CanadianChris Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 I hated the spreads this week. Throwing 3 points on every spread doesn't make it more or less likely that there's an obvious pick -- in fact, it makes taking all underdogs a winning strategy. There's a good reason Vegas makes millions year in and year out.
Lightning Flik Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 The other way put in more thought. Honestly, if we got super-sized from now on, if they are more than 5, everyone's taking the underdog in most cases. To get people to put in different responses, you should ask that they PM their picks.
CanadianChris Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 The other way put in more thought. Honestly, if we got super-sized from now on, if they are more than 5, everyone's taking the underdog in most cases. To get people to put in different responses, you should ask that they PM their picks. Agreed. How many times have people differed by a small number of games only because one person targeted one weak game that was already posted on the opponent's side?
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 The other way put in more thought. Honestly, if we got super-sized from now on, if they are more than 5, everyone's taking the underdog in most cases. To get people to put in different responses, you should ask that they PM their picks. Agreed. How many times have people differed by a small number of games only because one person targeted one weak game that was already posted on the opponent's side? I actually lost by half a point, even though the team I picked won. Damned blocked PAT.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 22, 2004 Author Report Posted November 22, 2004 Agreed. How many times have people differed by a small number of games only because one person targeted one weak game that was already posted on the opponent's side? The problem with that is if I made everyone PM their picks, too many people would piss and moan about it. That's why I made it optional. If your opponent "scouts" your picks, then that's the price you pay for not PM'ing them...
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Agreed. How many times have people differed by a small number of games only because one person targeted one weak game that was already posted on the opponent's side? The problem with that is if I made everyone PM their picks, too many people would piss and moan about it. That's why I made it optional. If your opponent "scouts" your picks, then that's the price you pay for not PM'ing them... That's why I DO PM you my picks.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 22, 2004 Author Report Posted November 22, 2004 And I disagree with the theory everyone will just take the underdogs 1) Look at the DIFF matchups this week 2) In the matchups where the favorite was 5+ points, five covered, six won but didn't cover and one outright lost (two more games can still be factored in). Oh yeah, insta-results... Arizona (Vern Gagne 8-2) d Carolina (Fazzle 2-8) 12-6 AZ: AZ/BAL/DEN/DET/IND/CLE/PIT/TB/BUF/TEN/MIA/SD/NYG/PHI/HOU/KC/24 (pm) CAR: AZ/BAL/NO/MIN/CHI/NYJ/CIN/SF/STL/JAX/MIA/SD/NYG/PHI/GB/NE/22 DIFF: DEN/NO, DET/MIN, IND/CHI, CLE/NYJ, PIT/CIN, TB/SF, BUF/STL, TEN/JAX, HOU/GB, KC/NE, 24/22 Dallas (BX 4-6) d Baltimore (Dr. Tom 4-6) 7-4 DAL: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/IND/NYJ/PIT/SF/STL/TEN/MIA/OAK/ATL/PHI/GB/KC/20 BAL: AZ/DAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/KC/24 (pm) DIFF: DET/MIN, SF/TB, TEN/JAX, MIA/SEA, OAK/SD New Orleans (A Mike SC 6-4) d Denver (Canadian Chris 5-5) 9-6 DEN: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/CLE/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/WAS/GB/KC/26 NO: CAR/BAL/NO/MIN/CHI/CLE/CIN/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/OAK/NYG/PHI/HOU/KC/24 (ep) DIFF: DEN/NO, IND/CHI, PIT/CIN, SD/OAK, ATL/NYG, WAS/PHI, GB/HOU Detroit (Bravesfan 5-4) at Minnesota (La Parka Marka 5-4) 4-4 via TB 23-19=4/28-22=6 DET: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/23 MIN: AZ/DAL/NO/MIN/IND/CLE/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/HOU/KC/28 DIFF: DEN/NO, DET/MIN, CHI/IND, NYJ/CLE, GB/HOU, NE/KC, 23/28 Indianapolis (No Cal Mike 4-6) d Chicago (Agent of Oblivion 6-4) 5-4 