Need some opinions......

[Damaramu 0]

Well I think Jason White has finally proven that he is the reason OU is undefeated and that without him they wouldn't be where they were. For the 5th straight week he's commanded OU's offense and been the one to drive the game, not AD.

If anyone on OU gets that Heisman Trophy it should be Jason White. Hell if any QB gets the Heisman it needs to be Jason White.

If Matt Leinhart gets it over White then it's showing a bias against White and what happened last year.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Right now White is the clear frontrunner, and is pretty much down to three guys for me: White, Alex Smith, and Reggie Bush.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well I think Jason White has finally proven that he is the reason OU is undefeated and that without him they wouldn't be where they were. For the 5th straight week he's commanded OU's offense and been the one to drive the game, not AD.

If anyone on OU gets that Heisman Trophy it should be Jason White. Hell if any QB gets the Heisman it needs to be Jason White.

If Matt Leinhart gets it over White then it's showing a bias against White and what happened last year.

No, it'd show that White isn't the best QB in college --- much less the best player.

-=Mike

...Alex Smith should be in the running, but the voters hate smaller schools, right?

[Damaramu 0]

I remember before the Big XII Title game last year one of the objections to White winning it was "He'll never make it in the NFL" and I believe I've heard that objection on the radio this year.

Well when did the Heisman become a "You'll be the best NFL player!" award. As a matter of fact very few Heisman trophy winners even make it in the NFL do they?

[Damaramu 0]

Well I think Jason White has finally proven that he is the reason OU is undefeated and that without him they wouldn't be where they were. For the 5th straight week he's commanded OU's offense and been the one to drive the game, not AD.

If anyone on OU gets that Heisman Trophy it should be Jason White. Hell if any QB gets the Heisman it needs to be Jason White.

If Matt Leinhart gets it over White then it's showing a bias against White and what happened last year.

No, it'd show that White isn't the best QB in college --- much less the best player.

-=Mike

...Alex Smith should be in the running, but the voters hate smaller schools, right?

I will agree that Smith is very good.

But White is ONE of the if not THE best QB in college fb. His numbers speak for themself. The fact that he has come back form the injuries and especially after the injuries and heartbreak he endured at the end of last year and then he was able to come back and have a year that is close to what he was having last year is amazing.

The guy is a good player and he deserves the Heisman trophy at this point in the season. I mean his numbers aren't 40 TDs and 5 INTs like last year but they're 28 TD's and 4 INTs. Including 4 straight games with at least 3 TD passes. Not to mention he completed 18 consecutive passes and is the reason OU is in undefeated and is the reason they were able to beat OSU and the reason they were able to come back against A&M.

The guy is the MVP of his team and I can't really think of another QB aside from Smith that is that good. Hell I can't think of another player that is as valuable to his team and does what White does.

Hell the only two players I think that are close to challenging White for the Heisman are Smith b/c he is damn good and Bush b/c he's the best player on the #1 team and the reason they are #1.

 

If Leinhart wins it.....then there is a serious problem with the voters. He's not even the best player on his team.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Well I think Jason White has finally proven that he is the reason OU is undefeated and that without him they wouldn't be where they were. For the 5th straight week he's commanded OU's offense and been the one to drive the game, not AD.

If anyone on OU gets that Heisman Trophy it should be Jason White. Hell if any QB gets the Heisman it needs to be Jason White.

If Matt Leinhart gets it over White then it's showing a bias against White and what happened last year.

No, it'd show that White isn't the best QB in college --- much less the best player.

-=Mike

...Alex Smith should be in the running, but the voters hate smaller schools, right?

One thing that's been hilarious this year is the press bending over backwards to try and portray themselves as on the side of the small schools against the "evil BCS", but each week when the rankings come out, where are Utah and Boise State doing better? Hint: it's not in the polls. What's even worse is that fans are actually buying this "BCS computers screw the mid-majors" kool-aid that the media is passing around.

[nogoodnick 0]

After looking at the stats Alex Smith looks the most impressive. Alex Smith is 169-of-255 with 2,440 yards, 27 TDs and 2 INTs. He also has 106 carries for 544 yards and 9 TDs.

 

2 picks!?! Thats ridiculously low and he has 544 rushing yards. I doubt he'll win it though because he plays for Utah, but hes got the deserving stats. Also hes 10-0.

