LTP FEEDBACK!

[Stephen Joseph 0]

DAY ONE is currently in Home Entertainment, or should be...soon

 

DAY TWO will be up by 8 pm EST

 

for the record, thats four hours from now

 

Popick

 

Oh yeah, credits appear on day two.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

You're gonna have to have me send you the LTP logo because you posted the whole frontpage of the website.

 

EDIT: I'm guessing you plan on posting Day 2 whether Jay's match is there or not huh? Because you spoiled who won it.

 

SJ why is Rick's day two promo on day 1?????

[Stephen Joseph 0]

took care of your problem

 

and yeah, thats the plan since we havent heard anything from him

 

just transmission problems

 

EDIT:

LTP fully posted at 7:10

Edited August 1, 2004 by Stephen Joseph

[Hoff 0]

Jesus, why did you post that? Part 2 was a shambles. It would have been worth waiting a day or two so we could get everything in order.

[NYU 0]

Agreed. Many things just didn't seem to flow at all. Cappa goes through absolute hell in his Hell-in-the-Cell match with Drek Stone.....has dried blood smeared all over his face.....is completely exhausted........then is suspiciously fine for the next segment with Stephen Joseph.

 

The Axel thing.....well.....that came out of nowhere, when it could have actually been a VERY powerful return for Axel. And the end of the Emperor of Death tournament? It probably could have used something else besides "HOFF WON THE TOURNAMENT", then a quick cut to something else.

 

I don't know. It just seems like Part II was slapped together in a very odd way. Things weren't where they should have been, parts of it were thrown out of order, noticeable continuity errors....as much as I wanted Part II up tonight, I would have definitely understood if you decided to take a little longer to make sure everything was set up well.

 

The matches were tonight were excellent. I'll write my full thoughts on that later. But the pacing of the show....well, I have some issues with it. Including how my own segments were treated, but this isn't the time or the place for that.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

I had several people asking me to post it tonight. It's difficult for me to make sense of the show, especially the tournament, when im missing alot of matches when im trying to write everything i need to write Friday night.

 

It isn't my fault alot of the stuff wasn't in on time

Edited August 2, 2004 by Stephen Joseph

[Hoff 0]

Then make a better judgement call. Damn, I'm not trying to be mad, but explain to people that a lot of things will be ruined if the show goes up without everything in.

 

Nothing flowed at all, and things just seemed to come from nowhere. From a personal standpoint I feel totally abused, as this was supposed to be a HUGE night for me, not to mention the MONTHS of thought and prep work Adam and I put in to it. He wrote the best damn return I'd ever seen, and it's not even there. I actually think I feel worse for Adam than I do for myself, because Axel's return was just fucked up so royally.

 

I dunno, whatever. At this point, it's pretty ruined, so I don't really even care if it's fixed. Hopefully we can salvage something on HD.

 

EDIT: Hell, fuck that. Delete it and post it again, before anyone else sees. Or if you don't want to post it again, ask another mod. Hell, I'LL post it. Anything to make that better than...THAT.

 

Stephen I'm not trying to be an asshole, although I'm sure I am. This just really bothers me.

[Patty O'Green 0]

Panther/Hand was bad ass! What a match! And the end with Tina was soooooo touching. Papa's done a sweet job of keeping that whole Panther/Bryte feud running strong.

 

The tag team title match was well done as was Sly/Calvin. I liked the ending to the world title match. It came off much better then I thought it would when Zack first told me about it.

 

As the person who thought of the PPV in a prison idea, I must say you all did a lovely job of working the prison theme into your matches. Bravo!

 

What was up with the EOD final? It looked like it was only half finished. Really abrupt. I take it that wasn't supposed to be the whole match. Oh well, nice to see that Hoff won.

Edited August 2, 2004 by Patty O'Green

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Hoff,

 

Here was my situation

 

Everything was due to my Friday at midnight. Friday Night I was missing 3 opening round EOD matches, and about half of the rest of the EOD on Saturday.

 

This due date had been announced for a month. I had stuff to do Friday evening, I had a swing dance to go work. Saturday, my free time was during the day , even though I was moving futons all morning, I still managed to get to my computer and see if anyone sent me anything

 

I got nothin Saturday. I chilled with my friends as planned Saturday night, cause I'm not letting an e-fed keep me from a social life. I come back around 4am, and I've got a promo.

