Raw in Exile

[Guest Loss]

Anyone else find the concept of "putting oneself over" in a wrestling folder ironic, if not very funny?

 

I do understand that it's not a total blackhole of humor in there (otherwise I would be gone), but I think the things for which people are being booted for is rather asinine

 

Also, what Rudo said above

Yes, I do think it's both ironic and very funny. If people notice you, that's fine. But there are too many people on this board (in every folder) that are more concerned with getting attention than they are contributing to the topic. I wish I could make sense of it.

 

Czech was not booted for making the "sensible" jokes. He was booted for doing it after being asked not do it anymore. He received instruction from a mod and directly went against it. I'll ask, for the third time, what we're supposed to do in that situation.

[Slayer 0]

I've decided to change my name to "Triple Slay" and put myself over the entire WWE folder. I'm crowning myself the WWE folder champion and keeping myself in the forefront of every discussion. Also, whenever I'm not in the forum, all the other board members should be asking "Where's Slayer?"

 

And Loss, tomorrow you'll be jobbing to Downhome

[NYU 0]

Just for my own personal interest:

 

Why did the Sensible Randy Orton stuff NEED to die anyway? Why was the stuff not even allowed in a One and Only Raw thread? Everyone was making jokes about Gene Snitsky killing Lita's baby - certainly stuff that could be construed as offtopic AND offensive - but Czech was singled out for combining Randy Orton with the Snitsky material. Why?

 

What harm was exactly being done there?

 

In essence, this is about a moderator taking a completely harmless topic and screaming "You are not allowed to talk about this anymore!" I don't think I've ever seen such blatant control issues on this board - ever.

 

What are you supposed to do in this instance? Realize that it is incredibly stupid that Nik is allowed to decide what ideas posters are allowed to talk about in the WWE Folder - and which ideas will earn an immediate banning.

 

Making fun of miscarriages - OKAY!

 

Saying that Randy Orton is sensible - WHOA, WHOA, WHOA BUDDY! YOU JUST EARNED YOURSELF A BANNING!

 

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

[Guest Loss]

Again, he was not banned for what he said, he was banned because he was told to stop and he didn't. Nik asked him to knock it off because Coffey and other posters were complaining that they wanted to talk about RAW.

 

We have to be consistent. If someone is asked to stop doing something and continues to do it anyway, we have no choice but to take action. Had the Orton stuff stopped when Nik said for it to stop, no one would have been banned.

 

The miscarriage jokes probably shouldn't be happening either. I'm thinking that if we lock the board during RAW, a lot of this will stop and maybe, just maybe, people will think before posting.

 

And Slayer, that post was a fine example of putting yourself over actually. Don't really have anything interesting to say? Well, just make a post talking about yourself and how great you are, and watch the attention come at you. That's essentially what the "Sensible Randy Orton" stuff was.

[alfdogg 0]

I've decided to change my name to "Triple Slay" and put myself over the entire WWE folder. I'm crowning myself the WWE folder champion and keeping myself in the forefront of every discussion. Also, whenever I'm not in the forum, all the other board members should be asking "Where's Slayer?"

 

And Loss, tomorrow you'll be jobbing to Downhome

...

 

*gets nachos*

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I understand if other posters were concerned over the "joke" that the joke should be stopped, but how much protest are we talking about exactly? Coffey doesn't count because, well, he's Coffey; He's the resident Old-Man-On-The-Porch of TSM. Not to give out any names, but I'd like to hear what the negative responses constituted of, because I imagine those who enjoyed it probably outnumber those who don't. With something like this I think it's a black and white issue - people either like it or they don't. So in other words, you either allow it or you don't. Because what you want is a "... Joke Thread", and that totally kills the joke. Again, if there is an overwhelming concern and it's ruining a thread, then fine, stop it. But if there's just a few people complaining and it's generally harmless, I don't really see the reason to get uptight about it.

 

The Sensible Randy Orton stuff wasn't about how great we are, if that were the case, then every parody ever made is about how great one is. If our intent were to "get over", then you'd see stuff like this every week. But you don't. It happens maybe 4-6 times a year. Tomko/Fertig, Cena Christmas Carol, WWE Unscripted, the Controversial Trish Stratus 50 year old Black Woman, Steve Urkel Raw GM, and Sensible Randy Orton. That's all I can recall in the last year and none of them were planned, none of them had a plan, and I can't recall any of them hurting any discussion. I think Coffey didn't enjoy any of them, but again, it's Coffey.

