OaO Oklahoma Football Thread

[Damaramu 0]

Well when your top corner is gone.....the defense got shaky when he was gone.

 

Plus Archie Griffin won two Heismans. Check your factoids bud.

 

And on top of all that I may be a homer but I'm not wrong. And I don't think I ever have been. OU is one of the top programs in history.....sorry it's true.

[Sass 0]

Well when your top corner is gone.....the defense got shaky when he was gone.

 

Plus Archie Griffin won two Heismans. Check your factoids bud.

 

And on top of all that I may be a homer but I'm not wrong. And I don't think I ever have been. OU is one of the top programs in history.....sorry it's true.

Follow me Dama, I'm not trying to spike you on your head here man:

 

Earl Campbell *dominated* teams when he ran with the ball. He was the second coming of the toughest bastard to *ever* play football. Ever.

 

Earl Campbell.

 

Jason White.

 

Earl Campbell, one of the baddest brothers to ever run with the ball.

 

Jason White.

 

Earl Campbell, one of toughest SOB's to ever put on a football helmet.

 

Jason White.

 

White's played injured, VERY injured at times, but just the fact that he could turn out to be a double Heisman trophy winner is wrong on several levels. Archie Griffin not withstanding.

 

Campbell transcended the game. He made every white boy on the field that tried to stop him into his own personal hitting bag. He was one of the juggernaut's of running.

 

Jason White is one of the best OU QB's. Key word, only OU. Not college in general.

 

Earl Campbell is one of the best running backs ever. Not just his alma, but in all of football, both college and for the shortest time in the NFL.

 

Now, Jason White will have his name listed next to Earl's. If you can't see why that's wrong then you're hopeless man. Hopeless. At least Griffin put up some unGodly numbers to at least somewhat justify his second Heisman by carrying OSU's ass for 4 years, although he didn't change things like Earl did.

 

Archie Griffin get's a pass since his name rarely get's brought up in the circles that discuss "great" college football players and for good reason. OSU went to the Rose Bowl four times in a row but only one it once. Once. He is one of the best RB's in college football history but he didn't change things like Earl did and couldn't win the big one when it counted in more than once instance. He wasn't the player that Earl was and when Archie went to the NFL, he got owned. Blame it on Cincy but Campbell did okay when he was with Houston but got too banged up to have any real longevity.

 

White's name will most certainly get mentioned regularly if he wins a 2nd Heisman due to his association with OU, which is like the Yankees, Celtics and Cowboys of college football. It will never end, much like Babe Ruth always getting mentioned whenever the Red Sox got brought up before they won their World Series last month.

 

You're biggest problem is that you're too overconfident. I mean waaaayyyy to overconfident, boardering on just plain cockiness. Hence, why you get shit from folks around here. Lots and lots of shit. The Raiders are the winngiest team in football, the Lakers have had the most success in the last 20 years than any other basketball team and the Dodgers are the Yankee's real daddy's.

 

Bo Jackson had three 90 + yard running games when he played with the Raiders. But there is *no* way I'd be okay with some fellow Raiders fan saying "he was one of the best" when there are guys who had longer careers with far more accolades, no matter how good Bo looked in those years he was with the team. Just, no way.

 

But I digress.

 

This is why I am not okay with seeing White's name listed alongside someone like Earl Campbell's. He didn't change things like Earl did. Double-Heisman winners better change the damn game or raise the bar for their position.

 

OU is one of the top programs in history but it's your hater hypocrisy towards other team's and their fans listing their team's achievments that makes you lame. Other than that, you're cool with me. You aren't a bad guy, but goddman brother, don't give us big ogres a bad rap. You'll scare the kids away you big goof.

 

Lame-o.

 

GO USC~!

 

::drinks homer-ade like a Michael Wilbon::

 

I hope you at least see where I'm coming from man. I respect winning, since that's the whole point of playing in sports. It's why I don't hate on the Yankees like some fans do. I respect what their organization has done along with OU's.

 

Sorry if I came off rough to you here.

[Bored 0]

And on top of all that I may be a homer but I'm not wrong. And I don't think I ever have been.

Hmmmm...

I didn't say you were...I was just wondering.

Oh and....has OU ever even lost a Bowl Game?

[Slayer 0]

Earl Campbell was the man

 

Unfortunately, time has not been kind to him, and more notably not kind to the long-term injuries from his bowl-em-over style

[Slayer 0]

But really, no discussion of the Campbell-era Oilers would be complete without discussion of the greatest Oiler of all time

 

 

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson~!

