Toxxic 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2004 I like the show, no DNS, it's all good. Even though Manson beat Spike So, I'm going to do my thing of encouraging the n00bs and since Carnage is the only one still around, he gets the treatment again: I'm not sure about Comet calling Riley 'Bobbo'. He'll do it VERY occasionally maybe, but generally he's pretty formal. And I can't help but think you've got the commentators the wrong way round - Sly is a tweener leanin towards face, so Comet will probably be pulling for him and Riley will, this time, be supporting the Masked Madman. Ah (reads further), so you've got Sly down as a heel anyway. Like I say, he's face now. Oh, and it's a SmarkTron, not JumboTron, but nay mind. It seems odd that they'll stand nose-to-nose, then Sly will 'immediately' swing his pipe at Carnage. I'd have thought that Carnage would have gone for Sly straight-off, being a psycho and all, and I'm not really sure why they square off and then suddenly Sly swings. It's a good opening sequence of beating from Carnage which gets over how much stronger he is that Sly, and also that fact that in this environment he's just going to brawl. I'm not sure about the Sly comeback though - grabbing your opponent and throwing him in the corner to chop him is fine when it's Benoit and Flair, but Carnage outweighs Sly by about 80lbs and isn't going to be manhandled that easily, not to mention the fact that Sly has been taking a pasting and shouldn't be able to reverse the momentum like that. Since you were writing Sly as a heel the ballshot might have been a better and more effective way to get him on top to start with, THEN have him start chopping the shit out of Carnage as a sort of egotistical 'get your own back' when the other guy can't defend himself. I'm a little dubious about Sly's ability to trade shots with a guy so much bigger and stronger than himself. Double knock-down spot... and now here's the bit that confuses me. Carnage aims a clothesline at Sly, who then belly-to-back suplexes him to the floor. You don't say if Sly ducks the move and Carnage swings around to face away from him (which would be necessary to hit the suplex). Also, Sly would have to REALLY struggle to hit that on a man the size of Carnage... and thirdly, it'd probably KILL Carnage when he landed on the floor! Next we have a long series of Sly pounding on Carnage, but Carnage keeps 'immediately' getting up and basically no-selling the offence. Sly also keeps suplexing a man MUCH bigger than him - then belly-to-bellys him over the top rope again! Then suplexes him into the guard rail. A lot of the rest is simply Sly beating on Carnage. Quick note - a DDT comes from a front facelock, not a side headlock. And then we have the finish, which is fine if unremarkable, followed by a beatdown. I'm not sure why a man written as face in this match would then beatdown a heel, but hey. Overall I'd say the match could have benefited from studying your opponent's stats more closely. Carnage is much bigger and heavier than Sly and Sly would have trouble suplexing him, certainly as many times as he did here. Also, Carnage is far stronger and could win a slugfest with ease. There's the other thing that Sly is more or less face, so wouldn't be getting shat on by the crowd. However, one thing that certainly has cleared up is your following where the wrestlers are at all times. The only time I went 'how does that work?' was the clothesline/belly-to-back suplex spot, and I was fairly sure how to interpret it. One more note, this one coming from your last match with Sean Davis - if you're going to kick out of somone's finisher I think it's generally polite to ask first. Besides, the Cyclone Driver is a Kneeling Thunder Fire Piledriver - that's a hard move, expecially coming from someone with St8 when you only have Vt5. Something as high impact as that needs REALLY high Vitality to kick out (especially when you no-sold it a few moments later by spinebustering him). But hey, you won! Go the escaped looney! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest carnage Report post Posted October 23, 2004 Thanks again for the tips. I thought Sly was a full fledged heel but I was off on that. The match posed a few problems for me because Sly is a "grounded cruiserweight" which sort of took away what I had planned for him to use as defence against Carnage. I visioned him using a lot of Arial moves against the larger opponent but since he doesn't go to the air that much I kind of wrote him as an Angle/Benoit type using numerous suplexes. The size difference made for some problems. It was pretty hard to get that match the way I wanted it. As usual I started two days before the card so I think next time i'm going to have to start earlier. I find i'm usually wrapping up my matches about 8 or 9 pm on the night of a card and thats cutting it kind of close. But I think i'm making a little progress anyway. The advice is definately appreciated. The card as a whole I thought was very solid. There were some strong matches there. It's also good that everyone posted a match for the card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2004 Sly should really refer to himself as a junior-heavyweight, like Danny did before he bulked up. "Grounded Cruiserweight" is an oxymoron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace309 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2004 Only if you misunderstand the concept of a weight class as opposed to the concept of a wrestling style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2004 Bah; don't confound the issue with logic, Tom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sly 0 Report post Posted October 24, 2004 It should be noted that I didn't write, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Horse hockey! Report post Posted October 24, 2004 One more note, this one coming from your last match with Sean Davis - if you're going to kick out of somone's finisher I think it's generally polite to ask first. Besides, the Cyclone Driver is a Kneeling Thunder Fire Piledriver - that's a hard move, expecially coming from someone with St8 when you only have Vt5. Something as high impact as that needs REALLY high Vitality to kick out (especially when you no-sold it a few moments later by spinebustering him). (Carnage) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest carnage Report post Posted October 24, 2004 One more note, this one coming from your last match with Sean Davis - if you're going to kick out of somone's finisher I think it's generally polite to ask first. Besides, the Cyclone Driver is a Kneeling Thunder Fire Piledriver - that's a hard move, expecially coming from someone with St8 when you only have Vt5. Something as high impact as that needs REALLY high Vitality to kick out (especially when you no-sold it a few moments later by spinebustering him). (Carnage) I kicked out of your finisher seriously no offense meant. I should have pmed you about it. It was pretty lame of me to do that. I was in my usual last minute rush to get the match done and didn't put much thought behind it. When you write the four corners match feel free to kick out of the tombstone. I owe you at least that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted October 24, 2004 See people? Machine guns ARE a valid way of Communication. Carnage kicked out of Sean's finisher. That makes me That seems to make Carnage too. It makes Jackie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