[Damaramu 0]

Yes I think Smith is most deserving of the QBs.

But since he won't win it the next best QB in line is Jason White.

Leinhart isn't close.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Jason White has no business even being invited to the Heisman ceremony.

[Damaramu 0]

Jason White has no business even being invited to the Heisman ceremony.

Do you have any reasoning for that aside from the fact that you don't like him?

 

If he has no business then neither does Matt Leinhart b/c Jason White is better than him and has better numbers. Jason White's also more important to his team.

 

If you're holding what happened last year against him. Stop. You're being foolish. He had a broken hand, foot, and bad knees. . Of course he wasn't going to play like a demon.

 

This year he's perfectly healthy and is putting up Heisman numbers. He's the frontrunner for the award now that Peterson had 1 bad game.

 

Btw Peterson has a seperated shoulder so don't expect him to put up Heisman numbers against Baylor or the Big XII North champ. Hell not even in the bowl game. The dude's injured.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

There are players out there playing infinately better right now.

 

Braylon Edwards, Reggie Rush, Cedric Benson, Omar Jacobs, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton (for putting the final dagger in OSU's heart this weekend) and J.J. Arrington.

 

Oklahoma and White in particular would be nowhere without Adrian Peterson.

[Damaramu 0]

That's bullshit.

OU would be nowhere without White. That was proven last year when he went down they went down.

White has some of the best numbers and is the most important player on his team. He's one of the best players in the country.

You have no clue what you're talking about Mad Dog....you seem to have some kind of hatred for OU and it's players. White will probably either win the Heisman or finish in the Top 2 and he deserves it. Nobody else has done what he's done.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

It has nothing to do with hatred of OU players. Adrian Peterson is much more important to the OU offense than Jason White is. Any team with the calibur of Peterson at running back could survive with almost any scrub in as QB.

[Damaramu 0]

Then how come their last 5 or so games have been decided by White and not Peterson? Without White they would've lost to OSU and A&M.

The only game Peterson won for OU was the Texas game which was White's only bad game.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Because teams have to approach the team completely differently when Peterson is there. The reason White is doing anything is because teams have to stack up against the run constantly and he can throw in more favorable situations.

 

If Peterson is out teams will play more nickel type packages and White isn't nearly as successful. Good running backs always make QBs better not the other way around.

 

EDIT: Look at Eli Manning or Philip Rivers for QBs that willed their teams to win.

[Damaramu 0]

White proved last year when he was hurting that when teams load up to stop him they still can't! It wasn't until his throwing hand was broken that people were able to stop him.

So if they all loaded up to stop him this year I doubt they'd still be able to do it b/c well....he's 100% healthy this year.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

And that's why he played like complete shit the last 2 games of the year when something was on the line right?

[Damaramu 0]

And that's why he played like complete shit the last 2 games of the year when something was on the line right?

Umm.....yes his throwing hand was broken and so was his foot. And his knees were so bad he couldn't start under center b/c he couldn't take the steps back nor could he escape pressure. He was basically a statue in the back field for those last two games.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

That sounds more like lame excuses than anything. I highly doubt a broken hand would be a problem in both games for him. He had close to 4 weeks for it to get better between games.

 

Omar Jacobs blows White out of the water stats wise. He's completed 69% of his passes. He's thrown 32 TDs and only 3 INTs and he's also run for another 4 TDs. He's throwing for 70 more yards a game and his passer rating is 11 points better than White's.

[Damaramu 0]

That sounds more like lame excuses than anything.  I highly doubt a broken hand would be a problem in both games for him.  He had close to 4 weeks for it to get better between games.

 

Omar Jacobs blows White out of the water stats wise.  He's completed 69% of his passes.  He's thrown 32 TDs and only 3 INTs and he's also run for another 4 TDs.  He's throwing for 70 more yards a game and his passer rating is 11 points better than White's.

Umm...it's not a lame excuse. Mark May even said this on ESPN that he saw Jason White after those games and he had a cast on his hand and a cast on his foot. So yes he was too injured to play. He should've never been in those games period. But he was and it still baffles me as to why he was. I guess they thought a 30% White was better than a 100% Paul Thompson.

 

White is a good QB. Sorry that you can't accept that fact but it's true. White is also a Heisman trophy QB. He deserved it last year and probably deserves it this year. Sorry but that's true too.

