Heel figurehead screws face using rules.

[Guest Anglesault]

Like (I would think) most of you, I skipped tonight's PPV because I had better things to do. I saw that Bradshaw is the new champion, and I really couldn't give a shit since I don't watch Smackdown. But I did see one thing that kind of irritates me.

 

Unless I'm just totally misreading the spoilers, it appears that while it looked like Eddy won the match, in reality, Bradshaw really did win the match, as he hit four corners before Eddy.

 

This brings out dastardly evil Kurt Angle, who uses his evil GM powers to totally fuck over babyface Eddie by...

 

using the rules?

 

What the hell?

 

How is that evil and/or wrong of Kurt to do? If Bradshaw won the match and the ref awarded it to Eddy, I think it would be Kurt's responsibility to point this out. Kurt is not evil in doing this because Eddy actually did lose the match!

 

It's the same as that HHH/HBK match from December where Easy E was EVIL~! for not just letting the fact that HBK pinned himself slide.

 

It's a stupid booking plot that serves to make the evil heel authority less evil, and the face in the match look like a total moron. Who does it help?

[Guest JRE]

It's unfair to Eddy because he was the one who had the will in him to make the leap for victory.....Bradshaw just happened to be in a good spot- JBL didn't have it in him to hit the last turnbuckle....he had it in him to stand there and get shoved into the corner.

 

The reason Bischoff and Angle should be hated for this is because they both corrected the decision for personal benefit only. Bischoff because Triple H would have hated Bischoff for not fixing the decision. Angle because he hates Eddy. Angle didn't order Torrie/Sable to continue even though Torrie's shoulders weren't pinned.

 

Switch the roles of Eddy and Bradshaw in the finish of the match...would Angle come award the match to Eddy in the end- no. The heat goes to Angle for his vendetta and his hypocritical nature.

 

But you're making other mistakes in your argument AS...first- Michael Cole and Tazz didn't make comments like "Damn Kurt Angle"...they said "Kurt's right, it sucks for Eddy but he is." So should the fans like Bradshaw because he got pushed into a turnbuckle? Nope. Should the fans hate Eddy because he lost in a technically clean way? Nope, because he was the one with determination.

[Guest Anglesault]

So should the fans like Bradshaw because he got pushed into a turnbuckle? Nope. Should the fans hate Eddy because he lost in a technically clean way? Nope, because he was the one with determination.

I don't think the face should be hated. I think it makes him look like an idiot.

 

HBK is an idiot for pinning himself in that HHH match. Eddy is an idiot for shoving Bradshaw into the corner.

 

I'm not sure why making the face look like an idiot benefits them.

 

The reason Bischoff and Angle should be hated for this is because they both corrected the decision for personal benefit only

 

It shouldn't matter why they are doing it. If a heel is to be evil, he shouldn't be making the technically correct move.

[DangerousDamon 0]

So should the fans like Bradshaw because he got pushed into a turnbuckle?  Nope.  Should the fans hate Eddy because he lost in a technically clean way?  Nope, because he was the one with determination.

I don't think the face should be hated. I think it makes him look like an idiot.

 

HBK is an idiot for pinning himself in that HHH match. Eddy is an idiot for shoving Bradshaw into the corner.

 

I'm not sure why making the face look like an idiot benefits them.

 

The reason Bischoff and Angle should be hated for this is because they both corrected the decision for personal benefit only

 

It shouldn't matter why they are doing it. If a heel is to be evil, he shouldn't be making the technically correct move.

Well, HBK was exhausted when he fell on top of HHH after Superkicking him.

[Der Kommissar 0]

This brings out dastardly evil Kurt Angle, who uses his evil GM powers to totally fuck over babyface Eddie by...

 

using the rules?

 

Well, look at real sports, the referee will make an entirely correct call, and there will be an OUTRAGE by the fans because of it. It may be the correct call, but if it screws their team, the fans will be pissed, and, in some cases, bitch and moan about it even years later. I am not sure if that's what they were going for, but it's a pretty good way to get heat from what I have seen at sporting events.

[Guest El Satanico]

The reason Bischoff and Angle should be hated for this is because they both corrected the decision for personal benefit only

 

It shouldn't matter why they are doing it. If a heel is to be evil, he shouldn't be making the technically correct move.

It helped Bradshaw the heel and it played into heel Angle's hatred of Eddy the face.

 

In this case enforcing the rules is a heel move. Spin it however you'd like, but when Angle does something that helps Bradshaw beat Eddy he's being a heel.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

It's evil because it's a Dusty Finish and nobody likes those. They're a sign of bad booking.

[Guest Dazed]

The referee's decision should be final. Period. Having a video replay, or other referees correcting decisions, or even Angle, Bischoff or whoever overriding decisions shouldn't be happening sometimes.

 

Either the referee's decision should be final, or it should always be open to appeal when incorrect.

 

Does this mean that Angle can come out and change the result of a match whenever he likes? Does he have to prove things? To what standard? It's created a stupid atmosphere where basically Angle can do what he likes, unless it is inconvenient for the storyline. This is WWE's problem - they change the rules to suit the storyline, rather than the other way round.

 

It's not just with referee's decisions, it's everywhere. Royal Rumble rules, for example and whether people can eliminate themselves.

 

Basically, they don't care enough to codify rules for a fake sport, so they just do as they please. Logic is nowhere in WWE.

[evilhomer 0]

It's an evil move because it helped the heel.

 

I actually like this better than the tired old routine of the dastardly evil power figure blatantly breaking the rules to screw the heroic face. Now the face has to come out, face facts that he lost and go out and avenge the loss rather than have fury on the non-wrestler that screwed him over. He can still be pissed with Angle for reversing the decision, but it was a true loss so now he's got to go out and win his belt back from the guy that he's technically never defeated.

[Guest Wondermouse]

It's not just with referee's decisions, it's everywhere. Royal Rumble rules, for example and whether people can eliminate themselves.

The example of this that sticks out in my mind is the 1992 Rumble. For about 20 minutes, Brain and Gorilla go over that you're eliminated when you go over the top, and both feet touch the floor. Then, Savage eliminates himself with a plancha, Taker acts like it's all peachy, and then they tell us "Uhh... you have to be PROPELLED over the top."

 

Anyway, that's off topic, but I guess it's just an example of the horrible continuity in WWE, not just in storylines, but inside the ring itself, and just the WWE making it up as they go along. But it was a strap match, we should've expected a screwy finish. I seem to remember a strap match where Sting splashed his opponent into the fourth corner.

 

As to why it was a heel move, it's because Kurt Angle's just pulling a power play to get the belt on the heel. It doesn't matter if it was technically correct, it's the motivation of the move that counts - he went above and beyond and had a decision reversed simply because it was the heel that was adversely affected by a ref's call.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I was troubled more by how turnbuckle touches could count for two men at the same time.