The OAO Vice Presidential Debate Thread

[NYU 0]

Edwards got destroyed here.

 

You could tell he was lost many times as he kept trying to talk about health care. It seems like it's the only thing he actually knew. Cheney was just ripping him apart the whole time.

You mean, when Edwards only talked about health care when the issue came up?

 

An issue that everyone was SURE Cheney was going to rip him apart on?

 

An issue that Edwards looked much better on than anyone had expected?

 

I honestly find these claims of "Edwards getting destroyed" to be absolutely hilarious. He didn't do too well on the foreign policies. He smoked Cheney on the domestic policies - to the point where, on some issues, Cheney just didn't know what to say.

[Guest MikeSC]

It should be very clear that nobody was destroyed or annhilated tonight...a good, bac-forth, debate.

No, Edwards was pretty handidly bitch-slapped.

-=Mike

[AndrewTS 0]

Edwards got destroyed here.

 

You could tell he was lost many times as he kept trying to talk about health care. It seems like it's the only thing he actually knew. Cheney was just ripping him apart the whole time.

The prescription drugs issue was the only real thing he seemed to put across well. Cheney didn't really clear up the Halliburton thing, though, so many people may feel that Edwards won on that point.

[Guest MikeSC]

Edwards got destroyed here.

 

You could tell he was lost many times as he kept trying to talk about health care. It seems like it's the only thing he actually knew. Cheney was just ripping him apart the whole time.

You mean, when Edwards only talked about health care when the issue came up?

 

An issue that everyone was SURE Cheney was going to rip him apart on?

 

An issue that Edwards looked much better on than anyone had expected?

 

I honestly find these claims of "Edwards getting destroyed" to be absolutely hilarious. He didn't do too well on the foreign policies. He smoked Cheney on the domestic policies - to the point where, on some issues, Cheney just didn't know what to say.

Yeah, Edwards "smoked" him on domestic policy?

 

That is hilarious.

 

Insane --- but hilarious.

-=Mike

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I didn't score it like last time (just had fun throwing out points ), but Cheney won it by a pretty good margin. Edwards didn't look bad, he had some really nice high points, but rested too much on what Kerry did last Thursday and didn't seemed nearly as relaxed and "experienced" as Cheney did.

 

Cheney rocked. I love his style. Maybe it's the accent (or lack of a southern one), whatever he says sounds authoritative and I believe it. He even managed to be personalble on the "what differentiates you and John Edwards" that I really dug. He made some nice digs and jabs at Edwards and Kerry.

 

Edwards closing statement was very warm, a nice contrast to Cheneys cold demeanor. He focused hardcore on health care and did a good job keeping it in the conversation throughout. He was very repetitive on their "plans" which seemed Bush-league (cough). He got very goofy at times, showing his nervousness.

 

Both men "showed up" to play, Cheney looked much better prepared and confident.

[bob_barron 0]

It should be very clear that nobody was destroyed or annhilated tonight...a good, bac-forth, debate.

I felt like Edwards got destroyed. Cheney just kept getting in barb after barb and Edwards looked lost and was sweating.

 

Many timed Edwards would completely avoid the question to try and talk about something else. He seemed obsess with health care.

 

Cheney only avoided the question when he had to rebut the bullshit Edwards spewed.

 

Edwards even mentioned John Kerry's name twice when he was told not to.

 

I thought the first debate was a draw with Bush needing to really improve his speaking. I think Cheney kicked his ass tonight.

[Guest MikeSC]

Edwards got destroyed here.

 

You could tell he was lost many times as he kept trying to talk about health care. It seems like it's the only thing he actually knew. Cheney was just ripping him apart the whole time.

The prescription drugs issue was the only real thing he seemed to put across well. Cheney didn't really clear up the Halliburton thing, though, so many people may feel that Edwards won on that point.

How so? Hell, go to the site factcheck.org and you'll see how weak the Halliburton claims are.

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

But Edwards has a plan!

 

And he'll tell you tomorrow night on Nitro.

 

'You don't jack me around son,' (Cheney-bomb).

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I'd say that Edwards didn't win. Most of the debate was on Cheney's strength too.

 

And these online polls are providing hilarity. CNN is 85-12 for Edwards. Online polls aren't worth much anyways.