 

Today, Chuck got me his match. he edited it in. I received Nothing from Jay, who had three matches. And to top it all off, I had no idea what the format of the EOD tournament was, nor the brackets, and basically had to piece the entire tournament together since I didn't know what was what. It would have been really really helpful had someone sent me a quich cheat sheet of what it was going to look like, that someone would have been its organizer, and I don't know who this is.

 

So I see people asking for it to be posted, I get about 5pms, and 4 instant messages, and today I had other errands to run. So I did what I could.

 

You want to be upset? Be upset at the people who didn't honor your effort and the effort of everyone else by not submitting stuff on time. I cannot, nor can Tony, nor can anyone who posts HD, be expected to produce quality work when we do not have what we need when we need it bye. I did the best that I could trying to fit extra time I didn't have this weekened into it.

 

So that's my statement.

[Hoff 0]

Fuck, fair enough. I don't know what happened. All I know is that if there's any way to "correct" it, I'd like that a lot.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

oh, and I should mention I only received half of the hoff/axel match

i never got the beginning

 

if you have a problem as big as what you had, pm or find me online to ask...ive been talking with several people online about whats gone on this past wekend.

 

EDIT

 

if you want to correct it, the first thing is too fill in the three missing matches the tourney has

and the intros for the HOFF/AXEL match

 

I did fix the error of Cappa.

Edited August 2, 2004 by Stephen Joseph

[Hoff 0]

Ugh, I dunno. Either stuff can be edited in, or it can't. If it can, then by all means, do it. But if this is how it went down, I can accept that.

 

Oh, also. Gunner/Rick Edwards was a SEMIFINAL match, not a quarterfinal. It was clear that Rick was in the semis. Yet Gunner/Rick was BEFORE Gunner/Jackson. That was just plain confusing.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

If I get stuff, I'll edit

 

Everything I got is what ya see, plus the covering stuff I did. The HOFF/CALVIN convo where Calvin bows out of EOD is a cover cause I didnt get that match....Kinda sucks not to have a semifinal. I dont know who was supposed to write it

[Hoff 0]

I figured that was a cover. That actually didn't bother me too much because it made sense -- hell, I figured maybe that was the direction that was decided on at the last minute or something.

[Chuck Woolery 0]

... who was supposed to write that match, anyhow? I didn't even know I was supposed to be in the semis until, well, you made that post -- I was under the impression I was bowing out to Sly. I suppose that's my fault for not checking in with Sly, but there's a lot of disorganization that went into this PPV, myself included and probably placed on high for all to stone.

 

Anyway... yeah, who was supposed to write that match? I'm curious, now.

[NYU 0]

I did fix the error of Cappa.

What?!

 

Nothing was fixed. It now makes even less sense. The whole purpose of the match is that Cappa is a super face. The fans DESPERATELY want to cheer Cappa and see him overcome Drek Stone, a guy that's made The Mad Cappa's life a living hell for the past three months.

 

Now, suddenly, Cappa reveals himself to be a member of INTEN5E and, for all intents and purposes, is pretty much heel. Why in the hell would the fans be cheering him as if he was a super face in the match immediately after Cappa's revelation? Not only that, but it seriously takes away from Cappa's hero celebration. He finally overcame Drek Stone, he finally won back his Italian Championship, he finally did all that.....but is bringing the gold back to Stephen Popick? That goes FAR, FAR away from the feel-good ending I was shooting for with that.

 

And, just so we're sure....even if the INTEN5E revelation comes AFTER the Drek/Cappa match, suddenly my Hell-in-the-Cell blowoff becomes insignificant. Almost as if it never happened because, only a few minutes later, Cappa has dropped everything - his joy over beating Drek, his celebration with his fans - to become a member of Popick's stable.

 

I don't understand this. I've been controlling Cappa's character for the past three months, trying to really build up this feud to be something special. Tonight was the culmination of the entire thing. And it got pushed to the side for Cappa to suddenly become a heel. And I wasn't even notified of what was going on, despite the fact that, again, I had been controlling Cappa's character since April. It would have been nice if I had at least been hinted at to the direction of where Cappa's character would be going that night, so I could plan the match accordingly. The way it looks right now, it doesn't really make any sense AND it takes away from the significance of what the Hell-in-the-Cell match SHOULD have been.

