Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 1, 2004 I heard Flair had a hard time carrying Warrior to anything good, but low and behold, I've never actually SEEN them wrestle, so thats just speculation. (John McAdam has hand held footage matches of them, but doesn't have any comments) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Savage/Hogan Wrestlemania V also strikes me as being better than some of Flair's "so called broomstick matches." It wasn't a carryjob as others claim but Hogan was a very limited worker, far more limited than the likes of Lugar. I wouldn't be so bold to say Savage was a better worker throughout the late 80s but I would be curious to see more of Macho before I wrote him off. For Savage I suggest you get your hands on his DiBiase series(specifically their MSG match and their Wrestlefest match), his SNME matches with Hart & Roberts(best Bret match I've seen pre-1992), his matches with Tito(Boston Garden and the rematches although non-clipped versions are damn near impossible to find), his first match with Steamboat(from Maple Leaf Gardens which, IMO, would blow WM3 out of the water had it had an ending) and some of his earlier matches with Hogan(around late 85-mid 86) where Savage wrestlers 'Flair style'(as in basically stooging and bumping around for Hogan) but does without any of Flair's comic touches. That's just a start if you wanna see some late 80's Savage(not counting the obvious WWF PPV stuff, cause I for one consider the Warrior carry at WM7 superior to any carry Flair has ever done). Savage has a ridculously underrated match with Michaels from April of 1992(on par with Savage/Hart in '87) where he does a great job at selling a leg injury (i'm assuming from 'Mania) a few days before. He gives a lot for Shawn and it's a hell of a match. Totally agree on the 11/86 Toronto Savage Steamboat match, it's awesome. As for Flair/Windham, the 3/87 (or 4/87, forget the date) Crockett Cup Match was always my favorite between the 2. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Paul, is that the one that's from England and has Shawn doing like 3 figure fours? If so then I fully agree. Savage really showed me something with how good of a seller he can be in that match, and the commentators even pick up that his leg isn't healed from WM8 yet. And it's definetely Shawn's best singles match till Bret. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Both men areamazing workers, but... Hart/Austin > Flair/Steamboat. and for me, that about says it. I think that interetsing. I think one of the main thing to consider is who has the better "Best Oppenet" matches. Now I would probably say that SS 96 was the best of the 5, and WM 13 was the worst (not by a lot, obviously). What do others think. What was better, the 2 Bret/Austin's or the three Steamboat/Flair's. (BTW, These two fueds consits of the last two "Bets NA Match in teh past 20 years" winners) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Both men areamazing workers, but... Hart/Austin > Flair/Steamboat. and for me, that about says it. I think that interetsing. I think one of the main thing to consider is who has the better "Best Oppenet" matches. Now I would probably say that SS 96 was the best of the 5, and WM 13 was the worst (not by a lot, obviously). What do others think. What was better, the 2 Bret/Austin's or the three Steamboat/Flair's. (BTW, These two fueds consits of the last two "Bets NA Match in teh past 20 years" winners) Personally I'll take the two Hart/Austin matches cause I don't like Wrestlewar at all. Plus when thinking how strikingly different both of the matches were both from a work and characters perspective(how both had evolved) it makes Hart/Austin that much sweeter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Bret Hart or Ric Flair? Bret Hart [ 44 ] [72.13%] Ric Flair [ 17 ] [27.87%] And that, my friends, is the end of this "debate". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Bret Hart or Ric Flair? Bret Hart [ 44 ] [72.13%] Ric Flair [ 17 ] [27.87%] And that, my friends, is the end of this "debate". $200 says someones going to make an excuse like on the first page. The votes don't matter. Who's better to 13 people on the internet doesn't change the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 The votes don't matter. Who's better to 1, 374, 892 people who have been watching wrestling their entire life doesn't change the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Bret Hart or Ric Flair? Bret Hart [ 44 ] [72.13%] Ric Flair [ 17 ] [27.87%] And that, my friends, is the end of this "debate". $200 says someones going to make an excuse like on the first page. The votes don't matter. Who's better to 13 people on the internet doesn't change the truth. The Canadians love Bret Hart but let be known that the South is Flair Country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