IND: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/CLE/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/WAS/GB/KC/ CHI: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/KC/28 DIFF: AZ/CAR, BAL/DAL, MIN/DET, IND/CHI, CLE/NYJ, WAS/PHI, /28 Cleveland (SFA Jack 5-5) d N.Y. Jets (Gert T 3-7) 9-8 NYJ: CAR/BAL/NO/MIN/IND/NYJ/CIN/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/HOU/NE/24 CLE: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/IND/CLE/PIT/SF/BUF/JAX/MIA/OAK/ATL/PHI/HOU/KC/21 (pm) DIFF: CAR/AZ, BAL/DAL, NO/DEN, MIN/DET, NYJ/CLE, CIN/PIT, TB/SF, STL/BUF, SEA/MIA, SD/OAK, NE/KC Cincinnati (Swift Terror 7-3) d Pittsburgh (Tyler McClelland 6-4) 7-5 PIT: CAR/DAL/NO/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/OAK/ATL/WAS/GB/NE/27 CIN: AZ/BAL/NO/MIN/CHI/CLE/CIN/TB/BUF/JAX/MIA/SD/NYG/WAS/GB/KC/28 (pm) DIFF: CAR/AZ, DAL/BAL, IND/CHI, NYJ/CLE, PIT/CIN, STL/BUF, SEA/MIA, OAK/SD, ATL/NYG, NE/KC, 27/28 Tampa Bay (Starvenger 4-6) d San Francisco (Agent Bond 34 5-5) 10-6 SF: AZ/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/25 TB: AZ/BAL/DEN/DET/IND/CLE/PIT/TB/BUF/TEN/MIA/SD/ATL/WAS/HOU/KC/30 DIFF: MIN/DET/ NYJ/CLE, STL/BUF, JAX/TEN, SEA/MIA, PHI/WAS, GB/HOU, NE/KC, 25/30 St. Louis (Cerebus 316 7-3) d Buffalo (Bob Barron 5-5) 8-8 via TB; 7-17=10/14-37=23 STL: AZ/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/BUF/TEN/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/7 (pm) BUF: AZ/BAL/NO/DET/IND/NYJ/PIT/ TB/STL/TEN/SEA/SD/NYG/PHI/GB/NE/14 DIFF: DEN/NO, MIN/DET, BUF/STL, ATL/NYG, 7/14 Tennessee (Chuck Woolery 4-6) d Jacksonville (Always Pissed Off 2-8) 11-7 TEN: CAR/DAL/DEN/MIN/IND/CLE/PIT/SF/BUF/TEN/MIA/SD/NYG/PHI/HOU/NE/10 JAX: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/20 DIFF: DAL/BAL, CLE/NYJ, SF/TB, BUF/STL, TEN/JAX, MIA/SEA, NYG/ATL, HOU/GB, 10/20 Seattle (Mr. Rant 5-5) d Miami (Spaceman Spiff 2-8) 7-6 MIA: CAR/DAL/NO/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/BUF/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/WAS/HOU/NE/16 SEA: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/28 (ep) DIFF: DAL/BAL, NO/DEN, BUF/STL, WAS/PHI, HOU/GB Oakland (The Bitch 5-5) d San Diego (Slasher Flick 6-4) 8-7 SD: AZ/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/MIA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/34 (pm) OAK: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/SF/BUF/TEN/MIA/OAK/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/24 DIFF: BAL/DAL, MIN/DET, IND/CHI, TB/SF, STL/BUF, JAX/TEN, SD/OAK Atlanta (Lightning Flik 7-2) at N.Y. Giants (Cartman 5-4) 8-7 ATL: CAR/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/TB/BUF/JAX/MIA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/28 (pm) NYG: AZ/BAL/NO/MIN/IND/NYJ/CIN/TB/BUF/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/HOU/KC/21 DIFF: CAR/AZ, DAL/BAL, DEN/NO, DET/MIN, CHI/IND, PIT/CIN, MIA/SEA, GB/HOU, NE/KC Washington (Human Fly 2-8) at Philadelphia (MD 2020 5-5) 10-7 WAS: CAR/BAL/NO/MIN/CHI/CLE/CIN/TB/BUF/JAX/SEA/OAK/NYG/PHI/HOU/KC/17 (ep) PHI: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/TB/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/24 (ep) DIFF: NO/DEN, CHI/IND, CLE/NYJ, CIN/PIT, BUF/STL, OAK/SD, NYG/ATL, HOU/GB, KC/NE Houston (Bored 7-3) d Green Bay (Vitamin X 7-3) 9-5 GB: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/MIA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/31 (pm) HOU: AZ/DAL/DEN/DET/IND/CLE/PIT/SF/BUF/TEN/MIA/SD/ATL/WAS/HOU/NE/24 DIFF: CHI/IND, NYJ/CLE, STL/BUF, JAX/TEN, PHI/WAS, GB/HOU 31/24 New England (nl5xsk1 5-5) at Kansas City (No Good Nick 4-6) 11-4 NE: CAR/BAL/DEN/MIN/IND/CLE/CIN/TB/STL/TEN/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/HOU/NE/24 KC: AZ/DAL/DEN/MIN/IND/NYJ/PIT/SF/STL/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/17 DIFF: CAR/AZ, BAL/DEN, CLE/NYJ, CIN/PIT, TB/SF, TEN/JAX, HOU/GB
Lightning Flik Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Atlanta (Lightning Flik 7-2) at N.Y. Giants (Cartman 5-4) TBD as of Sunday Night ATL: CAR/DAL/DEN/DET/CHI/NYJ/PIT/TB/BUF/JAX/MIA/SD/ATL/PHI/GB/NE/28 (pm) NYG: AZ/BAL/NO/MIN/IND/NYJ/CIN/TB/BUF/JAX/SEA/SD/ATL/PHI/HOU/KC/21 DIFF: *CAR/AZ, DAL/*BAL, *DEN/NO, *DET/MIN, CHI/*IND, PIT/*CIN, *MIA/SEA, GB/HOU, NE/KC Oh lookie. The star by the person's team is the winner of it. Geez, if GB wins now, I win! GO GREEN BAY GO!
