JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 If TNA DOES bring in guys like the Outsiders, Sting, DDP, Roddy Piper, etc in for this PPV, will it really bring in more buys? Will it be worth the cost of bringing them in? Will they really be willing to put over young talent? How many buys do you think Victory Road will get? And based on an argument I saw on another board, here's a question for you...what will get more buys, Victory Road or DVDs and tapes from ROH's weekend bringing in Liger? What needs to be done between now at 11/7 to get you to buy Victory Road? Discuss! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Bringing in over-the-hill stars will NOT bring in buys. The only reason WCW succeeded with Hogan and Savage was because they presented them in different lights than the WWF had, and put them at the forefront of an exciting new angle. Look at the largest money draw in wrestling history: "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. He was a practically undiscovered talent that became a huge draw within two years of his arrival with the WWF, the hugest draw of all time, and that is because of him connecting with the crowd, and company being smart enough to acknowledge it. TNA needs to learn that pushing "proven" draws (that haven't drawn much but nostalgia pops for the past couple of years) over undeveloped talent is what lead to WCW's demise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 2, 2004 If TNA DOES bring in guys like the Outsiders, Sting, DDP, Roddy Piper, etc in for this PPV, will it really bring in more buys? Will it be worth the cost of bringing them in? Will they really be willing to put over young talent? How many buys do you think Victory Road will get? And based on an argument I saw on another board, here's a question for you...what will get more buys, Victory Road or DVDs and tapes from ROH's weekend bringing in Liger? Discuss! There is no way that bringing in the older guys will get them any buys whatsoever. These guys haven't been in the kind of position that TNA will put them in for quite sometime, and they are WAY out of their primes. Hell, some of them weren't worth a shit when they WERE in their primes in the first place. Plus, this just takes away from some of the guys that TNA should have been building up as stars. Since they have booked them terribly and basically killed all the heat that these guys DID have, now they are backed into a corner and need to bring in crap as filler. They would however put over the young talent. TNA hopefully should realize that is what put WCW out of business......letting talent(and I use that loosely) book the shows. Its hard to say if they would make more money or not than ROH will during the Liger weekend. First off, they are going to get how many paid attendies on those two days than TNA is going to get wherever they run Victory Road? Plus, how much revenue does getting on PPV actually cost them? From what I have heard it's a shitload, and it really hurts startup wrestling companies because that really makes it even hard to break even on the shows. What needs to be done between now at 11/7 to get you to buy Victory Road? Honestly at this point, I don't know if there is anything that they can do to get me to actually WANT to see this show. Maybe if they went all out and changed the card to a full tournament for the NWA or X-Divison title it would make me more interested. I don't know.....but it would intrest me more that what is going on right now, I can say that for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 What needs to be done between now at 11/7 to get you to buy Victory Road? Discuss! Well-developed simple stories that mean something and are in good taste, with interesting promos and well booked matches up till the PPV. Having your best wrestlers fighting it out for the titles. Hope of the right people going over. I dont want to sound outdated, but identifiable faces and heels. If Jarrett and Brown wrestle, who is the face? If Jarrett and Abyss wrestle, who is the face? If XXX and AMW wrestle, who is the heel? The cardshould have a good mix of tag, gimmick and pure wrestling matches. In short: a good quality product based on common sense. (Ooops, I forgot, this is wrestling, we cant have what I am asking for, which is way too much. That was me dreaming above.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 No, you can have all of that with wrestling. It's just TNA you can't have that with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 2, 2004 No, you can have all of that with wrestling. It's just TNA you can't have that with. And the winner is............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 2, 2004 I refused to order shitty $10 PPV's for 2 hours...why would I buy the same crap for $30 for 3 hours? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 Because TNA is giving you worse matches (because they're longer and they still won't let the workers do what they do best) and more Jeff Jarrett? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted October 2, 2004 At this point, bringing in the over-the-hill wrestlers isn't to entice the current viewers to want to see the show more, it's the entice new viewers to want to see the show AT ALL. TNA is probably thinking "hey, people will notice wrestler X on the card and think "I wonder what he's up too?"" and order the card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2004 At this point, bringing in the over-the-hill wrestlers isn't to entice the current viewers to want to see the show more, it's the entice new viewers to want to see the show AT ALL. TNA is probably thinking "hey, people will notice wrestler X on the card and think "I wonder what he's up too?"" and order the card. Won't happen. Even if there are some people out there who actually keep watch on what these names are doing and will buy a 30 dollar PPV to