Plaintiff Neisef to touch other detainees’ body parts by threatening him with attack dogs. The Torture Conspirators poured cold water on Plaintiff Neisef and the other detainees, wrapped electric wire around their penises, and gave them electric shocks. Plaintiff Neisef started to bleed and suffered a ruptured vein on his penis. The Torture Conspirators refused to tend his wounds.

 

104. The Torture Conspirators again degraded Plaintiff Neisef sexually by forcing him to assume a dog position and by threatening to sodomize him with a stick.

 

105. The Torture Conspirators prevented Plaintiff Neisef from praying. Whenever  he and other detainees tried to pray the religious prayer of salah, the Torture Conspirators would place their heavy boots on their heads and prevent them from lifting their heads off the ground. When asked, “why do you torture us and prevent us from worshipping God?”, the Torture Conspirators answered “you are under our authority, we can do whatever we want with you.”

 

106. Plaintiff Neisef suffered property losses as a result of actions by the Torture

Conspirators. They damaged his house, took $6,000 in cash, $1,000 worth of gold and jewelry.

 

Moving on..

 

Actually, yes. I am doubting it. Until it's shows he was, I will continue to do so. You know how often people sue for whiplash in accidents they weren't even involved in?

 

He could always show you his penis. Since i'd imagine a ruptured vein might stand out.

 

No, we know. To "humiliate" or "torture" a prisoner, we're not going to have a female AROUSE AND THEN FUCK HIM. That's ridiculous on every conceivable level. I can't imagine a thinking person taking this story as being even POSSIBLY true.

 

Is it still rape if the guy is aroused, but doesn't consent to that?

 

The lawsuit cites just a few examples, other than rape.

 

When it's fucking ludicrous, absolutely. The media should be laughing about it

 

"Rape is funny!"

 

I'll have to see if your standards on "when the Media can be biased" are consistant.

 

and since filing frivolous suits DOES violate legal ethics, punishment should be handed down.

 

and we already know it is one right now. With our 'frivolous lawsuit detector!'

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While I do think the abuse scandal is being, shall we say, "over-milked" (it's a new word I just created - basically, I think they've gotten as much blood out of the turnip as they can, and are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for new dirt, if I may use yet another cliched phrase), I have to disagree with Mike about the rape thing.

 

Maybe it's bullshit; but men CAN be raped by women. Sex isn't TOTALLY mental, you know. Hell, you've had "morning wood" before - sometimes your body just reacts, subconsciously. If this guy was stimulated, it's not inconceivable that he did obtain (and possibly sustain) an erection.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm thinking she boo-fooed him with a strapon.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

it's called forcing him to eat her out.

 

That can be classified as sex and it would embaress the fuck out of him.

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Although a vein in his penis ruptured and he had blood in his urine, he says, he was refused medical attention.

That is just plain ol' mean.

 

If anybody attached electric wires to my balls, the first place I would go is the doctor.