[Damaramu 0]

And on top of all that I may be a homer but I'm not wrong. And I don't think I ever have been.

Hmmmm...

I didn't say you were...I was just wondering.

Oh and....has OU ever even lost a Bowl Game?

Do you have every post I've ever made logged? Scary......

That was before I knew jack about football. You all know I only hardcore got into sports last year. I watched off and on and knew a little bit. But then I quit watching wrestling and whenever I get into something(anything: wrestling, comic books, video games, and now sports) I put A LOT of time and energy into it and a lot of emotional involvement. So while I may not have been a hardcore sports fan very long at all I'm probably more emotionally involved in it than most fans.

And when I said I don't think I was wrong I meant in relation to Auburn and the National Title game.

 

Oh and OU may have lost some bowls but they still have the highest bowl winning percentage of all time. Couple that with 7 National Titles, 4 Heisman Trophy winners(probably 5 after this season hell 6 before Peterson is gone), and the Longest Winning Streak in History and you have a pretty damn impressive organization in Norman.

 

And Sass I get your point about Earl Campbell. What I'm saying is that Jason White is a really good player and he deserved the Heisman last year b/c of his ungodly stats. And he was the MVP team of his team. When he went down the team went down. He was basically the heart of the team and when he turned into a statue with a bad throwing hand standing in the backfield b/c of injuries his team's heart was basically ripped out.

This year without him OU wouldn't be undefeated. He's pretty much saved everyone of OU's games save the Texas game. I've only doubted that OU was going to win ONCE this season and that was against Texas A&M. And after White threw his first TD pass I realized that I didn't have to worry. The guy is in complete control of every football game he plays. He's a general on that field. He's calm and cool and he's god damn good at what he does. If you deny that then you have a problem. He is probably the greatest QB in OU history and I know this doesn't matter to ANY of you or anyone else but it does to me in that he's probably the most beloved player in OU history as well.

The guy has commanded every game he's been in this season. He's kept his team in every game. He's returned from an ungodly Heisman season and put up great numbers again. He's the leader of an undefeated college football team playing in the 3 best conference in the country. He won the OSU and A&M games by putting the ball in his reciever's hands when he had to. Yeah Peterson helped in the OSU game but White did a lot of the work. He's thrown for over 2300 yards and 28 TD's this season. He's only thrown 4 picks.

I mean his body of work this season speaks for itself. He deserves that Heisman.

 

Hell I'll tell you why this guy is so damn good.

This is a guy that was a running QB. He was an option oriented running QB. He tore the ACL in his right knee. He was out for the whole season.

He came back and Nate Hybl was the starter. He won the starting job back from Nate Hybl.

He tore the ACL in his left knee. He was out again.

 

Any normal person would be out for good.

 

He returned with knee braces on his knees at about 75% health. The guys knees were so bad that he couldn't start under center b/c it was nearly physically impossible for him to drop back.

 

Let's not forget this guy was a running QB. He comes back last season with those health problems and not being able to do what he's spent his whole career doing. The guy comes back and throws 40 TD's and 5 INT's all season. He becomes a pocket passer and starts in the shotgun nearly all year b/c he can't start under center nor can he scramble. He has to take sacks or throw it away. Yet he still plays. He leads OU to an undefeated regular season and blows out opponents by an average margin of 50 points per game.

 

Then comes the KSU game. By this point his knees are so bad that he shouldn't even be playing football. But he starts. He's also gained weight by this point b/c he can't even f'n work out b/c jogging is nearly impossible. So he plays that game and he breaks his hand. His throwing hand. He's also dizzy and loopy from being sacked so much. He still throws for over 300 yards. He doesn't throw any TD's however....but that's understandable. The guy has no vision when he's on the field he's messed up so bad by this point.

 

He wins the Heisman trophy which was a given at that point.

 

He goes into the Sugar Bowl with his knees still as bad as they are and his hand broken but NO CAST b/c he was trying to hide it. The OU program as a whole refused to release his injury information b/c as they said "We don't want it to be an excuse." He gets sacked 13 times against LSU b/c he can't scramble. He has to take the abuse. He gets his foot broken in that game. But he still tries. By all means he probably should've been yanked but he would've refused.

 

So he has all those ups and downs. By all means the guy should be on anti-deppressants by this point. But he comes back this year completely healthy.

 

Now he has a run game to back him up and he's 100% healthy. He can scramble and everything. He comes back and still puts up Heisman numbers and leads OU to being undefeated and well I covered what he's done this season above.

