Can Anybody Explain the Logic in This Story?

[Guest MikeSC]

In the Netherlands, artist Chris Ripke reacted to the murder on Theo Van Gogh by an islamic fundamentalist by painting a mural with the text "Gij zult niet doden" ("Thou Shalt Not Kill"), one of the ten commandments of the Christian religion.

 

But because the head of the nearby mosque complained to the police that this was 'offensive' and 'racist', the cops came and sent in city workers to sandblast the mural.  A local journalist, Wim Nottroth, who wanted to protest against this by standing in front of the mural was arrested. His story, in Dutch, here.  Video of the event, here.

 

It has come to this.

 

In my opinion, free speech is something absolute.  "Thou Shalt Not Kill" or "All infidels must die" both deserve equal protection.  Mind you, as speech.  Not as actions.  I firmly believe that if everybody is free to shout out his opinions as loudly as possible, it becomes a whole lot easier to spot the dangerous people.

 

And then, via more free speech, it becomes possible to make them see the error of their way, or at least drive away supporters by exposing their 'funny' ideas.

 

Also, the moment they make a move to put ideas into practice that harm others, it's a whole other ballgame.  Talking about killing somebody is okay, buying a gun to do it and staking out his house is not.

 

And it would be a whole lot easier for the cops to arrest some loon on a stakeout if he has been allowed to loudly trumpet his intentions before that.  I'm just saying...

http://maarten.typepad.com/brusselsblog/20...shalt_not_.html

Can anybody explain how "Thou Shalt Not Kill" can be racist?

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Um, perhaps someone versed in ebonics would read

 

"Yo Shoot the Cracka"

 

And then the person gets arrested for murder...

[CanadianChris 0]

Can anybody explain how "Thou Shalt Not Kill" can be racist?

-=Mike

Presumably, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a Christian notion only.

[Guest Loss]

Uh, yeah, this article is ridiculous.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

But then again, if a Palestinian Kid blows himself up at a cafe, he didn't really kill anyone. If those Jews weren't at the cafe, they wouldn't have died...

[Guest CronoT]

In the Netherlands, artist Chris Ripke reacted to the murder on Theo Van Gogh by an islamic fundamentalist by painting a mural with the text "Gij zult niet doden" ("Thou Shalt Not Kill"), one of the ten commandments of the Christian religion.

 

But because the head of the nearby mosque complained to the police that this was 'offensive' and 'racist', the cops came and sent in city workers to sandblast the mural.  A local journalist, Wim Nottroth, who wanted to protest against this by standing in front of the mural was arrested. His story, in Dutch, here.  Video of the event, here.

 

It has come to this.

 

In my opinion, free speech is something absolute.  "Thou Shalt Not Kill" or "All infidels must die" both deserve equal protection.  Mind you, as speech.  Not as actions.  I firmly believe that if everybody is free to shout out his opinions as loudly as possible, it becomes a whole lot easier to spot the dangerous people.

 

And then, via more free speech, it becomes possible to make them see the error of their way, or at least drive away supporters by exposing their 'funny' ideas.

 

Also, the moment they make a move to put ideas into practice that harm others, it's a whole other ballgame.  Talking about killing somebody is okay, buying a gun to do it and staking out his house is not.

 

And it would be a whole lot easier for the cops to arrest some loon on a stakeout if he has been allowed to loudly trumpet his intentions before that.  I'm just saying...

http://maarten.typepad.com/brusselsblog/20...shalt_not_.html

Can anybody explain how "Thou Shalt Not Kill" can be racist?

-=Mike

Because Muslim Extremists, of which there are more and more every day, are screwy. It's the same as Palestinians calling Zionism racist.

 

The sad truth is, Muslims are the ultimate captive audience. Almost all of their "religious leaders," and notice I used quotation marks, are calling for people to kill.

 

Personally, I feel that Muslim Extremists are the worst global threat since Nazism.

[Guest MikeSC]

My biggest beef, honestly, was that the Norwegian gov't AGREED with the Muslims and sandblasted the mural.

 

Because "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is some offensive stuff.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Well it deals with God, which is a big no-no in Europe...

[Guest MikeSC]

Well it deals with God, which is a big no-no in Europe...

