Enigma 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 There was a lot of negative reaction backstage tonight at Raw centering around the Kane-Lita angle. Earlier today, the company realized that Lita was not at the show, even though she had been written into it. As best I can tell, there was a communication screw up between the Raw writers and talent relations and she was never notified that she had to be in Kansas City, despite the fact that an airline ticket was issued in her name (though it was never communicated to her). When they realized that she wasn't there, they had to rewrite the Kane-Lita segments. In their haste to get that done, they scripted the line about the baby not being the only person to die, completely forgetting the fact that Owen Hart died there in 1999. There was a lot of negative reaction backstage (and among fans) to the line when it aired, as many of the wrestlers couldn't believe that WWE would do that while the Raw writers basically said that they didn't realize what they had done. I don't even know what to say. CREDIT: Dave Scherer/PWInsider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I kind of wonder how Gene Snitsky feels about "baby killer" being chanted at him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I wouldn't blame the writers as they honestly didn't know about Owen. Now whoever didn't clue them in that death references would be in bad taste - blame them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I wouldn't blame the writers as they honestly didn't know about Owen. Now whoever didn't clue them in that death references would be in bad taste - blame them. Stephanie's the head of the booking - how could she NOT know about Owen? Everything goes through her at some point. And with a long running angle like this, I'm sure it goes through Vince as well. I think that in a mad scramble they all just forgot what city they were in. Probably an honest mistake, but you never know with WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Archibald Mutombo Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Probably an honest mistake, but you never with WWE. That's for sure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Yea...so they intentionally made a remark to 'get at Owen'. [/sarcasm] I don't really see a big deal in this, but that's just me I guess. "Worse has happened" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I was wondering why there was no Lita interview. When a Lita interview is hyped, don't dash my hopes and not show one! That's just cruel! Seriously, I'm sure it was an honest mistake. There would be no way they'd intentionally do something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 In their haste to get that done, they scripted the line about the baby not being the only person to die, completely forgetting the fact that Owen Hart died there in 1999. [/i] No one in the audience that I'm aware of made the connection. I kind of wonder how Gene Snitsky feels about "baby killer" being chanted at him. I'd be willing to bet he likes the heat. He seemed really into the "its not my fault" promo he cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 It's not Snitsky's fault that Lita didn't know she was supposed to be in Kansas City Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sylvan Grenier Report post Posted September 28, 2004 It's not Snitsky's fault that the writers were oblivious to Owen Hart having died in the same arena that they wrote the interview in 30 minutes before air time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Hell *I* didn't know they were in KC til I got halfway thru the OAO thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I don't get to watch the show until I get home from work in a little bit, but I'm confused here... - Someone in the segment said "The baby wasn't the only one to die here." - It was a scripted line, but the writers completely forgot about Owen Hart. - Who was the other one to 'die' that the interviewee was refering to if it wasn't Owen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I don't get to watch the show until I get home from work in a little bit, but I'm confused here... - Someone in the segment said "The baby wasn't the only one to die here." - It was a scripted line, but the writers completely forgot about Owen Hart. - Who was the other one to 'die' that the interviewee was refering to if it wasn't Owen? Actually, it was more "The baby won't be the only one who dies" and Kane was refering to Gene Snisky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I wouldn't blame the writers as they honestly didn't know about Owen. Now whoever didn't clue them in that death references would be in bad taste - blame them. Stephanie's the head of the booking - how could she NOT know about Owen? Everything goes through her at some point. And with a long running angle like this, I'm sure it goes through Vince as well. I think that in a mad scramble they all just forgot what city they were in. Probably an honest mistake, but you never know with WWE. No, it's exactly the writers fault. It's their job to know these things and to write around them. If the wrestlers and fans know about it there's no reason why the writers shouldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I don't get to watch the show until I get home from work in a little bit, but I'm confused here... - Someone in the segment said "The baby wasn't the only one to die here." - It was a scripted line, but the writers completely forgot about Owen Hart. - Who was the other one to 'die' that the interviewee was refering to if it wasn't Owen? Actually, it was more "The baby won't be the only one who dies" and Kane was refering to Gene Snisky. Well, if that was the case, then I think we're stretching a little bit for indignation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Celtic Guardian 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 No, it's exactly the writers fault. It's their job to know these things and to write around them. If the wrestlers and fans know about it there's no reason why the writers shouldn't. Considering it is WWE, the writers may not have to know about even Attitude-era pro wrestling as part of their job. The fault for glitches like this starts at the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Here's the most offensive part... THE FACT THEY DID THIS STUPID FUCKING ANGLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Dont forget that Lawler said something about someone rolling over in their grave right after HHH left the ring after losing to Shelton.