Kurt Angle was beaten by a TE kid.

[jester 0]

The whole thing was poorly thought out.

Get the feeling we'll be hearing that a lot before TE is done?

[Dewe 0]

Does anyone have a clip?

[iliketurtles 0]

I think one thing everyone has forgotten to mention in the defense of Kurt Angle is that he's a lot older than Puder is, and Puder is much more healthly.

 

We don't have to over Angle's injuries the past few years, because it's obvious. Not saying this should give Angle a pass because he still has a reputation of being the best, but it's the truth.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think one thing everyone has forgotten to mention in the defense of Kurt Angle is that he's a lot older than Puder is, and Puder is much more healthly.

 

We don't have to over Angle's injuries the past few years, because it's obvious. Not saying this should give Angle a pass because he still has a reputation of being the best, but it's the truth.

Honestly, Kurt's only excuse (which is kind of weak) is that he probably wasn't expecting a real fight.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I'm absolutely sure "Stunning Steve" will be the one. I know I'll be voting for him.

[iliketurtles 0]

I think one thing everyone has forgotten to mention in the defense of Kurt Angle is that he's a lot older than Puder is, and Puder is much more healthly.

 

We don't have to over Angle's injuries the past few years, because it's obvious. Not saying this should give Angle a pass because he still has a reputation of being the best, but it's the truth.

Honestly, Kurt's only excuse (which is kind of weak) is that he probably wasn't expecting a real fight.

I was going to say that too.

 

I think the last thing Angle expected was a keylock from Puder.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm absolutely sure "Stunning Steve" will be the one. I know I'll be voting for him.

Who?

[DangerousDamon 0]

I'm absolutely sure "Stunning Steve" will be the one.  I know I'll be voting for him.

Who?

Dan Rodimer, I think.

 

Deon must think he looks like Steve Austin back in the early 90s.

[Guest LooneyTune]

When Austin had hair and was still trying to find his true talent.

 

"Stunning Steve" as Deon reffers to looks like another generic hoss. McMahon is right. He DOES do what the fans want: sign hoss after hoss who have as much talent as every pop singer in the last 198 years combined. (None)

[Guest shis]

That was indeed awesome, let me take this time to start a chant in this post.

 

If you like that "TE Kid" Chant:

 

UFC, UFC, UFC!!!!

[Guest combat_rock]

Personally, I think they should book an actual shoot between Angle and Puder for right before Angle's match at Survivor Series. Have Kurt give a promo about not being ready, blah blah blah. Call it something like UFC rules or something so it won't make the "pro wrestling" matches look bad. Then, pray Kurt wins. I realize a lot could go wrong, but think of the interest (and in turn the buys) that would generate.

[Downhome 0]

They should never again book a legit shoot.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Personally, I think they should book an actual shoot between Angle and Puder for right before Angle's match at Survivor Series ...I realize a lot could go wrong, but think of the interest (and in turn the buys) that would generate.

It wouldn't generate a lick of interest. They've already played down what happened, to the point that no casual fan takes Puder seriously. Not that anyone took any of the TE guys seriously to begin with. Putting Angle, or any top name, in a shoot situation is a stupid idea.

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

Puder was a collegic wrestler, and he didn't really have Angle in anything serious - though I was still lovin it. The only person I have seen tapped out from that position was Sentoryu earlier this year against Giant Silva. For reference, both those guys are horrible fighters and should never be in the ring. If you want to see a sweet counter for that move, 2 weeks ago in the UFC Matt Hughes was in the same position and rolled over and secured a straight armbar with a second left on the clock.

 

I can't believe how the crowd was sold on this kid so quickly.

Meltzer is saying that if he had been a bastard and held on for a little longer Angle could have needed elbow surgery. Apparantly he was in that hold for a while and wouldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref pinned him to end the thing quick.

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

I think one thing everyone has forgotten to mention in the defense of Kurt Angle is that he's a lot older than Puder is, and Puder is much more healthly.

 

We don't have to over Angle's injuries the past few years, because it's obvious. Not saying this should give Angle a pass because he still has a reputation of being the best, but it's the truth.

Honestly, Kurt's only excuse (which is kind of weak) is that he probably wasn't expecting a real fight.

Absolutely.