Actually, Europe is becoming increasingly Muslim.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I meant Jesus God, not Allah God.

 

Allah God = tolerance and understanding...

[Guest MikeSC]

I meant Jesus God, not Allah God.

 

Allah God = tolerance and understanding...

Well, he forgives his people for lopping heads off people...

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

And gives them virgins, who, ironically enough, give good head...

[Guest CronoT]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

[Guest SP-1]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

You're kidding, right?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

You're kidding, right?

I thought you were an Islam supporter, and understood that its basic tenets were not that of violence.

 

Of course, I'd like to hear you explain how Mohammed would advocate murder and all that. I mean, I'd talk about context of the Qu'ran and all, and I would expect you to understand since you're a Christian who is probably used to people lambasting Christianity because of a lot of "bad" things in the Bible.

[Guest CronoT]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

You're kidding, right?

I said almost, SP. The simple fact is, there are about 1 billion Islamics in the world. That's about 1/6 of the entire world population. We will be dealing with the more radical side of this religion for decades to come. If we could convince even a fraction of them to "shut up and go home," it would be a good thing.

[Guest SP-1]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

You're kidding, right?

I thought you were an Islam supporter, and understood that its basic tenets were not that of violence.

 

Of course, I'd like to hear you explain how Mohammed would advocate murder and all that. I mean, I'd talk about context of the Qu'ran and all, and I would expect you to understand since you're a Christian who is probably used to people lambasting Christianity because of a lot of "bad" things in the Bible.

 

I said nothing about the peaceful sects that Islam has evolved into. He said MOHAMMED himself. Mohammed who attacked caravans going to and coming from Mecca. Mohammed who led an army against the Byzantine provinces. Who spread the religion he founded by war.

 

And don't give me the crusades. The crusades were the product of a perverted church far removed from Christ's teachings. Not the same thing. I know someone would try that so I'm heading it off now.

 

Mohammed would probably be leading the charge right now.

Edited November 5, 2004 by SP-1

[Slayer 0]

My biggest beef, honestly, was that the Norwegian gov't AGREED with the Muslims and sandblasted the mural.

Minor correction: It was in the Netherlands, not Norway

 

Carry on

[teke184 0]

My personal favorite one of these so far was an anecdote about how the Arab youths in France muscle their way around and that, in one case, an older Muslim tried to stop them from hitting a middle-aged woman on a bus and was told "Back off, Jew."

 

It just shows how this is is an ignorant thug thing more than anything else.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Mohammed who attacked caravans going to and coming from Mecca. Mohammed who led an army against the Byzantine provinces. Who spread the religion he founded by war.

Nobody's perfect.

 

Man you Jesus freaks are way too uptight...

[Guest MikeSC]

Personally, I almost wish Mohammed was still alive. Then, he could tell these people how badly they've fucked up his religion.

You're kidding, right?

I thought you were an Islam supporter, and understood that its basic tenets were not that of violence.

 

Of course, I'd like to hear you explain how Mohammed would advocate murder and all that. I mean, I'd talk about context of the Qu'ran and all, and I would expect you to understand since you're a Christian who is probably used to people lambasting Christianity because of a lot of "bad" things in the Bible.

 

I said nothing about the peaceful sects that Islam has evolved into. He said MOHAMMED himself. Mohammed who attacked caravans going to and coming from Mecca. Mohammed who led an army against the Byzantine provinces. Who spread the religion he founded by war.

 

And don't give me the crusades. The crusades were the product of a perverted church far removed from Christ's teachings. Not the same thing. I know someone would try that so I'm heading it off now.

 

Mohammed would probably be leading the charge right now.

So, if I were to ask "What Would Mohammed do?" --- would that lead to me getting mugged?

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'd say killed...

[Guest SP-1]

Or at least somewhere in-between.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

My personal favorite one of these so far was an anecdote about how the Arab youths in France muscle their way around and that, in one case, an older Muslim tried to stop them from hitting a middle-aged woman on a bus and was told "Back off, Jew."

 

It just shows how this is is an ignorant thug thing more than anything else.

Next thing you know, they'll be snatching purses and breaking the locks on payphones.