Crying over wrestling

[k thx]

IMHO, good wrestling is art, but you could never call Scott Steiner/HHH art.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

It's a shame the rest of the world has a definition that isn't based on quality in anyway. Hopefully one day you can make a dictionary and fill us all in on what we've been missing.

Hahaha, now I understand why Agent has implored us all not to reply to you.

[Slayer]

No one ever respond to Nelly's Bandaid ever again.

Can do

[Guest Dids]

I have a rather high definition of art, so I would consider that recycled, unoriginal music isn't art.

I would consider you something of a snob then.

 

I'm a music snob inasmuch as I think a great deal of it sucks, but I can't stand people who get up on their high horse and proclaim something not to be art because it doesn't meat their standards. Especially when it's some clown who typically doens't even understand the artitistic elements involved in something like hip-hop music.*

 

 

*- not talking about Tyler here, just something that as a hip-hop fan, I run into A LOT.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I suspended him for one hour so that he might learn the value of message board inconvenience. With any luck, he'll pull a Marney and leave forever.

 

I've got to moderate his crap because people actively complain about it as trolling, if he can't take a fucking hint, he's banned then. I really don't have the patience.

[BX]

Your two minutes are up. It seems you can't defend all music as "art".

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Lividity isn't art, it's people being gross for the sake of it. Still music, though.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

I would also argue that a good amount of hip-hop IS art. However, back in the Backstreet Boys era, I would argue that their repackaged, same-as-the-last-song bullshit was not remotely art.

[BX]

Or how about Ace of Base?

 

Every fucking song had the same backbeat. The SAME. Surely this is not the hallmark of a true artist.

[Guest Dids]

Oh, I think it's almost undeniably art by any REASONABLE standard. It's just very shitty, recycled art.

 

I think you make much more sense if you judge the quality of art rather than trying to cast judgements on whether it actually is art or not.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

Eh, it's simply a difference of opinion. I think art has to include some amount of originality to be considered it, whereas you don't. It's something we're never going to agree on, so how about we just laugh at Nelly's suspension and move on?

[LaParkaYourCar]

Then again people paint a canvas one solid color and call it art. I call it doing the minimal effort to get the money, because one day they saw some abstract art and said to themselves, "I can do that and get money for it!?"

[BX]

Wrestling is about as valid an artform as a Velvet Elvis.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

Then again people paint a canvas one solid color and call it art. I call it doing the minimal effort to get the money, because one day they saw some abstract art and said to themselves, "I can do that and get money for it!?"

MY POINT EXACTLY.

[Guest Dids]

Umm... isn't this the same thing as the "shit on a plate" point I made from like two pages ago?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

Yes!

[BX]

That by itself cannot be considered art.

 

However, stick a plastic Jesus statue in the shit, now we're talking!

[LaParkaYourCar]

American Wrestling maybe, but you go over to Japan or Mexico where they still treat it with respect and I can see it as an art form. It's part acting, part dancing (in that it's choreographed and someone may lead or may not), part athleticism, and part storytelling. When they all are evenly mixed it becomes something unique...when they're not...it becomes the equivelent of Abstract Art gone bad.

[Lord of The Curry]

IMHO, good wrestling is art, but you could never call Scott Steiner/HHH art.

I don't think that even the dumbest of WWE fans would go to those lengths.

 

And no, not all wrestling is art, but like LPYC said, some is.

[{''({o..o})''}]

I consider Manos: The Hands of Fate to be a work of art, yet it is terrible in almost every way. Is somebody finds enough appritiation for something, it is art, be it a 2 yr old's crayon drawing or bottles being broken at rthymic intervals.

[k thx]

Imitation of art is not art. You an copy someones painting or song, but that does not make you an artist.

[{''({o..o})''}]

But imitation of chave is still chave.

[LaParkaYourCar]

I consider Manos: The Hands of Fate to be a work of art, yet it is terrible in almost every way. Is somebody finds enough appritiation for something, it is art, be it a 2 yr old's crayon drawing or bottles being broken at rthymic intervals.

I think that depends on what they were trying to do with it.

 

In the case of Manos some guy made a bet that he could take a small budget and make a great horror movie out of it, but instead he made the most boring movie ever. I don't think that the guy who made it would even claim it as art now.

[{''({o..o})''}]

Call it an unintentional artistic endevor in extreme boredom then.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

Since AOO seems to take the bitch route with his modding, I'll be careful and limit myself to one point and one observation:

 

There is a set definition for the word art that has nothing to do with quality or value.

 

And anyone else find it ironic that in a thread about masculinity a mod suspended someone because he couldn't handle discussing it like well....a man? Glad there was something funny about all of that.

[Guest Derek Bailey]

No, he suspended you because you're a stupid cock.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

And your a stupid cock too.

[Guest Dids]

Whoa- Fooster just sonned somebody. Quality.

[Guest Derek Bailey]

And your a stupid cock too.

 

Nonsensical.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

You mean like an irrelevant post calling someone a stupid cock....?