 

He tried the exact same move on Pruder that he did on the first guy and was schooled for it.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

In amateur wrestling, the pin is only a one count, so Angle definitely won the match. The object is to go for a takedown, but this kid grabs Angle in a hold that could injure him for real. You don't think Angle could have broken one of the kid's legs if he wanted to? The idea was not to hurt your opponent. I can understand if Angle was pissed. He oughta call the guy out next week and shoot on him for real. No way a nobody like Pruder hangs woth a gold medalist in a legit, straight up shoot. Angle would kill him, and Pruder knows that. It was disrespectful for him to even attempt that move in that setting, knowing that wasn't what Angle was doing.

Best point Ive read on this thread!

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

 

OWNED!

[Guest AllCanadian]

 

OWNED!

Yeah he had that locked up. As he had Angles leg tied so we wasn't going anywhere. Kurt tried to keep that arm tucked inside his legs but as soon as Puder rolled over flat on his back and that arm ended up behind his back Angle was in trouble.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I have suddenly cared for this contest just for the fact Angle got schooled by the UFC guy who was probably tired as hell after working out and all those squat presses (or whatever they were).

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Puder will be voted out this week, so I wouldn't worry too much.

[Guest Deft]

Puder looks to have learned well from the cardio machine Frank.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

In amateur wrestling, the pin is only a one count, so Angle definitely won the match. The object is to go for a takedown, but this kid grabs Angle in a hold that could injure him for real. You don't think Angle could have broken one of the kid's legs if he wanted to? The idea was not to hurt your opponent. I can understand if Angle was pissed. He oughta call the guy out next week and shoot on him for real. No way a nobody like Pruder hangs woth a gold medalist in a legit, straight up shoot. Angle would kill him, and Pruder knows that. It was disrespectful for him to even attempt that move in that setting, knowing that wasn't what Angle was doing.

Best point Ive read on this thread!

I see where you're coming from but in Puder's defense, they were training all day prior to the taping. They show up to the arena and Kurt Angle (in character or not) is a complete dick to everyone. Puder ends up being the only guy to really properly do a squat thrust while he finds himself losing to the one hoss who gets beat by Angle. Angle then calls out anybody to face him . . .

 

. . . Now if you were Puder w/ all your UFC submission knowledge (in the heat of the moment), would you worry more about trying to put him on his back or get him to tap? I'd have the asshole squealing if I could. I don't remember Angle saying how amateur wrestling rules applied. Angle wanted a shoot and he got one.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Nah, the black guy always loses first. Or in horror movie terms, murdered first. Remember Daryl the stinky Man? Or the fat black guy from TE 2?

[Downhome 0]

I don't know if this has been posted here or not. I just saw it on WC, posted by Dave Meltzer.

 

From what I'm told, Puder trains with Mike Kyle, who has done a few UFC's, and owns him. Many Japanese stars have come and trained with him, and he's held his own with major names including Fujita. Brian Johnston, who is best friends with Fujita and trained Puder said he could beat Fujita. He's more than qualified for the UFC heavyweight division.

[Guest Anglesault]

Nah, the black guy always loses first. Or in horror movie terms, murdered first. Remember Daryl the stinky Man? Or the fat black guy from TE 2?

Honestly, aside from the black guy seeming cool and charasmatic, he SHOULD lose first. Wasn't he the first to quit (not even get eliminated)?

[Guest Banders Kennany]

Again Rudo, your arrogance has made you wrong. Kurt Angle. Gold medalist. There.

 

Yes, Kurt Angle. The guy who rode around on a scooter. The guy who wore a tiny cowboy hat. The guy who handed out condoms and drinks milk. Nothing says "This guy can kick your ass" like that. People don't buy Angle as a legit fighter because he's been made to look like a dork almost immediately into his career. They parodied the Gold Medal rather than treating it seriously. Any legitimacy his amateur career has given him has long since passed away. There.

So Angle is not bought as legitimate even though he's a main eventer and always played up as a huge threat. Stop being an idiot.

 

Then why were there rope breaks?

Just like you have to go out of the circle to get a break in amateur wrestling.

 

As for Puder, something tells me this guy is nowhere near as tough as he thinks he is, and his garbage last week about how he's this big bad ultimate fighter (I believe he has not had a single amateur fight and isn't too good) seemed cocky and disrespectful. This jerk will catch a lot of shit in the back if he wins.

