TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Sources close to the situation have informed me that NWA TNA and Jeff Hardy have been discussing a contract offer, rumored to be a one year deal. Negotiations are said to be going well, with Hardy asking for some stipulations, such as having TNA help push Hardy's band Peroxwhy?gen (which occasionally features Shannon Moore on programming and background vocals). At this point it time, it appears that the sides will come to a deal that will make Hardy a regular for the company. I am guessing TNA plans on wrapping the deal up today, since they are promoting a Hardy update tonight on the PPV. This is good for TNA. If they're going to bring him, bring him in regularly will be good. They can't afford him to work the Sting schedule. It would make them look bush league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I'd argue that having that having that drugged up freak stumbling around the ring would make them look bush league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I'd argue that having that having that drugged up freak stumbling around the ring would make them look bush league. I love how everything makes TNA bush league. (Now every post in this thread mus have "bush league" somewhere in it.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I'm not sure what a bush league is, but it sounds fun. Jeff Hardy sucks though. 100 better guys out there for them to sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Last Free Voice Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Well, I'm not sure If I'm behind this or not. Hardys name will bring in buys, but can he deliver in the ring? TLFV, making TNA bush league since 2002. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Promote his band?? God and I thought the potential of him signing was bad news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 100 better guys out there for them to sign. I want you to name each and every one, or you'll be bush league Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 30, 2004 1.) American Dragon 2.) Kanyon 3.) Spanky 4.) ... I'm out.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 My "bush league" comment was in reference to this big deal TNA is making as to whether or not they'll be able to sign him. If they did that and they he only showed up once or twice a year, then average joe fan will go, "Oh, I guess they couldn't sign him" and it will make them look like the minors, because unless you a net freak, you just don't hear about WWE not being able to sign guys. They make the big deal when they sign guys. I was just talking about from a casual fan prospective, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 My "bush league" comment was in reference to this big deal TNA is making as to whether or not they'll be able to sign him. If they did that and they he only showed up once or twice a year, then average joe fan will go, "Oh, I guess they couldn't sign him" and it will make them look like the minors, because unless you a net freak, you just don't hear about WWE not being able to sign guys. They make the big deal when they sign guys. I was just talking about from a casual fan prospective, that's all. I understand completely. I think they shouldn't let people on without signing a contract, because they do come across as bush league. I just think that bush league gets to be over used in this forum, which makes us look bush league. Seriously, it was just a joke, and I agree with you 100% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I can name a few guys from local indies that would have been better signs than Hardy...although Hardy's drawing power (since his fanbase IS diehard) might say otherwise... Maverick Wild Frankie Arion Michael Sain Eddy Edwards Chris Venom Vertebreaker Mike Thunder (although he's retired now) My cat Chowder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I can name a few guys from local indies that would have been better signs than Hardy...although Hardy's drawing power (since his fanbase IS diehard) might say otherwise... I'd go for Johnny Ova myself. -*forgot Ova was taught about "ring psychology" by Ultimate Warrior once* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stahl 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 1.) American Dragon 2.) Kanyon 3.) Spanky 4.) ... I'm out.... And not a single one of them can draw better than Jeff Hardy. TNA doesn't need better workers right now, they need to be noticed. Jeff Hardy can do that for them since he is still very over in the general wrestling audience and is a huge merchandise seller. Jeff Hardy is the type of person TNA needs. He also wouldn't have an obserd price tag with no return like a Lex Luger. Jeff hardy is to wrestling, what the backstreet boys and NSYNC is to music. Minimal talent with lots of drawing power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Last Free Voice Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Austin Ares Rod Strong (i know he had a dark match) Jimmy Jacobs Nigel McGuinnes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 And not a single one of them can draw better than Jeff Hardy. TNA doesn't need better workers right now, they need to be noticed. Jeff Hardy can do that for them since he is still very over in the general wrestling audience and is a huge merchandise seller. Jeff Hardy is the type of person TNA needs. He also wouldn't have an obserd price tag with no return like a Lex Luger. Jeff hardy is to wrestling, what the backstreet boys and NSYNC is to music. Minimal talent with lots of drawing power. I agree 100%. Signing Hardy is the kind of think that can marks as excited about TNA as the smarks were when they signed Daniels, for instance. TNA needs starpower and Hardy is the kind of guy that can give it to them in spades without destroying the overall product, ala Hogan, Nash and/or Savage. I think this could prove to be a smart signing for TNA as long as they don't break the bank on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet Warfare 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Super Dragon no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Are you guys serious? Hardy can't be that big of a draw. I don't believe it. Did his appearance affect buy-rates or attendence at all? And as for the list: 1) Barbarian 2) Manny Fernandez 3) Jake Roberts OK, I'm bush league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Jeff hardy is to wrestling, what the backstreet boys and NSYNC is to music. Minimal talent with lots of drawing power. Anyone see those two bands around anymore? I'm fine with Jeff if he has cleaned up, even though he is a load of crap. The problem is his fanbase doesn't stay if you have to fire him and they get pissed if you don't push him to the World title. It would be different if he brought in a fanbase that would stay when he would go but his fans are so diehard that Jeff is their Jesus and he can do no wrong. Hopefully