 

So to deny how good the guy is is just absurd......I mean look at all he's been through and all he's done. The guy has won 21 games in 2 years. If he'd been a 4 year starter he would've shattered Peyton Manning and now David Greene's win record.

 

So yes he's no Earl......but he does deserve to be a 2 time Heisman Trophy winner and he deserves to be remembered.

[therealworldschampion 0]

And on top of all that I may be a homer but I'm not wrong. And I don't think I ever have been. OU is one of the top programs in history.....sorry it's true.

 

My feeling is that the top 3 college programs of all time are Notre Dame, Michigan, and Alabama.

[Damaramu 0]

Cases can be made for all of them. But a case can be made for OU to. Sure they don't have 12 National Titles. But they have 7 and will have about 10 by the time Stoops is done coaching.

 

It's like Sass said. They've become the NY Yankees and LA Lakers of College Football. They're good and are tradition ridden and they will remain that way for as long as we can see. I mean the programs only had one down period(the 90's) and then it took right back off.

[therealworldschampion 0]

It's like Sass said. They've become the NY Yankees and LA Lakers of College Football. They're good and are tradition ridden and they will remain that way for as long as we can see. I mean the programs only had one down period(the 90's) and then it took right back off.

 

Not true. That will always belong to Notre Dame. People either love them or hate them. I don't think the same can be said about Oklahoma.

[Damaramu 0]

They're fast becoming that way. Don't deny it. I don't think I've ever met anyone in between about OU. People either love them or hate them at this point. And most people hate them. That's a sign you've reached big time.

Not to mention everything I just laid out. Longest winning street in NCAA history, 7 National titles, more wins than any team since WWII, highest bowl winning percentage ever, 4 Heisman Trophy winners, 38 Conference Championships, 23 Bowl Titles, 138 All-Americans, 51 National Award winners. That resume is staggering.

 

They may not be the most elite program ever.....but they are ONE OF THE most elite programs in history. One of the most storied and tradition ridden. And one of the most elite. There is no denying that.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Oh there's no doubt at all about OU being an elite program, but does Oklahoma have its own network to broadcast home games? Does it have movies made about it? Is it quite possibly the first thing people think about when people are asked to say something about college football? No, Notre Dame is. Oklahoma would probably have to get its own TV contract and have all the mystique that ND has to be one of the truly elite programs ever.

[Sass 0]

Just thought this was worth reiterating again after Dama's very well-detailed (seriously) post about how White is one of the best QB's in OU history:

 

Campbell transcended the game. He made every white boy on the field that tried to stop him into his own personal hitting bag. He was one of the juggernaut's of running.

 

Jason White is one of the best OU QB's. Key word, only OU. Not college in general.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Oh of course White isn't the best college QB in history. That distinction I believe belongs to Tommie Frazier. 3 Big 8 conference titles and 2 national titles.

[therealworldschampion 0]

You know, I'm watching the 2001 Oklahoma @ Nebraska game on ESPN Classic and it makes Steve Pederson look like even more of a moron for hiring Callahan.

[iggymcfly 0]

They're fast becoming that way. Don't deny it. I don't think I've ever met anyone in between about OU. People either love them or hate them at this point. And most people hate them. That's a sign you've reached big time.

 

That's because whenever you meet someone who doesn't love OU, you make them hate them with your incessant prattling bullshit. Shit, I bet you even make some Sooner fans turn on the team.

 

Honestly, go to any corner of the country that hasn't been affected by all your endless, annoying, unreasonable ramblings, and you'll find that no one gives a shit about OU one way or the other. At this point, Notre Dame, Miami, Florida State, Florida, and USC are far more polarizing.

[Damaramu 0]

Just thought this was worth reiterating again after Dama's very well-detailed (seriously) post about how White is one of the best QB's in OU history:

 

Campbell transcended the game. He made every white boy on the field that tried to stop him into his own personal hitting bag. He was one of the juggernaut's of running.

 

Jason White is one of the best OU QB's. Key word, only OU. Not college in general.

I'm not saying he's the best college player ever.

In my post I detailed why he deserved the Heisman Trophy the first time and why he deserves it this year. And why he's the best QB in OU(keyword here OU) history and possibly the best player in OU history.

 

And I'm not saying OU is the most elite team in history. If I said that earlier I apologize. What I'm saying is they are ONE of the most tradition ridden and ONE of the most elite in history just based off everything I said they've done and will continue to do thanks to Bob Stoops.