You know it did not work in the Diva Search with Camilla, why will this work with Tough Enough.

What the hell are you even talking about? Speak sense.

 

Exactly. It was a shoot. I knew it.

I thought it was a work. Pick a position.

 

--The Kurt Angle-Daniel Puder deal from last night's Smackdown is really interesting. On MMA message boards, this has turned into the biggest story in a long time, and the funny part is, many MMA board people don't get the big picture at all and hate pro wrestling. I've seen some talk on pro wrestling boards, but while I've gotten tons of phone calls about it, I've gotten almost no e-mails about it, so I don't think many fans watching saw what really happened. Just to answer a few questions on it. It was real. If you don't follow fighting, Puder had Angle locked in the Kimura, or keylock as Tazz called it, although Tazz didn't let on the move was fully executed. Not only was Angle not getting out of the move, but most MMA fighters would have tapped already. Angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref counted a three even though Puder's shoulders weren't fully down, trying to end the thing, because the reality was Angle would have been in surgery had it gone a few seconds longer or had Puder not given up the hold. My impression is, since this was a taped show, that nobody in enough power in the company actually understood what happened and let it air, and figured most would see it as a pinfall in 40 seconds. And they were 98% correct, between the commentary and the pinfall, that is how most saw it. It was only when it was all over MMA boards last night that "unknown shootfighter really beats Kurt Angle" and was the hottest topic all night, that they took the footage of it off their web site, and replaced it with copy that said, "Angle mauled Nawrocki, before taking volunteers, next pinning Daniel Puder in a slightly tougher, but still relatively easy match." This is when you know a company is doomed. When God hands them an angle that would get people talking like nothing they've been able to create on their own, given them the potential for legit water cooler talk had they played it right, and they are so blind they go in the opposite direction. Tazz called it like, "well, so much for the UFC." Yeah, and so much for The Invasion angle as well.

I wish Meltz could give his opinion on who won. It seems we are torn to both sides of the fence here. What was this big angle he was talking about? Play it up as Puder won and make a big feud out of it? What legitimate water cooler talk would you get from that? Maybe they should have had Brian Kendrick get an upset win with that match he had early on with Angle. The fans would cared about for a minute and then Angle would put the feud to bed. What is the missed opportunity here? Meltz is an idiot.

 

Angle came in expecting amateur wrestling. Maybe someone didn't tell Puder keylocks have no place in that sport. He came into the ring to try to hurt Angle in a match that was implied to be under amateur rules to try to put himself over. He could have injured Angle badly. He was insanely disrespectful. Angle had a right not to shake his hand. Angle only had to pin him for a one count, he did. He might have even pinned him for three. Puder is a piece of shit. The end.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

The guy grabbed on to the rope though - it wasn't because he was out of the ring.

 

But what I'm saying is, technically, that means he is out of the ring, at least in part, because the ropes are what determines the limits of the ring.

 

That's why they can (but don't often) break holds if a guy's foot is under the ropes - just breaking the plane of the ropes counts as being out of the ring, thus the hold must be broken.

 

At least, that was my understanding. Hard to get really well-defined rules in a work, eh?

[Downhome 0]

I personally didn't see anything wrong at all with what the guy did, but that's just me. If I was in WWE I'd want to play this up for all it's worth. A pretty interesting angle was handed to them, and I doubt they'll do anything with it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

So Angle is not bought as legitimate even though he's a main eventer and always played up as a huge threat. Stop being an idiot.

 

Angle is not bought as legitimate because they made him look like a goof for the first 4 years of his career. Angle is not a consistent main eventer and is not always played up as a huge threat. Stop lying and completely ignoring what I say and the context inwhich I say it in. You are totally, utterly, completely wrong here and my point still stands. Go away, you add nothing here besides flame bait.

 

Just like you have to go out of the circle to get a break in amateur wrestling.

 

Then wouldn't the equivalent be going outside the ring to get a break? Don't answer that, I don't want to confuse you. The answer is "Yes". Rope Breaks are Professional Wrestling specific. It doesn't happen in boxing, it doesn't happen in MMA, it doesn't happen in any in-ring grappling event that I have seen. Infact, grabbing the rope is illegal in these circumstances. Still here? Go away.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Rudo, you need to put that guy in a kimura.