watch them, it won't be enough to cover the money TNA is paying them. TNA will LOSE MONEY by doing this, even though I actually like some of the guys they're gonna bring in. I'll reiterate what everyone else is saying: TNA is better off if they try to develop their own stars. The only people TNA seriously tries to put over are Jarrett, Styles, and AMW, and even the way they put them over sucks. If TNA had actually built up its roster around guys like Raven, Truth, Abyss, Daniels, Ki, Sabin, Siaki, and Kash, they wouldn't be so close to closing down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 2, 2004 If I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times, there is only two guys that strike enough nerve in people to want to pay to see them....Austin and Hogan. On top of all that, THEY aren't even a sure fire way to get people to order the show. For people to think there is a ton if interest on the general public to see the guys that they want to bring in, is laughable to say the least. Why? Because the public is fickle to begin with, but wrestling fans(by this I mean the marks and general public) have proven they are as fickle as you can get. Plus, TNA's majority market are internet fans. They aren't doing anything to get the most out of those fans(even though the smarks probably spend more on wrestling than most people) and are CONSTANTLY catoring to the occasional fan. I guess they don't realize that most smarks(at least the ones that I know) have friends and family that USED to be wrestling fans that no longer are. Thus, the smarks would probably spread the word to the people that are the occasional fan, especially if it was something worthwhile........but we won't recommend anything that insults your intelligence or something that is just plain crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Exactly, DK. I've recommended more people I know to come to New England Championship Wrestling shows than to check out TNA. My friend Jason used to love wrestling, but now can only watch it with me because I'm the one that got him into wrestling and it seems more "fun" to him, and he loved the NECW show we went to (which, honestly, was one of their worse shows). Hell, more of my friends watch my puro tapes (admittedly, I only have three FMW DVDs, two FMW tapes, one pure-puro tape, and one RoH tape that has Kobashi/Hansen on it) and my RoH tapes and my old ECW tapes/DVDs than would ever watch TNA. The key to being a successful promotion is in storytelling, marketing, and offering something different than the norm. TNA has poor storytelling, decent marketing (I will give them credit there, as quite a few of their ideas - especially the e-mailing fans on their mailing list as to the card and reasons for the matches on PPVs - have been very good), and offers nothing better than WWE, RoH, IWS, CZW, PWG, and other indy promotions do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 3, 2004 TNA blew their chance. They blew it horribly. They blew the large audience they had after the .01 PPV with a weak show --- then killed their booking (and never recovered) to pursue a JJ v Hogan ME that nobody wanted to watch in WCW. TNA is a dead company. And few companies deserve it more. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Would a wrestling Bret Hart entice anybody? I add his name to Hogans and Austins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 The guy had a freaking stroke! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Really? I can dream cant I. Besides, people have come back from worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thuganomics 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Bret Hart has trouble walking. I don't see him making an in ring return any time soon. I think the Outsiders could give them a bump in the ratings, but not a huge one. And they'll only be helpful if they're willing to work with a Triple X or an AMW, and PUT THEM OVER. They've dropped a match to Chris Daniels before, so anything's possible. Sting or Luger won't help a bit, and a doubt a non-wrestling Austin would either. I could see a Monty Brown/Jeff Jarrett main event working to bring in buys though, especially if they book Brown soundly destroying Raven and the winner of the other half of the tournament. His Goldberg style gimmick is one of the few things that I get the impression casual fans enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Would a wrestling Bret Hart entice anybody? I add his name to Hogans and Austins. Well lets just somehow glue Andre The Giants ashes together for a match against Hulk Hogan. Imagine the buyrates for that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Ok ok. Didnt know he was that bad I really miss the Hitman though. What about if he as announced as the new DoA as from Vicotry Road? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Bret Hart has trouble walking. I don't see him making an in ring return any time soon. Would someone explain how much trouble walking Hart really is having if he is about to be in a damn musical as the Genie?!?! I know for a fact I don't want him to risk wrestling ever again...but how much trouble can he really be having to do theater? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted October 3, 2004 Bret Hart has trouble walking. I don't see him making an in ring return any time soon. Would someone explain how much trouble walking Hart really is having if he is about to be in a damn musical as the Genie?!?! I know for a fact I don't want him to risk wrestling ever again...but how much trouble can he really be having to do theater? He had trouble walking over a year ago. I'm sure he has a limp still, but I think saying he has trouble walking is a stretch. The fact Goldberg nearly kicked his head off his neck is what makes Bret not able to wrestle again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