 

Also I would like to say that I met Jason White today. I was talking to an old professor in the hall at school and White walked up and said "You know you're the only teacher's class I've gotten less than a B in?" and I turned around and said "Don't feel bad I got a D in his class." and he just started chatting with both of us. He introduced himself to me.

He held out his hand and I was like

"Nice to meet you. JR O'Dell."

and he goes

"Nice to meet you too. Jason White."

I had to resist going "No shit dude."

But he stands about eye to eye with me but that dude is ripped to hell. He's skinny in the stomach region but his arms are f'n muscular.

 

Another funny thing......they had a cartoon in the school paper today that had a guy standing in front of a map of Oklahoma and he said "Oklahoma is in the great plains region everyone! That's right the plains. So next time a coach from Nebraska calls you an f'n Hillbilly inform him that you're a redneck."

It was kind of funny.......b/c it's true......hillbilly's live in the mountains. There's no mountains in Oklahoma!

[CanadianChris 0]

The only thing I took from this post was that Dama's real name is JR.

 

How appropriate.

[Damaramu 0]

The only thing I took from this post was that Dama's real name is JR.

 

How appropriate.

I've said that about 1000 times. Actually my real name is Jason Ryan, but I go by my initials.

[Bored 0]

Also I would like to say that I met Jason White today. I was talking to an old professor in the hall at school and White walked up and said "You know you're the only teacher's class I've gotten less than a B in?" and I turned around and said "Don't feel bad I got a D in his class." and he just started chatting with both of us. He introduced himself to me.

He held out his hand and I was like

"Nice to meet you. JR O'Dell."

and he goes

"Nice to meet you too. Jason White."

I had to resist going "No shit dude."

But he stands about eye to eye with me but that dude is ripped to hell. He's skinny in the stomach region but his arms are f'n muscular.

Sounds like love to me.

[Damaramu 0]

Ya know Bored there was a certain twinkle in his eyes when he looked at me......maybe it was the concussion maybe it was something else......

[Damaramu 0]

I'm still all on top of the world after my meeting today. Now I have to meet AD and Bob Stoops and I can die a happy man.

That and 2-chicks at the same time......

[cabbageboy 0]

It's kinda disturbing that Jason White would even be considered for a 2nd Heisman. In reality he'll probably split the votes just enough with Adrian the Frosh and neither will win it. I'm sorry, you cannot convince me that the guy who fell flat on his ass against Kansas St. and LSU last year deserves ONE Heisman, much less two.

 

Oh, and I know Tommy Frazier won two national titles at Nebraska but I can't see him being the best college player ever. Perhaps it's my bias against option oriented offenses, I dunno. Seems to me to be considered the best QB you'd have to be able to PASS the ball with some decency, and Nebraska QBs have never done much of that.

[Damaramu 0]

Well cabbage if you can't be convinced then you're beyond help. Also if you can't accept a broken hand, foot, and bad knees as a reason for falling flat on your face then you must demand superman like qualities out of all athletes. I don't think any athlete can put up Heisman numbers when his throwing hand is broken, his foot is broken, and his knees are so bad that it's physically impossible for him to start under center.

Wow I don't think any athlete could fight those odds! Does superman play in every game you watch?

 

Please I already detailed why White deserves the Heisman and why he deserved it last year. It's pretty hard to argue with the numbers the guy put up and what he fought back from.

Not to mention with his broken hand he still threw for 300 yards against KSU. However when you're sacked over 10 times in a game your vision gets a little blurry.

 

Oh and For Arguments Sake was very good this week:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=argument/1118

[lomasmoney 0]

Oklahoma is about Number 4 at the highest if not lower in the echelon of College football programs. Number one is either Notre Dame or a case can be made for Michigan. Then you have Alabama who has 10 National Titles and a truckload of history. Then you have to look USC being ahead of them. USC has been pretty much dominant all but for a 6 year stretch in the 1990's. OU is definitely in the top 6 or 7 and I have them ranked 5th all-time. Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, USC are more prestigious, have history dating back to the 1900's and are the first four schools you have to mention about college football

[Damaramu 0]

Actually OU was dominant as well b/c of Wilkinson and Switzer until the 90's then Stoops picked back up and started winning titles again.

So while USC may have only not been good during the 90's....so was OU.

And I gurantee you that OU will have more titles than Alabama before Stoops is done coaching.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Michigan = 832-273-36 career record. Started football in 1878.

USC = 707-297-54 career record. Started football in 1888.