Bored Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 This week I get to maintain my first place ranking and simultaneously stomp the Texans out of the "Elite". Awesome. Houston (Bored 7-3) d Green Bay (Vitamin X 7-3) I'm elite, bitch! You shouldn't have given my team that locker room material.
fazzle Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 ........ ............ ............... I suck.
Vern Gagne Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Whoever makes these lines is an idiot. Look at the vegas lines in the paper and it's like 3 points difference. What rube made that statement.
Lightning Flik Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Well my matchup now depends on New England killing KC. ...fuck.
Vern Gagne Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Excelllent week. 12-3 with the NE/KC game pending. I'm hoping KC wins so I'll be a full game ahead of Flik who beat me head to head.
Lightning Flik Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Excelllent week. 12-3 with the NE/KC game pending. I'm hoping KC wins so I'll be a full game ahead of Flik who beat me head to head. No, NE shall kill KC by the necessary 6. They had better. Well, I went fuck because they probably won't. However, if I win I DEMAND my ass be in 1st fucking place in the Power Weekly Polls.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 22, 2004 Author Report Posted November 22, 2004 Whoever makes these lines is an idiot. Look at the vegas lines in the paper and it's like 3 points difference. What rube made that statement. The same rube that got a dozen or so picks right this week. So what about it? How do you want the point spreads to work for the rest of the year? Vote, or DIE!!!! Oh yeah, and with games moving to Thursday, the deadline won't be Wednesday -- it'll still be early Saturday or late Friday, depending on if there are Saturday games. If you don't make Thursday picks by a certain time I just won't count them, but they won't cost you a week's worth of picks. And don't forget, the person with the best performance next week gets the kkk Turkey, already slaughtered for your convenience... (_) /\ ___O>
Guest Vitamin X Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 This week I get to maintain my first place ranking and simultaneously stomp the Texans out of the "Elite". Awesome. Houston (Bored 7-3) d Green Bay (Vitamin X 7-3) I'm elite, bitch! You shouldn't have given my team that locker room material. Fucking: Bears Jaguars Jets I hate them all. Especially the Bears for not being able to even keep it close to competitive. Humph. You got lucky I took some retarded point spreads this week.
Vern Gagne Posted November 23, 2004 Report Posted November 23, 2004 So what about it? How do you want the point spreads to work for the rest of the year? Vote, or DIE!!!! Challenge Me, Hippy.
Lightning Flik Posted November 23, 2004 Report Posted November 23, 2004 PATS GOT 8 MORE POINTS THAN THE CHIEFS!!! SIX STRAIGHT WINS PEOPLE!
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Posted November 23, 2004 Well, the masses have spoken, kinda. Point spreads will be tweaked by a few points from here on out, much like they have been all year. Goodbye SUPER-SIZED point spreads. I will say, though, that next year the spreads probably will be SUPER-SIZED, so you've been warned. And speaking of next year, some of you guys are pretty much out of playoff contention (although the AFC and NFC East Divisions can still be won by the last-place teams, imo). However, if you want to keep your team next year, still make your picks. Not only can you play spoiler for some poster, but also if you