 

And he was #1 in one Heisman Poll last week. The only one he wasn't #1 in was the ESPN one. But since Peterson didn't have a good game it looks like White is moving to #1. It looks like he's going to get it again this year. I doubt anyone except West Coast freaks would vote Leinhart over White.

[iggymcfly 0]

That's bullshit.

OU would be nowhere without White. That was proven last year when he went down they went down.

That might be valid if the Sooners had Peterson last year. However, since they didn't, it proves nothing except that the offense depended on White last year, which pretty much everyone already knew.

 

Also, I'd really like to know how Jason White was the deciding factor in the OSU game. Adrian Peterson ran for 249 yards that game. Jason White completed just over half of his passes, and had less yards passing the ball than Peterson did running it. Yeah, White might have made a couple big plays in the 4th quarter, but Peterson was the dominating force that ripped up the OSU defense.

[Damaramu 0]

That's bullshit.

OU would be nowhere without White. That was proven last year when he went down they went down.

That might be valid if the Sooners had Peterson last year. However, since they didn't, it proves nothing except that the offense depended on White last year, which pretty much everyone already knew.

 

Also, I'd really like to know how Jason White was the deciding factor in the OSU game. Adrian Peterson ran for 249 yards that game. Jason White completed just over half of his passes, and had less yards passing the ball than Peterson did running it. Yeah, White might have made a couple big plays in the 4th quarter, but Peterson was the dominating force that ripped up the OSU defense.

Peterson only rushed 1 TD. White threw the rest. They wouldn't have scored enough points to beat OSU if White wasn't out their throwing the ball.

Same thing with A&M. They took Peterson out but White stepped up.

White is the reason OU is undefeated. Without him they'd be nowhere. You think Paul Thompson could step up like White does when Peterson is neutralized? Don't think so.

White deserves the Heisman again this year. His season is just as good and he's more valuable to his team.

[iggymcfly 0]

He wasn't neutralized. He had one of the best big games that any back's had all season. Who gives a shit if White made some throws in the red zone after OSU had to start filling up the box because Peterson was running all over them. If OU had a good fullback that they gave the ball to when they were inside the 2 and he only ran for 50 yards, but got 3 touchdowns, would he be the deciding factor in the game? Of course not. With the declines in the defense and receiving corps, OU would be lucky to be 8-2 right now with Adrian Peterson.

[Damaramu 0]

Ummm......I believe all or most of White's 4 TD throws in that game were from outside the red zone and in his own territory.

God damn why won't anybody give this guy any credit? I swear to god no matter how good he is he's still given shit. He's the best QB in OU history and maybe the best player in OU history and if he wins another Heisman he's going to go down in college record books. And right now he's the frontrunner for the Heisman as it is.

[Secret Agent 0]

The Heisman is a running back trophy to begin with.

 

It'd also go down in the record books if Peterson won, and honestly I want Peterson to win and become the first Freshman to get it. I have nothing against White and I think he is an excellent quarterback, however I believe it is because of Peterson that White has people to throw to.

 

When Peterson steps onto the field watch the defense fill that box up and try to stuff him. In turn it gets receivers open for White to get the ball to. White's doing a good job making those passes connect as well the last few games.

 

To be a national championsip calibur team I really think you have to establish a run, which Ou has this year.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

In terms of Jason White being the best QB this year...

 

There's 12 players with more yards passing this season. There's 11 players with better completion percentagaes. There's 10 players who have better yards per attempt numbers. There's two guys with more TD's(Omar Jacobs of Bowling Green and Andrew Walters of Arizona State). There's 4 quarterbacks with better QB Ratings than White.

 

My Top QB for the Season

Alex Smith(Utah, 10-0): Guy has 2,440 yards passing, only 73 yards fewer than White, on 37 less pass attempts. He has a 66% completion rate and a QB rating of 179.3 vs White's 165.7. Now before you go harping about how White has 28 TD's and only 4 INT's Alex Smith has 27 TD's and only 2 INT's. Smith also has a 9.53 YPA compared to White's 8.58, almost a yard better. The biggest reason for me putting Smith ahead though is his threat on the ground. He has 529 yards rushing and 9 TD's. Smith is better than White in 5 categories as is(biggest difference being the rushing as White has -49 yards rushing) and could surpass White soon in yards and TD's.

