Investigators exhume Saddam's killing fields

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

"you're all lemmings"

 

You'll have trouble finding that quote from me.

 

Jesus Christ, did your mom drink a lot while pregnant with you?

 

Yes. She smoked and smoked weed too. I don't find that very humorous.

 

We had NUMEROUS reasons. We...focused...on...WMD...because...it....was...the...only...one...the...UN...mi

ght... give...a...shit...about.

 

You do realize that my argument about that was never with something you said, it was with something Powerplay said. He said we misrepresented our position to the UN. Bitch at him if you don't like it.

 

The rest? Good witty zingers, Mike. Keep 'em coming.

[Guest Loss]

The whole no WMD's argument is getting old. Bush SAW INTELLIGENCE that showed that they were a threat. Now we know they aren't. But Bush acted on what he thought was good information. It's not his fault that it wasn't.

[2GOLD 0]

The whole no WMD's argument is getting old. Bush SAW INTELLIGENCE that showed that they were a threat. Now we know they aren't. But Bush acted on what he thought was good information. It's not his fault that it wasn't.

 

Apparently it is.

I don't know HOW it is, but it is.

 

This is why I refuse to belong to either party. I could never handle being this blind.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Who do you hold accountable if one country bombs another, and one of their main reasons turns out to be false?

[sfaJack 0]

The people that provided the false information that the "main reason" was based on.

[Guest GreatOne]

So let's see, Bush doesn't 'pre-emptively act against AQ' and he should be held accountable (of course he didn't bomb anybody mind you)

 

Now he goes after Saddam, sure one of the reasons might have turned up to be BS, but at least he acted pre-emptively! Yet he STILL should be held accountable.

 

And no one sees the inherent problem in trying to lynch him for both, gotcha.

 

2Gold I hear ya, if I wasn't a Bush supporter myself I'd be an indy (or that guy frustrated with the Democrats that was on Hannity and Colmes a few weeks back).

[Justice 0]

Who do you hold accountable if one country bombs another, and one of their main reasons turns out to be false?

When a guide gets you lost in the woods, do you blame yourself or the guide?

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Normally, I would blame the guide, then I would take the leadership role and find my own way out.

[Justice 0]

Normally, I would blame the guide, then I would take the leadership role and find my own way out.

Then what the hell has Bush done? Curl up into the fetal position?

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Well, unless you consider Bush the guide, us the follower, and the faulty intel = a bad map.

 

I think that's an interesting analogy, though.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well, unless you consider Bush the guide, us the follower, and the faulty intel = a bad map.

 

I think that's an interesting analogy, though.

And, I apologize.

 

You called us "Sheep", not lemmings.

 

You're still a clueless putz.

-=Mike

[Guest INXS]

The thing that hasn't been mentioned is the pressure that both the American and British governments applied to their respective intelligence agencies to come up with something on Iraq.

 

It's clear that the Bush administration were hell bent on going in to Iraq no matter what their own and the UN's inspectors reported.

 

The smudging of the lines between Saddam and Al Qaeda, THAT "45 minute WMD" claim, the mobile labs..and now the intelligence agencies are the scape goats.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

And, I apologize.

 

You called us "Sheep", not lemmings.

 

You're still a clueless putz.

-=Mike

 

Truth? I don't know what a "lemming" is. I would have probably used it otherwise.

[Guest GreatOne]

The thing that hasn't been mentioned is the pressure that both the American and British governments applied to their respective intelligence agencies to come up with something on Iraq.

 

It's clear that the Bush administration were hell bent on going in to Iraq no matter what their own and the UN's inspectors reported.

 

The smudging of the lines between Saddam and Al Qaeda, THAT "45 minute WMD" claim, the mobile labs..and now the intelligence agencies are the scape goats.

Hey Miles, here's one

[Guest INXS]

LOL, quite the opposite it seems, surely?

[Guest GreatOne]

Uh, nope.

 

What do you think the trendy thing is? To be for or against the war?

 

Quit trying to be smart, it doesn't work.(and quit calling me Shirley)

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Considering we're finding a third of a million corpses full of holes spread through a few dozen stinking pits in the desert, it doesn't matter to me if Saddam had mustard gas or not.

[Guest MikeSC]

Considering we're finding a third of a million corpses full of holes spread through a few dozen stinking pits in the desert, it doesn't matter to me if Saddam had mustard gas or not.

Oh, we know those people don't matter.

-=Mike

[Guest INXS]

At the time of their killing, it didn't matter did it?

 

But now it's convenient.

 

It's already widely accepted that Saddam ethically cleansed his own people. Finding those corpses now doesn't change anything. It's nothing new.

 

Saddam is gone, captured like he should have been 15 years ago if his ethnic cleansing was so horrible.

[Guest MikeSC]

At the time of their killing, it didn't matter did it?

 

But now it's convenient.

 

It's already widely accepted that Saddam ethically cleansed his own people. Finding those corpses now doesn't change anything. It's nothing new.

 

Saddam is gone, captured like he should have been 15 years ago if his ethnic cleansing was so horrible.

Considering that it caused us to completely change our policy towards Iraq, immediately stopping all aid to Saddam and fighting France about supplying France --- yeah, their deaths mattered.

 

And, we finally decided to ignore the UN and removed Saddam. Go us.

 

BTW, interesting: Kerry opposed the first Gulf War --- and then opposed Bush not going all the way to Baghdad.

-=Mike

[Highland 0]

Willful ignorance such as that displayed by INXS and others is the reason we are faced with situations like Rwanda and the Sudan.

Saddam Hussein's usurpal was a good thing; it doesn't matter whether or not he had stockpiles of WMD whether fully assembled or in pieces. It's irrelevant.

Further, if I was an American and voting in this election, I probably wouldn't vote for Bush, but I sure as fuck don't have a pro-Saddam poster in my room, which is the trap that many that opposed the war fell into: that Saddam isn't really that bad and the Bush administration is trying to shove American imperialism down Iraq's throat.

Edited October 16, 2004 by Highland

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Willful ignorance such as that displayed by INXS and others is the reason we are faced with situations like Rwanda and the Sudan.

 

Just a tad over-dramatic there? I'm pretty sure INXS, Mike, or greatone had nothing to do with Rwanda. Give me a break.

 

that Saddam isn't really that bad and the Bush administration is trying to shove American imperialism down Iraq's throat.

 

Show me one person who has said that here. We all think Saddam is bad.

[Guest MikeSC]

Willful ignorance such as that displayed by INXS and others is the reason we are faced with situations like Rwanda and the Sudan.

 

Just a tad over-dramatic there? I'm pretty sure INXS, Mike, or greatone had nothing to do with Rwanda. Give me a break.

I actually blame it on you specifically.

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

Willful ignorance such as that displayed by INXS and others is the reason we are faced with situations like Rwanda and the Sudan.

 

Just a tad over-dramatic there? I'm pretty sure INXS, Mike, or greatone had nothing to do with Rwanda. Give me a break.

 

Actually, he said IGNORANCE and then Rwanda. INXS just happened to be, like his life otherwise, an unfortunate by-product.