Notre Dame = 796-258-41 career record. Started football in 1887.

Oklahoma = 737-284-53 career record. Started football in 1895.

 

Other notable schools...

Penn State = 757-331-42 career record. Started football in 1881.

Nebraska = 789-311-42 career record. Started football in 1890.

Ohio State = 757-294-53 career record. Started football in 1889.

Texas = 775-311-35 career record. Started football in 1893.

[lomasmoney 0]

Oklahoma wasn't very good for the first 50 seasons or so of their existence. They didn't become a powerhouse until the late 40's under Wilkinson who is one of the best coaches ever. Then after he left they were average at best for about 10 years or so. Then came the Switzer era, which had some years that were when OU was on probation in the 70's, but they still were always a top 5 team save for a few seasons in the early 80's in which they were average. Then he came back with 5 losses from 1984-87, which has to be somewhat tarnished looking back on how much dirty shit was going on at OU. This was the beginning of the end where you had quarterbacks getting arrested for selling cocaine and things and OU ended up dropping down to the level of average to downright bad for a few seasons. Then Stoops somehow turned a 7-5 team into a 12-0 team that won it all in 2000. Even though I do not think they would have beaten Miami or Washington that season if they played them but they beat everyone on their schedule so that's no fault of OU. They had a few years of hard luck against OSU and we all know about last season. They will continue to be a top 5 or 10 team for the next decade since they will get the players and Stoops seems to run a very clean program. I just don't think they will be the dominant team year in and year out for the next decade or so. But hell you want to talk about teams that could have truckloads of national titles. Michigan has the worst luck of any program. They might be the only team to ever go undefeated and still find a way to tie three teams. From 1975-1984 they lost 8 games by 10 points or more and three of those were in one season. They have one .500 or worse season in the last 35 years. In 1985, they might have been the best team in the nation. They lost on a last second field goal against #1 Iowa but pretty much ran through the rest of the schedule. Or 1988, they opened the season with Miami and Notre Dame and lost by a combined three points. Who in the hell has ever scheduled two teams that good out of conference back to back weeks. They played the eventual national champion and runner up back to back weeks and lost by three points I don't think too many schools can say that. Year in and year out they are always ranked and have 36 top ten finishes since 1940. Oklahoma has 32, Alabama 30, Notre Dame 33, USC has 22. Just throwing out some facts

[Damaramu 0]

OU has also won 10 games for 4 seasons in a row and I believe they will win 10 games and finish in the Top 10 every year Stoops coaches there.

Bud Won 3 titles.

Switzer Won 3 Titles.

Stoops has Won 1 so far. But he did it quicker than Bud and Switzer did. Not to mention his program has leaped to the top quicker than the ones they ran.

Stoops record at OU is something like 65-11 in 6 years and only ONE loss at home in 6 years. The guy is amazing. Add to all that the fact that he's a great recruiter.

I don't see how OU won't be at the Top every year with this guy.

The only time I can think we're going to have a bad season(under our standards) is next season when we lose 18 starters. Our entire wide reciever core, half the offensive line, half the defensive line, most of the secondary, some of the linebackers, and the QB. All we'll have left is AD. But then again he'll probably carry us to 10 games and a BCS bowl.

[Gert T 0]

OU has also won 10 games for 4 seasons in a row and I believe they will win 10 games and finish in the Top 10 every year Stoops coaches there.

Bud Won 3 titles.

Switzer Won 3 Titles.

Stoops has Won 1 so far. But he did it quicker than Bud and Switzer did. Not to mention his program has leaped to the top quicker than the ones they ran.

Stoops record at OU is something like 65-11 in 6 years and only ONE loss at home in 6 years. The guy is amazing. Add to all that the fact that he's a great recruiter.

I don't see how OU won't be at the Top every year with this guy.

The only time I can think we're going to have a bad season(under our standards) is next season when we lose 18 starters. Our entire wide reciever core, half the offensive line, half the defensive line, most of the secondary, some of the linebackers, and the QB. All we'll have left is AD. But then again he'll probably carry us to 10 games and a BCS bowl.

Remember though to it will be tougher for any coach these days to win 3 Nat'l titles. Football is so much bigger at other places across the country and there were less variables in winning the National crown than now.

[Damaramu 0]

Yes but if any man can do it IMO it's Stoops. The guy is an amazing coach and I think he could pull off a couple more National titles. Hell he won 1 his second year. Was in a position to win one last year but had an injured QB and he's in a position to win one this season!