 

Also as far as running help, Utah's leading rusher is Marty Johnson with 727 yards and 13 TD's on 142 carries. Compare that to the help White gets with Peterson who has 1,431 yards and 9 TD on 254 carries. As much as you don't want to hear it Dam, White has been largely helped by Peterson. Peterson has ran for over 100 yards in every game this season with the exception of the game vs Nebraska. He's also scored a TD in every game except Texas(Still ran for 225 yards) and Kansas State(still ran for 130 yards). Also keep in mind that AD has had 20 or more carries in 8 games whilst getting 30 or more in 3 of those games. Any common sense tells you that as a defense, if you see a guy running the ball 20-30 times in the game and he's a threat to get 200+ yards than you stack the box to try and stop him at all costs. As a result of this, you usually leave man coverage allowing the WR's to get open easier without the LB's to help cover the short route guys, thus causing the safety's to have to do that. Also Dam, I'm curious on this as the Patriots have done this a ton with the addition of Corey Dillon. Does Oklahoma do a lot of Play Action in the Red Zone or inside the 10? If so, then that's definitely a product of the threat of AD and the defenses constantly biting on it.

 

Also, the TD passes by White in the Oklahoma State game were 4 yards, 72 yards, and 23 yards. As an aside though, AD did bust out an 80 yard TD run too. Just thought that would help clarify things.

 

Also don't pull the "you're biased you hater, yadda yadda" cause that's just childish bullshit. Just cause I don't believe White is the best QB doesn't mean that I think he sucks. I personally have him at #2 with Omar Jacobs at #3. Also Leinart is well below White in numbers so if Leinart wins then it's BS.

[Damaramu 0]

Of the QB's that are being considered for the Heisman and let's be realistic White and Leinhart will be the two sitting there in NYC unfortunately Smith won't be. If he was I'd say hand it to him before the ceremony even started. But I can almost bet he won't be a finalist based off who he plays for and the voters being braindead in that regard.

If the final four is White, Leinhart, Bush, Peterson then they need to give it to White. He's the best out of those 4 and he deserves it.

Yeah White's been helped by Peterson but the point is that even if Peterson wasn't their he'd still do the same thing. Last year while he had bad knees and had no run game to speak of he threw 40 TD's and 5 INT's. This year he has Peterson to take some of the load off. Point is that without Peterson he put up phenomenal numbers. So to say he's only good b/c of Peterson is absurd. Without Peterson he was putting up huge numbers. The only reason he doesn't put up those numbers this year is b/c he can hand the ball off to Peterson. Without Peterson the guy would probably have 40 TDs again!

[HarleyQuinn 0]

As for last year, Kejuan Jones still had 925 yards rushing and 13 TD's. He only had 20+ carries in 4 games not including the bowl game vs LSU. I find it kind of funny that he had 225 rushing attempts all year inc. the bowl game and then AD comes in and has 254 attempts in 10 games. Seems like a reversal of play calling by focusing on the pass last year and focusing more on the run this year.

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Personally, I don't even think White should be in the NCAA anymore. Hes got to be working on his third masters by now. He blew out his knees? So fucking what, plenty of football players have done that and not gotten TWO medical red shirts. I'll admit I'm biased. I hate Jason White, and I don't really like Oklahoma - but I get the feeling that last year's Oklahoma team was simply an epic performance of coaching and teamwork and Jason White was lucky enough to be the arm that threw all the touchdown passes. That doesn't happen without the o-line, the recievers, the coaches, the defense. If you threw ANY quarterback into that offense, they'd put up the same numbers. I'm pretty sure I could go for 2,000 if you give me that running game and those recievers.

[Damaramu 0]

Actually no. Jason White mostly threw the deep ball last year and he threw it more accurate than anyone else. You think you could put a 65 yard pass right into your recievers hands? Sure Mark Clayton and Mark Bradley do a lot of work but last year it was falling right into their hands and it's been happening this year to. People just refuse to give this guy any credit. Nate Hybl worked with the same defense and recievers that White had last year and didn't do NEAR what White did.

And he didn't get two medical redshirts. He lost the 2001 season for blowing out his knees.

In 2002 he played two games and tore the other ACL. He was granted an extra year of eligibility because he missed the whole season.

He has worked within the rules to get this extra year.