[snuffbox 0]

It should be very clear that nobody was destroyed or annhilated tonight...a good, bac-forth, debate.

No, Edwards was pretty handidly bitch-slapped.

-=Mike

You didnt have to actually view the debate to reach that conclusion.

 

This was no massacre. Edwards did well for his biggest debate ever, Cheney did a little better, imo...but the American reaction could be interesting...

[AndrewTS 0]

Edwards got destroyed here.

 

You could tell he was lost many times as he kept trying to talk about health care. It seems like it's the only thing he actually knew. Cheney was just ripping him apart the whole time.

The prescription drugs issue was the only real thing he seemed to put across well. Cheney didn't really clear up the Halliburton thing, though, so many people may feel that Edwards won on that point.

How so? Hell, go to the site factcheck.org and you'll see how weak the Halliburton claims are.

-=Mike

Yeah, but most people would have preferred he took that issue head-on instead.

 

It at least wasn't quite as bad as "go to John Kerry.com! *cheap pop*"

[Guest MikeSC]

It should be very clear that nobody was destroyed or annhilated tonight...a good, bac-forth, debate.

No, Edwards was pretty handidly bitch-slapped.

-=Mike

You didnt have to actually view the debate to reach that conclusion.

 

This was no massacre. Edwards did well for his biggest debate ever, Cheney did a little better, imo...but the American reaction could be interesting...

Actually, Cheney had the best shot at underwhelming me, since I expected a thrashing.

 

And, Cheney delivered in every sense of the word. There is nothing I can think of that Edwards had an advantage in.

-=Mike

...Even worse, it took Bush having an unusually bad night for Kerry to pull out a razor-thin "win".

[bob_barron 0]

You mean, when Edwards only talked about health care when the issue came up?

 

No- there were several occasions where he said "I want to go back to health care" when it wasn't an issue.

 

An issue that everyone was SURE Cheney was going to rip him apart on?

 

An issue that Edwards looked much better on than anyone had expected?

 

I honestly find these claims of "Edwards getting destroyed" to be absolutely hilarious. He didn't do too well on the foreign policies. He smoked Cheney on the domestic policies - to the point where, on some issues, Cheney just didn't know what to say.

 

I didn't come with any predictions at all. Cheney annihilated him on foreign policy and did fine on domestic policy. Domestic policy is supposed to be the Bush's Administrations weak point- yet Cheney did just fine refuting Edwards' point and painting him and Kerry as indecisive.

 

Cheney's relaxed style is awesome. He is strong, confident and just knows what to say.

 

Edwards' closing statement was terrible. I don't care that his father studied math on TV.

[Downhome 0]

These online polls should be taken about as seriously as WWE.com polls.

 

Depending on if you are a dumb ass or not, you know what that means.

[bob_barron 0]

Cheney even PLUGGED factcheck so you could see for yourself!

 

The Howard Dean burn was awesome

[Guest MikeSC]

A line from NRO's "Kerry Spot"

 

"If I ever need to sue somebody, I’ll call John Edwards.

 

If I ever need somebody killed - like, you know, terrorists trying to kill me or my family - I’ll call Dick Cheney."

-=Mike

[Guest Loss]

Well, that debate was ... interesting. Dick Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own while John Edwards came across as a selfish politician interested in saying what he thought people wanted to hear to get votes. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded while ironically, it was Edwards who came across as an antagonistic, hate-spewing, smooth-talking, arrogant lobbyist. Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was a zinger. The allegations of Kerry and Edwards voting based on the lead Howard Dean had in the caucases was a home run, while Edwards' references to Halliburton didn't really stick. John Kerry's goal in the next debate is now going to have to be to make voters forget this night ever happened. Any momentum created by Kerry's initial performance was negated quite decisively tonight.

[snuffbox 0]

I dont think anyone actually pays attention to the online polls...people all realize its all for entertainment right?

 

But the more 'scientific' poll results definitly intrigue me.

[AndrewTS 0]

Swiftvets ad on MSNBC.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You guys are so whacky.

 

Cheney won.

 

Edwards did well, but Cheney looked more informed, had better poise, used the table, pacing, and the format incredibly well and was more confident. I was really surprised with how much "charisma" Cheney showed. He clearly was benefitted from the format, and I think had they been standing he would have lost that advantage and Edwards would have "worked it" a lot better.