miss 5 games this year, your team will be an available franchise. Basically, what I'm going to do next year is give first dibs to everyone that played this year and didn't use their emergency picks five times. Then I will open up the remaining teams to anyone who wants them. If I had to use emergency picks five times this year for a team, that team will be available to the first person to claim them. For example, if bob_barron didn't post picks five times this year, his Bills team will be on the open market. Bob could still claim them, but he runs the risk of someone else taking them. The only exception I'm making to this rule is the week or two Agent Bond had to use his Emergency Picks because he was unjustly banned at the time and had no way to send me his picks. Anyway, back to this year. Standings are up. Two side notes: 1) Bob has the season sweep over nl5xsk1. 2) Agent Bond has the season sweep over Mr. Rant... AFC EAST Buffalo Bills (bob_barron) 5-5 <PF: 65, PA: 75, AFC: 5-3, NFC: 0-2, Div: 3-2> New England Patriots (nl5xsk1) 5-5 <PF: 74, PA: 68, AFC: 4-3, NFC: 1-2, Div: 3-1> New York Jets (Gert T) 3-7 <PF: 66, PA: 69, AFC: 3-7, NFC: 0-0, Div: 2-3> Miami Dolphins (Spaceman Spiff) 2-8 <PF: 69, PA: 79, AFC: 2-5, NFC: 0-3, Div: 2-2> AFC NORTH Cincinnati Bengals (Swift Terror) 7-3 <PF: 73, PA: 66 AFC: 5-3, NFC: 2-0, DIV: 2-2> Pittsburgh Steelers (Tyler McClelland) 6-4 <PF: 73, PA: 68, AFC: 4-4, NFC: 2-0, DIV: 2-2> Cleveland Browns (sfaJack) 5-5 <PF: 68, PA: 74, AFC: 4-2, NFC: 1-3, DIV: 3-2> Baltimore Ravens (Dr. Tom) 4-6 <PF: 70, PA: 70, AFC: 3-4, NFC: 1-2, DIV: 2-2> AFC SOUTH Houston Texans (Bored) 7-3 <PF: 72, PA: 71, AFC: 5-2, NFC: 2-1, DIV: 3-0> Tennessee Titans (Chuck Woolery) 4-6 <PF: 72, PA: 66, AFC: 4-3, NFC: 0-3, DIV: 2-2> Indianapolis Colts (NoCal Mike) 4-6 <PF: 61, PA: 65, AFC: 3-4, NFC: 1-2, DIV: 2-2> Jacksonville Jaguars (Always Pissed Off) 2-8 <PF: 70, PA: 80, AFC: 2-7, NFC: 0-1, DIV: 1-4> AFC WEST San Diego Chargers (Slasher Flick) 6-4 <PF: 74, PA: 64, AFC: 4-3, NFC: 2-1, DIV: 0-3> Denver Broncos (Canadian Chris) 5-5 <PF: 72, PA: 76, AFC: 4-2, NFC: 1-3, DIV: 3-0> Oakland Raiders (The Bitch) 5-5 <PF: 71, PA: 71, AFC: 3-4, NFC: 2-1, DIV: 2-1> Kansas City Chiefs (nogoodnick) 4-6 <PF: 70, PA: 69, AFC: 3-3, NFC: 1-3, DIV: 0-1> NFC EAST New York Giants (Cartman) 5-5 <PF: 68, PA: 74, AFC: 1-0, NFC: 4-5, DIV: 3-0> Philadelphia Eagles (MD2020) 5-5 <PF: 68, PA: 72, AFC: 2-1, NFC: 3-4, DIV: 1-2> Dallas Cowboys (BX) 4-6 <PF: 76, PA: 77, AFC: 2-2, NFC: 2-4, DIV: 1-2> Washington Redskins (Human Fly) 2-8 <PF: 67, PA: 75, AFC: 0-3, NFC: 2-5 DIV: 1-2> NFC NORTH Green Bay Packers (Vitamin X) 7-3 <PF: 72, PA: 72, AFC: 2-1, NFC: 5-2, DIV: 2-1> Detroit Lions (bravesfan) 6-4 <PF: 72, PA: 71, AFC: 1-1, NFC: 5-3, DIV: 2-1> Chicago Bears (Agent of Oblivion) 6-4 <PF: 75, PA: 74, AFC: 1-1, NFC: 5-3, DIV: 1-2> Minnesota Vikings (LaParkaMarka) 5-5 <PF: 72, PA: 66, AFC: 3-0, NFC: 2-5, DIV: 1-2> NFC SOUTH Atlanta Falcons (Lightning Flik) 8-2 <PF: 71, PA: 66, AFC: 3-0, NFC: 5-2, DIV: 2-0> New Orleans Saints (A/The Mike SC) 6-4 <PF: 76, PA: 76, AFC: 3-1, NFC: 3-3, DIV: 1-0> Tampa Bay Buccaneers (starvenger) 4-6 <PF: 72, PA: 70, AFC: 1-2, NFC: 2-5, DIV: 0-2> Carolina Panthers (Fazzle) 2-8 <PF: 62, PA: 78, AFC: 1-2, NFC: 1-6, DIV: 0-1> NFC WEST Arizona Cardinals (Vern Gagne) 8-2 <PF: 78, PA: 64, AFC: 2-0, NFC: 6-2, DIV: 2-1> St. Louis Rams (cerebus316) 7-3 <PF: 69, PA: 63, AFC: 3-0, NFC: 4-3, DIV: 3-1> San Francisco 49ers (Agent Bond34) 5-5 <PF: 66, PA: 76, AFC: 1-0, NFC: 4-5, DIV: 2-3> Seattle Seahawks (Mr. Rant) 5-5 <PF: 74, PA: 73, AFC: 1-1, NFC: 4-4, DIV: 1-4>
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