 

Closing down the WWE Forum during Raw is absolutely silly. When RAW starts to suck for me (which tends to be every RAW), I usually go to this board instead. I can't imagine why you'd want to shut down the forum when its one of the biggest "draws" on here. But then again, this conversation *is* taking place in Staff Only, where most of the staff doesn't even go in the WWE Folder anymore and a lot of them look down on it, so I guess that explains it.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

As a point of reference, CRZ closes down the wrestling forum on his board while Raw airs (Eastern time).

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

As a point of reference, this is TheSmartMarks. I can't stand this "we have to be like other boards" mentality.

[Guest Loss]

Other wrestling boards are actively good. This one is not, or at least it rarely is. Having to fight with other posters every step of the way just to create a good folder makes me wonder why I even try, especially since the best posters are typically the ones I'm fighting with the most, which saddens me.

 

Joking takes place at CRZ's board, tOA, DVDVR and WCMB, but here, that's seemingly ALL that takes place. Without looking, if I scanned the first page of the WWE folder right now, I'm likely to find maybe five really good, insightful, informative posts. The rest? One-liners, jokes and flaming. Do you not see the problem with that? Any reason you think Dave Meltzer posts at Wrestling Classics instead of TSM? Or any reason you think Bryan Alvarez posted at tOA instead of TSM? Any reason you think wrestlers post at Wrestling Classics instead of TSM? Hell, even Debbie Malenko posts at Smarkschoice. DVDVR is generally populated by people who know what they're talking about. tOA and Spidertwist definitely are. It's because we have a rep as the ugly bastard stepchild of 411, and that's something I'd like to change over time.

 

The board is going to be what it's going to be though, but as long as I'm a mod, I'm going to do the job how I think it should be done. Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to take anything up with Nik privately or in feedback? How did it go if you did? As Rudo can vouch, I am capable of compromising and listening to suggestions.

 

Of course, I think Rudo seems me as the John McAdam to his Frank Jewett, but oh well.

 

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"I like L4W. We've known each other for years. I'd invite him to King of Waffles III if he'd let me" - Frank Rudo

 

I see the "joking" atmosphere of TSM to be unique. At least, the goofy shit TCR, NYU, and Co. do as unique. I see it as a throwback to the GH and Joe days where there would be the Jericho Curse, Baby Dean Malenko, and T-Rex Arms Chris Benoit. I miss those days, because I really enjoyed them. I don't find anything like that anywhere else but here. Each board has it's own style of humour, and this one matches mine the best. It's not what I come here for, but its a nice bonus.

 

I never saw CRZs board as anything special, I like TOA and DVDVR, and I haven't been to WCMB in ages because, well, they're "style" isn't very compatible with mine. Arguing the word "Workrate", to me, is retarded and they are way too set in their ways to the point where I can't possibly learn anything over there. I have an account at DVDVR and I lurk a lot at TOA; I don't want TSM to be like theirs because I already go there, I don't need another one.

 

The great thing about this board, in my opinion, is that it is very easy to make it your own. If you want the insightful discussion, you can make it. This is how that forum works - every news piece is posted and if you want to discuss it you can. I don't see that anywhere else. I love the amount of possible discussion you can get from here, you just have to open it up.

 

 

Do you not see the problem with that?

 

No. I think it's the nature of the beast. TSM has a lot more topics than most places, which I prefer, so its going to get watered down. It, however, isn't necessarily anti-intellectual. It isn't an environment where thoughtful posts are shot down or shunned. It's just a matter of whether or not you want to make them.

 

Any reason you think Dave Meltzer posts at Wrestling Classics instead of TSM?

 

Probably because he doesn't know TSM exists, and that his general rule is not to post on message boards. He has said in the past he shouldn't be posting at WC either. I imagine because the owners of the site has been affiliated with wrestling in some capacity over the years and has housed names such as Lou Thesz and Jack Briscoe that he sees it fit to post there. I know Dames is pretty popular 'round here and is a nice guy and such, but I don't think his name carries over very well beyond that.