[NYU 0]

Well, that debate was ... interesting. Dick Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own while John Edwards came across as a selfish politician interested in saying what he thought people wanted to hear to get votes. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded while ironically, it was Edwards who came across as an antagonistic, hate-spewing, smooth-talking, arrogant lobbyist. Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was a zinger. The allegations of Kerry and Edwards voting based on the lead Howard Dean had in the caucases was a home run, while Edwards' references to Halliburton didn't really stick. John Kerry's goal in the next debate is now going to have to be to make voters forget this night ever happened. Any momentum created by Kerry's initial performance was negated quite decisively tonight.

Wow.

 

Just.....wow.

 

I don't even know where to begin.

[bob_barron 0]

Cheney got more on Edwards' and Kerry's lack of senate attendance then Edwards did on Haliburton.

 

They walked into a corner with Haliburton. Kerry and Edwards keep attacking it because they know it's what their party wants to hear but when you bring into a debate- they just get exposed as not having anything to say.

[Downhome 0]

Good.

 

I wish we could get a debate between Bush/Edwards and Cheney/Kerry.

[bob_barron 0]

Well, that debate was ... interesting. Dick Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own while John Edwards came across as a selfish politician interested in saying what he thought people wanted to hear to get votes. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded while ironically, it was Edwards who came across as an antagonistic, hate-spewing, smooth-talking, arrogant lobbyist. Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was a zinger. The allegations of Kerry and Edwards voting based on the lead Howard Dean had in the caucases was a home run, while Edwards' references to Halliburton didn't really stick. John Kerry's goal in the next debate is now going to have to be to make voters forget this night ever happened. Any momentum created by Kerry's initial performance was negated quite decisively tonight.

Wow.

 

Just.....wow.

 

I don't even know where to begin.

Is that because you know in your heart that Edwards got OWNED tonight?

 

The funny thing is- based on his previous CE posts it seems like Loss HATES Bush and he even agrees Edwards got owned.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Well, that debate was ... interesting. Dick Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own while John Edwards came across as a selfish politician interested in saying what he thought people wanted to hear to get votes. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded while ironically, it was Edwards who came across as an antagonistic, hate-spewing, smooth-talking, arrogant lobbyist. Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was a zinger. The allegations of Kerry and Edwards voting based on the lead Howard Dean had in the caucases was a home run, while Edwards' references to Halliburton didn't really stick. John Kerry's goal in the next debate is now going to have to be to make voters forget this night ever happened. Any momentum created by Kerry's initial performance was negated quite decisively tonight.

Agreed completely. Well, cept for those lines

 

Edwards did a really good job defending his "trial lawyer" status, while Cheney deferred the answer to a website. Advantage: Edwards.

 

The Senate Attendance is a different issue (the two issues above regarding how their previous jobs would effect their performance in office), and Cheney made an excellent point there.

[teke184 0]

PoliPundit:

 

"Will the family of a Veep wannabe, dark suit, dark hair, Dark Side, license # I-S-U-E-U, please come and claim the carcass? Your junior lawyer has been trampled, pummeled, thumped, whupped, sliced, diced, julienned, fried, pureed, laughed out of the county, and has dismayed fellow slimebags across the nation. You may claim the remains, collected in a large number of small baggies, at the BreckTM booth."

[EricMM 0]

I don't see what you all are seeing.

 

I don't think Edwards got bitchslapped at all.

 

I think both people did "alright." They both dodged some questions and neither really told me anything new.

 

It'd almost be a tie, but Edwards is just a better person than Cheney, who's a crotchety old crypt keeper. So Edwards wins by being human and if you don't see that, you're wrong.

 

This night is dissimilar to the last debate when Kerry did alright, but Bush did *awfully* so Kerry won that one clearly.

 

 

 

Mike, you know, you're too much.

[Guest MikeSC]

I've not seen a bigger thrashing in a debate in my life.

 

And that's the truth.

-=Mike

[GreatWhiteNope 0]

It'd almost be a tie, but Edwards is just a better person than Cheney, who's a crotchety old crypt keeper.

That's baseless and irrelevent.

 

Unless you're an uninformed liberal.

 

:: glances in EricMM's direction ::

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I've not seen a bigger thrashing in a debate in my life.

 

And that's the truth.

-=Mike

There was one not even a week ago.