 

Sorry, but I worked hard on building the Cappa/Drek feud for the huge blow-off match tonight - and, in only a matter of minutes, it wound up losing all of its importance.

[Hoff 0]

... who was supposed to write that match, anyhow?  I didn't even know I was supposed to be in the semis until, well, you made that post -- I was under the impression I was bowing out to Sly.  I suppose that's my fault for not checking in with Sly, but there's a lot of disorganization that went into this PPV, myself included and probably placed on high for all to stone.

 

Anyway... yeah, who was supposed to write that match?  I'm curious, now.

...My understanding is Jay...but, fuck if I know for sure. I offered to write it and was told it was covered, I think by Jay. I don't know.

 

Here's how it was supposed to go down: Cal over Sly in the quarters, and Hoff over Jay. Then Hoff and Cal look at the matchups and see they're paired up. Cal convinces Hoff to do the big fingerpoke o' doom, but once they get out there, Hoff refuses and the match is on.

 

If you didn't want to do that, that would have been fine -- I was under the assumption you knew. Silly me.

[Patty O'Green 0]

For completion's sake, I'll see if I can write Jay/Jackson and edit it in when I'm done.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Okay...

 

Now here we go again. I don't know what you've talked to Cappa about, but he and I keep in touch.

 

Here ya go.

 

I was wondering that maybe after LTP (like possibly for Angle Slam), we can possibly feud or least have a match because I would actually like to work with you since there is some sort of history. And possibly, for the response for your character that he can't compete due to injuries, I can respond that I've came back from a potentially career ending beatdowns and I've managed to overcome it even though the doctors said I wouldn't be able to wrestle again.

 

It's just an idea that I had since we had never faced each other and it's a fresh matchup. If you don't want to do it or you already had something else to do, that's ok. PM me back what you think about it.

 

 

It also maybe be for the Italian title.

 

-Alex

 

 

I *Did* have you pegged for something involving myself and a few other people starting after this June. You however, played the reluctant ally. I see no reason why you and I can't feud after angleslam

 

How about we try and get a tag match for AS against some other tag team (GPX?) I don't know which one of us is more heel *haven't read your feud with Drek that much, sorry, been very busy* but one of us can turn on the other.

 

With your permission, I'd like to use Cappa in an angle culminating at LTP...I think you'll like it and we can take our interaction from there?

 

-Steve

 

I'm so sorry that I forgot to respond. I was wondering just what were you doing because I've been thinking on my character direction for after LTP. I'm still currently a face, but I'm more thinking of doing a heel turn (and if that happens, I got one hell of a promo to back it up). That's just an idea though. I'm still thinking though.

 

-Alex

 

After that, we talked about what Cappa could do. But thats the largest PM I have right now, I had clean out alot. This was June 30th

 

So, how's about NOT yelling at me in public and instead asking me in private what happened. Cappa(Alex) wanted this turn.

[caboose 0]

Where are the Thunderbirds when you need them?

[Hoff 0]

Northie, it wasn't even supposed to be Jay/Jackson. It was supposed to be Gunner/Jackson (which is written), Cal/Sly, and Hoff/Jay. If it's Jay/Jackson, that leaves Hoff/Gunner as a quarterfinal match.

[NYU 0]

I do not see anything in those PMs that suggest that the heel turn should happen immediately after the Drek Stone/Mad Cappa blowoff. I don't see anything that suggests the heel turn should happen immediately before the blowoff either.

 

I'm not yelling at you. Trying to embarrass you in public was never my intention. But I'm really disappointed with how everything turned out. That really was supposed to have the feel-good, hero-like ending of the Mad Cappa finally defeating Drek Stone. But, with Cappa suddenly joining INTEN5E in only a matter of minutes, the entire thing has been tainted. Like I said, I worked hard on this feud - and the Hell in a Cell match, in particular - and, at this point, the entire thing looks insignificant. Because, suddenly, Cappa has turned heel.