 

Or any reason you think Bryan Alvarez posted at tOA instead of TSM?

 

Probably because we don't care about Bryan Alvarez and the boys at TOA do. Hey, I love TOA and hold some of the opinions over there in the highest regard about wrestling, and when it does have good wrestling discussion it's the best on the net. The key thing there, for me, is "when", which isn't as often as I'd like. I imagine JDW's affilation with Meltzer has something to do with it, and I believe they (the group) have been in contact (with Bryan) over the years regarding various things (I recall one of them saying they've mailed him on different occasions). But TSM can't be TOA. Not without an insane amount of bannings and A LOT less threads, and even then it wouldn't be the same.

 

 

Any reason you think wrestlers post at Wrestling Classics instead of TSM?

 

Loss, you of all people dropping what wrestlers think in this thread? With the mentioning of TOA and SpiderTwist, I'm amazed you think that would carry value. Again, the connections of those who run the site outweigh the content.

 

Hell, even Debbie Malenko posts at Smarkschoice.

 

I've been a lil suspect of that, not that I care enough to investigate further.

 

DVDVR is generally populated by people who know what they're talking about.

 

I think there's just as much fluff over at DVDVR as there is here. It's just different kinds of fluff - plus their wrestling folder has ALL wrestling in it, not just WWE.

 

tOA and Spidertwist definitely are.

 

Yes, the people at both boards "know what they're talking about", but how often do they "talk"? That's an issue. The main draw of ST is the monthly dumbass thread, which I enjoy, but that's as far as regular discussion goes. The second best thing is the review thread, and that keeps getting shorter and shorter as the dumbass thread gets longer and longer.

 

It's because we have a rep as the ugly bastard stepchild of 411, and that's something I'd like to change over time.

 

I have never heard that nor do I even care about it. Message Board Reputation isn't exactly what's on my mind when I post. Have _you_ ever wondered why what shows up on WWE TV is awfully similar to some of the posts on this board? (which is something that I like to point out often... THAT, is me trying to get over )

 

The board is going to be what it's going to be though, but as long as I'm a mod, I'm going to do the job how I think it should be done. Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to take anything up with Nik privately or in feedback? How did it go if you did? As Rudo can vouch, I am capable of compromising and listening to suggestions.

 

Loss, you're probably my favourite mod and tend to be open to suggestion more than anyone else. I _like_ that you want to better the forum, but I don't like your reasons. Aspiring to be like other boards is ridiculous, because we should aspire to be different. To be unique. I "fight" because I want to keep the parts of this place that I like, which make it unique. You shouldn't look at that as me getting in your way of making this place better, because we both want that. The fact that we're having these discussions, ultimately, is a good thing. It's a shame that we're always the ones having it, and I honestly don't know why everyone else doesn't care. I know it's just a messageboard, but if you add it up, its a part of your life, whether that makes you lame or not, and everyone should at least have an opinion on where it is and where it should be.

[Guest Loss]

I feel like something has been accomplished just now. Until now, I don't know that the entire counterargument has really sunk in very much to me. I think I totally get it now.

 

There are some things that need to be made different than they are, and there are some things that need to be left alone. I think a light bulb just went off and I understand the differences a little more.

 

Thank you, Rudo. Not only do I totally understand where you're coming from now (and everyone else, I'm presuming), but I'm excited that you'd have me over for waffles, even if being your JRM implies that I'd foot the bill. Such is life.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

1 thing about the weekly Raw thread - anyone going into the thread expecting 100% serious discussion about the show is either: a) new to the board, or b) clueless. The Raw thread is 90% joking/1-liners/laughing at the product/running commentary, and that's n ever going to change. People looking for anything else in those threads is kidding themselves, and trying to rectify that will be an exercise in futility.

 

That's not to say you shouldn't try to keep 99% of the other threads on the up & up, because nobody wants to see every thread descend into a series of jokes, but how often does that happen? Not very often. The Raw thread should just be left to its own devices, because it's usually abandoned by the time Wed. rolls around. If something major happens, or if someone wants to have a serious discussion about the show as a whole, they can start a new thread.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Damn, quite the discussion occured here didn't it, and it seems something positive came out of it to boot. Wonderful.

 

I'm glad to stand on both sides of the fence. I do throw out one-liners alot, but I do try to bring the content when I feel the need to, which is getting more and more frequent.