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I just watched the tape and quite frankly, I really don't understand why everybody is making a big deal about this. Kane was doing an interview from a remote location and basically made a euphism for the fact that he's going to kick Gene Snitsky's ass for causing his wife to have a miscarriage. This whole debate is stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I understand why people would be offended, but it's just one of those things. I'm sure if Kane had realised what he'd be saying was going to cause offense, he'd have brought it up himself with the writers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 This whole angle is stupid. Corrected for truth. I just watched the tape and quite frankly, I really don't understand why everybody is making a big deal about this. Kane was doing an interview from a remote location and basically made a euphemism for the fact that he's going to kick Gene Snitsky's ass for causing his wife to have a miscarriage. Kane's a face now after having raped Lita and forcing her to marry him (and the grounds for that is really stupid as well). How fucked up is that? Even if Gene did it intentionally (it's pretty much implied there's some EVIL MASTERMIND who sent him in to do a "job"), Gene "killed" something that's technically not alive, but Kane's recent and past criminal actions make Gene's look like jaywalking. Lita wasn't showing, and if she miscarried this early in pregnancy, it's much more likely to be something completely unrelated to this incident (such as a birth defect Lita's system "caught" ). http://www.womens-health.co.uk/miscarr.asp When you conceive and a baby is created, it takes half its genes from the sperm and half from the egg that ovulated that month. At the exact time of conception, the cross-over of these genes takes place. Sometimes, for no reason other than bad luck, some information is lost and the pregnancy is destined from that point not to be. It might be that this lost information is not needed for many weeks, and the pregnancy will continue as normal until that time. When the needed information is not there, it is then that the baby dies and you begin to miscarry. Sometimes when this happens, the miscarriage doesn't happen right away. This is called a 'missed' miscarriage and may not be picked up until some weeks later, following a slight loss or period-type pains. It's completely plausible, especially with wrestling's common "conveniences" that it is completely not Gene's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted September 28, 2004 One of the things I actually like about this angle was the way Snitsky was introduced. Everyone assumed he was just some jobber from OVW that Kane was going to destroy. He then surprises everyone by causing Kane to fall on Lita, making her lose the baby. And now he's getting major heat from the crowd. I suppose I'm thankful that the WWE is still able to surprise me, on occasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Stephanie's the head of the booking - how could she NOT know about Owen? Everything goes through her at some point. And with a long running angle like this, I'm sure it goes through Vince as well. You remember Steph's 9-11 comment right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Stephanie's the head of the booking - how could she NOT know about Owen? Everything goes through her at some point. And with a long running angle like this, I'm sure it goes through Vince as well. You remember Steph's 9-11 comment right? It makes me angry to just to think about that. I mean, comparing 9/11 to her father's trial was just retarded. Fucking idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiny norman 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 One of the things I actually like about this angle was the way Snitsky was introduced. Everyone assumed he was just some jobber from OVW that Kane was going to destroy. He then surprises everyone by causing Kane to fall on Lita, making her lose the baby. And now he's getting major heat from the crowd. I suppose I'm thankful that the WWE is still able to surprise me, on occasion. It's good in that sense. But it's bad in that this whole angle is pretty misogynistic (but then again, so is wrestling as a whole, but I think in this case moreso than usual). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Well, if that was the case, then I think we're stretching a little bit for indignation. Bingo! Wrestling fans sure have become ultra-sensitive in the last couple of years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Hey, what city did Droz get dropped in, so we can all know to be hyper-sensitive about any "he's trying to end his career!" type hyperbole from the announcers. Even if they WERE trying to imply something about Owen, it's not the end of the world. And the fact that they most likely were NOT trying to imply something about him shouldn't be overlooked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 Hey, what city did Droz get dropped in, so we can all know to be hyper-sensitive about any "he's trying to end his career!" type hyperbole from the announcers. I realize the request was half-joking, but in case anyone did want to know and could then complain ... 10/5/99; Nassau Coliseum in Long Island Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2004 I think the fact that they weren't even considering it is almost as bad as intentionally doing it. "Never Forget" my ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted September 28, 2004 They made no comment about Owen Hart. Period. What? Now you can't say "die" in Kansas City because Owen died there? Give me a break. It was completely unrelated, and we all know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