 

I still think it would have been nice if you could have at least PMed me a few days ago and just told me what you had planned for Cappa after the match. Like I said, I had been controlling his character for three months - I had laid out the entire feud in such a way that it would have a really positive ending - but suddenly found myself shellshocked because the attention was QUICKLY taken away from the blowoff match I had built up.

 

Again, the purpose of this isn't to embarrass you. Perhaps you're right, and it might have been better to PM you with this. But either way, I still am really am disappointed right now with the effects the INTEN5E segments had on my match, and I wanted to make that known. I don't know why the Cappa portion of the INTEN5E revelation couldn't have waited for HeldDown.

[Chuck Woolery 0]

Here's how it was supposed to go down: Cal over Sly in the quarters, and Hoff over Jay. Then Hoff and Cal look at the matchups and see they're paired up. Cal convinces Hoff to do the big fingerpoke o' doom, but once they get out there, Hoff refuses and the match is on.

 

If you didn't want to do that, that would have been fine -- I was under the assumption you knew. Silly me.

Okay, now that I think about it I think I was told that was the plan, but then the wires got crossed somewhere or... blah, I don't know. I don't know why Jay was assigned to a match he wasn't even in -- that makes little sense to me, but hindsight is twenty/twenty, I suppose.

 

I did like the idea, though. But one of us definitely should have written it.

[Patty O'Green 0]

Northie, it wasn't even supposed to be Jay/Jackson. It was supposed to be Gunner/Jackson (which is written), Cal/Sly, and Hoff/Jay. If it's Jay/Jackson, that leaves Hoff/Gunner as a quarterfinal match.

 

Well then, I guess I won't waste my time!

 

EDIT: Damn you two for posting mere seconds before me!

Edited August 2, 2004 by Patty O'Green

[Hoff 0]

Where are the Thunderbirds when you need them?

They are go.

[Hoff 0]

Here's how it was supposed to go down: Cal over Sly in the quarters, and Hoff over Jay.  Then Hoff and Cal look at the matchups and see they're paired up.  Cal convinces Hoff to do the big fingerpoke o' doom, but once they get out there, Hoff refuses and the match is on.

 

If you didn't want to do that, that would have been fine -- I was under the assumption you knew.  Silly me.

Okay, now that I think about it I think I was told that was the plan, but then the wires got crossed somewhere or... blah, I don't know. I don't know why Jay was assigned to a match he wasn't even in -- that makes little sense to me, but hindsight is twenty/twenty, I suppose.

 

I did like the idea, though. But one of us definitely should have written it.

Well...I suppose one of us could still. I, apparently, have to write Hoff vs. Darring...but if you wanted to write Hoff/Cal, you could...or I could do BOTH...sure, just lay all the work on me...it's not like I don't have enough to do...never mind taking care of YOUR children...

 

*has an emotional breakdown*

 

But we COULD always write it tonight or tomorrow and have it edited in, I suppose. I don't know, I'm still a little mixed up.

[NYU 0]

On the positive side, that was quite the Superfly Splash from Hoff.

 

.....

 

.....

 

.....just trying to be upbeat!

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Okay...

 

I edited the rounds after talking with hoff to get the gunner matches in the right order...i moved the hoff/calvin cover so parkas stuff makes sense.

 

Lesson: Stuff=On time

 

I need dinner.

[Phoenix Fury Legdrop 0]

Here's how it was supposed to go down: Cal over Sly in the quarters, and Hoff over Jay.  Then Hoff and Cal look at the matchups and see they're paired up.  Cal convinces Hoff to do the big fingerpoke o' doom, but once they get out there, Hoff refuses and the match is on.

 

If you didn't want to do that, that would have been fine -- I was under the assumption you knew.  Silly me.

Okay, now that I think about it I think I was told that was the plan, but then the wires got crossed somewhere or... blah, I don't know. I don't know why Jay was assigned to a match he wasn't even in -- that makes little sense to me, but hindsight is twenty/twenty, I suppose.

 

I did like the idea, though. But one of us definitely should have written it.

Jay was assigned to it since he came up with the stipulations, and I think he was the only person involved in the whole thing who both understood his concept (Burning House of Death) or had the time.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

NY,

 

I honestly thought Cappa and you had been talking and you kinda knew he was thinking of going heel.

 

Sorry I never asked.