[Slayer 0]

And Slayer, that post was a fine example of putting yourself over actually.

Did I mention that tonight, you'll be laying down for me?

[Guest Loss]

You wish.

 

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

How many times do I have to say that if we're being anyone, that *I'm* the HHH here. I AM RRR! It works so perfectly. Now-uh, you will-uh, uh-uh, put me over-uh, Jim Loss-uh.

 

"Bah Gawd Triple R is the best in the business."

 

Now you Ric Slayer-uh

 

"WOOO! Greatest poster ever Triple R! I may be a 16 time World Champ, but you're the champ! WOOO!"

[alfdogg 0]

*gets nachos*

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"Oh, and Rando Orton, I will-uh, kill the Legend Killer-uh"

[The Amazing Rando 0]

and THERE went my Mt. Dew.

 

 

 

dammit. *poses and smiles*

 

HEY (Hey)! SORRY 'BOUT THAT SPRAY (Spray)!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I am desperately trying to find a Batista "in" to complete our "Meh-volution".

 

"Meh-volution is a mystery

Passionate with Apathy"

[The Amazing Rando 0]

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[Australian Pride 0]

There is no room for Sensible Randy posts because it distracts from the flow of the Benoit verbal (or should that be written) blowjob posts.

If you think Benoit is overrated, start a thread explaining why. But don't take a victim stance against the entire folder just because most of them manage to be of the opinion that Chris Benoit is fucking great.

Where did I say he was overrated? He's just over-talked about.

 

And how many people are just Benoit bandwagon jumpers because they want to be part of the 'cool' gang? A lot of people like Benoit, and for good reason because he's a fantastic wrestler, but a lot of people also don't want to be left out so they just follow the line. That leads to Benoit overkill.

Edited September 24, 2004 by Australian Pride

[Steviekick 0]

I am desperately trying to find a Batista "in" to complete our "Meh-volution".

 

"Meh-volution is a mystery

Passionate with Apathy"

I can be Stebiekickista. I'm still worthless but have the superstar look!

[The Mandarin 0]

Once Scott Norton joins Evolution, I'm all set.

 

glennsoe is my Ice Train.

 

Or any reason you think Bryan Alvarez posted at tOA instead of TSM?

We're all out of cake.

[Steviekick 0]

I don't see what the big fuss about getting the big name IWCrs posting over here and how that would make this a better board. Why not we develop our own top posters and environment?

[Slayer 0]

I too got a big chuckle about Loss saying that we need to get prominent IWCers/wrestlers here, like TSM is some kind of business and we're trying to attract clientele rather than some site where a bunch of guys who like wrestling like to come and bullshit about wrestling/life/etc.

 

Besides, with this being the internet, how could we sell it, anyway

 

"TSM: Proud site of a poster who we have reasonable cause to believe could possibly be, in fact, Dave Meltzer"

 

"TSM: The probable home of the guy who might clean Vince McMahon's pool"

 

"TSM: The wrestling website that interviewed Trish Stratus... we think"

 

And so on

[Australian Pride 0]

"TSM: The wrestling website that interviewed Trish Stratus... we think"

If we're doing interviews we better get that Dougie Nunny dude back to do them!

 

 

Not every wrestling topic needs to be analysed to death, which is what they seem to want. I think of the internet like a big dinner party. If you go to a dinner party you don't sit there stuck in serious conversations all night - there are some serious moments but you also tell/hear humorous stories, laugh at jokes, and try to have fun. Why should an internet site be any different, unless the site is an anti-abortion one or something similar which would make it understandable.

[Steviekick 0]

That's a great point. I partially credit the general feeling of crappiness of the WWE folder on lack on interest in the product. When people are given a reason to watch the product other than it just being on, the post quality will improve.

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

If you're going to stop jokes in the WWE Folder, when are you going to come down on the people who keep making mock HHH/Vince/Steph/JR convos as jokes?

 

Those things happen a lot more here than any other board I've been to.

[Guest Loss]

I don't see what the big fuss about getting the big name IWCrs posting over here and how that would make this a better board. Why not we develop our own top posters and environment?

That, in all honesty, has been my goal as a mod. The problem is when you have a board of 15 RRR's and 15,000 Drury37s.