Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Aren't we the cynical one.... Just Catching on now? It'll be a fun match, regardless of it's relevancy That's the thing. Matches that you expect people to pay for should be more than "You, You, You, and You, team up and face You, You, You and You." I mean, yeah, there was an Eddie/Show vs. Angle issue, and a Cena/Carlito issue, but they shouldn't be shoehorned into one match with added people who bring nothing to the table for either feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 It's Survivor Series. It makes sense for those faces to band together and those heels to do likewise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 It's Survivor Series. It makes sense for those faces to band together and those heels to do likewise. Just because it's what they used to do doesn't mean it makes sense anymore. You're supposed to entice the fans to buy with these matches, and honestly, America hasn't demanded a John Cena/Mark Jindrak confrontation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 But the team leader has to pick members. Why wouldn't he pick guys who are currently holding themself in a feud? It's likely that the other will do likewise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 But the team leader has to pick members. Why wouldn't he pick guys who are currently holding themself in a feud? It's likely that the other will do likewise. Mark Jindrak wasn't feuding with anyone in this match. Neither was RVD or Cool before Cena was announced. Why the hell would they agree to join these matches? They just had nothing better to do? Basically, what I'm saying is that the whole idea for Survivor Series matches have outlived their uselessness. Throwing any 8 guys out there might have worked 10 years ago, but in 2004, when you are doing them for no other reason than to be OLD SKEWL BABY!, and you start really stretching to fill out Survivor Series matches, causing matches to be filled with people that had absolutely no issue with each other before the build up, that's just stupid booking. This show would be much better served with an Angle/Show/Eddie three way, some sort of tag title match (considering Rey and RVD were chasing them two weeks ago) and a match to build Carlito as US champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Mark Jindrak had become Kurt Angle's protege before the situation of the survival matches arose. It is obligatory for him to be one of Kurt's teammembers. The team's leader does get strong faces/heels for his team though, and those wrestlers are often in a feud with someone who'll be picked up on the opposing team. Unless, of course, you're the token face like RVD. I agree that there really was no reason to go back to the old format, but last year's matches, Raw especially, pleased and this years' have the potential to do likewise. Still, the card could have so much better and maybe next year the booking will pick up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I just watched the video on the WWE.com main page about Eddie's 4th man. And when they showed the four other men that they are fighting, I didn't know who any of them are. Not one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I just watched the video on the WWE.com main page about Eddie's 4th man. And when they showed the four other men that they are fighting, I didn't know who any of them are. Not one. That's the uhm, future of Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I just watched the video on the WWE.com main page about Eddie's 4th man. And when they showed the four other men that they are fighting, I didn't know who any of them are. Not one. You should watch more closely then.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I just watched the video on the WWE.com main page about Eddie's 4th man. And when they showed the four other men that they are fighting, I didn't know who any of them are. Not one. You should watch more closely then.... He's not in the video. Jesus is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah. Edited that accordingly. Either way, Jindrak has been on Raw for a while, as well as in WCW. You should at least be able to identify who he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The problem with Jindrak and Reigns is that neither man has any personality, and nothing to make them seem more than a generic wrestler. Sure, we know they're Angle's henchman, but that's it. They could be anyone else on the roster for all the character devloplment they've been given. Nothing about them whatsoever makes them stand out from Generic Tall Guy #145, and nothing about them really makes you give a shit whether they stick around or not, because we've not been given to reason to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Two words: It's WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah. Edited that accordingly. Either way, Jindrak has been on Raw for a while, as well as in WCW. You should at least be able to identify who he is. He's a VIOLENT COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER. There's a TSM joke that had been dormant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Yeah. Edited that accordingly. Either way, Jindrak has been on Raw for a while, as well as in WCW. You should at least be able to identify who he is. I didn't watch WCW when he was there anyway. And what HTQ said, he just looks like a generic wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I like Luthers character well enough. Jindrak is the Natural Born Vanilla, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 At least Luther can actually work the mic. Jindrak is El Generico. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Luther is really good on the mic. Which explains why they never let him talk for 4 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I still want my foot through the screen every time Michael Cole stresses how he's been "shot, stabbed, he's been in barroom brawls, been in and out of prison." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I still want my foot through the screen every time Michael Cole stresses how he's been "shot, stabbed, he's been in barroom brawls, been in and out of prison." I feel that whenever Cole says, well, anything at all. It's been 7 years, and I don't think he's gotten a lick better at commentating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 We didn't have SmackDown! when Nathan Jones was on, but I'd imagine he wasn't much different then either, in an attempt to get him over. What the fuck are we supposed to think? That if Michael Cole thinks that he's hardko, then he is? By the way, if this was the right place, the right time and I was that type of person, I'd've quipped "looks like everything that comes out of New Jersey sucks." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Luther has a character? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Of course he does. He's angry and mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sideburnious 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Of course he does. He's angry and mean. That and he's a thief...... he stole Stone Cold's ring gear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Too bad he didn't steal Austin's talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Or Austins ability to work a crowd in every possible way without having to wrestle a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shutterspeed Report post Posted November 14, 2004 They're both tormented by their necks. In Austin's case, it's wrecked. In Luther's, he doesn't have one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