he has cleaned up and doesn't, but dear god promoting his band scares the hell out of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Are you guys serious? Hardy can't be that big of a draw. I don't believe it. Did his appearance affect buy-rates or attendence at all? His appearance wasn't promoted in advance. It available as a spoiler on the net, but TNA played it for a surprise, so you can't use the buyrates, which no one knows anyway, of that show as indication of any of his drawing power. The live reaction to Hardy though was incredible. And I'd wager that he'll do more for bringing in new viewers than any singular signing that TNA has made since Raven, considering his rabid fanbase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stahl 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Are you guys serious? Hardy can't be that big of a draw. I don't believe it. Did his appearance affect buy-rates or attendence at all? He wasn't hyped so probably not. But the fact still remains that he is a draw. The ROH show that he appeared on had about 1800 there and alot were to see him. Plus casual fans know who he is. Super Dragon, Danielson, etc are far superior wrestlers, but the casual fan won't know them so they will be nothing and mean nothing. If they were signed they would have to be built up. Jeff Hardy is already over and lots of people, casual fans, already know who he is. Popularity means alot in wrestling. Anyone see those two bands around anymore? Its not the bands that are important, its the boy band image and the whole marketing behind it. Hardy still has a large fan base and can still push merchandise. Hardy equals money in the short term, and possibly in the long term if TNA can grow off of any success he may bring them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 his fans are so diehard that Jeff is their Jesus and he can do no wrong. Where are these frigging people? Somebody show me ONE, much less "tons of drawing power". Jeff was over 5 years ago as a tag wrestler doing big bumps. When we last saw him, he was getting ZERO reaction in a singles push. The guy had 1 hot minute and that has long passed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 had about 1800 there and alot were to see him. BS, they BOO'ed him out of the building. I don't go pay to see a guy I'm gonna boo out of the building. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stahl 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Where are these frigging people? I gave the ROH example as proof of his draw. Also its common sense. Jeff Hardy is more popular then anyone on the indies to the casual fan base. Thus a fan will notice him before some indy worker they bring in because that indy worker will be a "no name". NO indy worker will get the reaction and stir up attention because they have to still be built and marketed. People already know who Jeff Hardy is and he is a HUGE merchandise seller. BS, they BOO'ed him out of the building. I don't go pay to see a guy I'm gonna boo out of the building. Lots did and did you not watch or own the event? Did you not see how many Hardy fan girls there were that just came to see him. The only crowd that can compare with Hardys draw in ROH was the Muta show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Lots did and did you not watch or own the event? No, I don't have access to ROH. I read probably 20 reviews and they all said he got boo'ed entusiastically. Is this info wrong? Also its common sense. Really? So it makes no sense to you that a guy who has never been over as a single, wasn't over when last on TV, and can't work anymore, not to mention "the demons" - isn't gonna make a huge difference in TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Really? So it makes no sense to you that a guy who has never been over as a single, wasn't over when last on TV, and can't work anymore, not to mention "the demons" - isn't gonna make a huge difference in TNA. Now this isn't really a fair assessment b/c the RoH audience is entirely different than the TNA audience. RoH audience is a purely workrate crowd, while TNA's is more a mixture of spotfests/SE. Hardy was booed mercilessly at RoH, but he got the loudest reaction every in the Asylum this past week ('cept maybe Sting's first appearance and I think he may have outdone that), so if you're going to go by audience reactions, it'd probably be better to go by the audience he'll be wrestling in front week after week instead of the audience that he probably will never go in front again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Well, He was on last week, promoted like crazy on Impact, so let's see how big of a draw he is. Any bets? I say he adds no noticable difference to the buyrate or attendence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 Well, He was on last week, promoted like crazy on Impact, so let's see how big of a draw he is. Any bets? I say he adds no noticable difference to the buyrate or attendence. I think you should wait until he has an advertised match before you start counting the bump, or lack thereof. He's not promised to be there tonight, even though he most likely will be. They've just promised an update. This is kinda like when they did the drawn out interview with Sting to have him have a presence on the show without paying him to be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TonyJaymzV1 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 My cat Chowder My ferret would kick your cat's ass anyday man, that'd be a 5 star classic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 30, 2004 I think you should wait until he has an advertised match before you start counting the bump, or lack thereof. He's not promised to be there tonight, even though he most likely will be. They've just promised an update. This is kinda like when they did the drawn out interview with Sting to have him have a presence on the show without paying him to be there. Or we could just continue to make excuse for why he didn't draw this week, won't draw next week, didn't draw in ROH, and didn't draw in WWE. Oh wait, I got it...The guys not a draw. Seriously, now I hope they sign the guy, hang a belt on him and give him the JJ push so that it can be proven once and for all that Jeff Hardy DOES NOT DRAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2004 While I agree that Hardy will bring in casual wrestling fans, I do believe it would benefit them to sign more technical wrestlers. Why? Most of their uppercard consists of pure brawlers or guys who can't put on a strong technical match. They need a Benoit/Guerrero style technical worker to help make everyone else look like they can put on a good match. (Note: The Benoit/Guerrero reference relates to Benoit and Guerrero from 2000-2002, when they consistently put on good matches with talent that was average to above average. Not necessarily current incarnations.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
