WWF/E Tidbits from the past

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No, the plan was to do HHH/Undertaker at Backlash for a while. But WWE saw the support Hogan was getting and wanted to capitalize on it quickly. On the same token, the fans were rather flat for the HHH/Taker feud throughout April as they were building it up. As a result, Hogan/HHH got the Backlash slot in order to pop a nice buyrate quickly. Then, two months later, they decided to run the HHH/Taker match anyway. Despite the fact they knew the crowd wasn't into it two months earlier, they still tried to stick with the plan -- coming up with one of the worst PPV Main Events in a long time.

 

The Flair/McMahon storyline wasn't planned until they decided to change the Backlash Main Event a few weeks before the show.

actually the hhh/taker match was annoucned on the second post split raw, the changed to hogan/hhh on sd the same week, (actually the very next night as sd is taped on tuesdays). Hogan came out with his new red and yellow boas and tights.

Taker/HHH was announced the first post draft RAW. The week before was the actual draft on RAW and then Smackdown! that week was a farewell of one brand or something with tag partners saying bye and such. I was there for the first Smackdown! roster only Smackdown!; which was in Rochester and I think RAW was in Buffalo the night before. I think Rock gave Hogan the blessing for the title shot or something. Main event that night was Rock/Jericho.

[Jericholic82 0]

No, the plan was to do HHH/Undertaker at Backlash for a while. But WWE saw the support Hogan was getting and wanted to capitalize on it quickly. On the same token, the fans were rather flat for the HHH/Taker feud throughout April as they were building it up. As a result, Hogan/HHH got the Backlash slot in order to pop a nice buyrate quickly. Then, two months later, they decided to run the HHH/Taker match anyway. Despite the fact they knew the crowd wasn't into it two months earlier, they still tried to stick with the plan -- coming up with one of the worst PPV Main Events in a long time.

 

The Flair/McMahon storyline wasn't planned until they decided to change the Backlash Main Event a few weeks before the show.

actually the hhh/taker match was annoucned on the second post split raw, the changed to hogan/hhh on sd the same week, (actually the very next night as sd is taped on tuesdays). Hogan came out with his new red and yellow boas and tights.

Taker/HHH was announced the first post draft RAW. The week before was the actual draft on RAW and then Smackdown! that week was a farewell of one brand or something with tag partners saying bye and such. I was there for the first Smackdown! roster only Smackdown!; which was in Rochester and I think RAW was in Buffalo the night before. I think Rock gave Hogan the blessing for the title shot or something. Main event that night was Rock/Jericho.

sorry I meant first post draft raw. I guess I was just counting the draft raw as the first split raw by accident. thanks for the correction.

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I should know this I have all those shows on tape lol.

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Before deciding to bring in Hall, Nash, and Hogan in 2002, did the WWF have any tenative plans for Austin and Rock at Wrestlemania?

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Before deciding to bring in Hall, Nash, and Hogan in 2002, did the WWF have any tenative plans for Austin and Rock at Wrestlemania?

I think the original idea was for Austin v Hunter.

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Before deciding to bring in Hall, Nash, and Hogan in 2002, did the WWF have any tenative plans for Austin and Rock at Wrestlemania?

I think the original idea was for Austin v Hunter.

When did they know for sure that Hall, Hogan, and Nash were coming in?

 

Because if the original plan was Austin vs. Hunter, Jericho obviously wouldn't have won the title. Who would Rock have faced? I assume Austin would have still been a heel? I'm just wondering when the plans changed to involve the nWo guys.

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When did they know for sure that Hall, Hogan, and Nash were coming in?

 

Because if the original plan was Austin vs. Hunter, Jericho obviously wouldn't have won the title. Who would Rock have faced? I assume Austin would have still been a heel? I'm just wondering when the plans changed to involve the nWo guys.

Negotiations started in late December of 2001, so they figured they would be coming in soon, seeing as it was a given that they'd come to a deal sooner or later.

 

I know the plan for Austin v Hunter was floated after Hunter was injured, but I'm not sure on when they went with the idea for Jericho to win the Undisputed Title at Vengeance of that year, which was done solely so Hunter could win the Undisputed Title from Jericho at WM XVIII.

 

If Austin v Hunter would have been done, I'm guessing it would have been built up like Austin v Rock the year before, but with them trying to make Austin the subtle heel, so Hunter could come out as the victorious babyface champion.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Did HHH play heel in the HHH/Hogan match from Backlash 02?

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Did HHH play heel in the HHH/Hogan match from Backlash 02?

Basically yes. He had come off as the heel in the promos leading up to it, and he acted a bit heelish in the ring, though he did shake hogans hand afterwards.

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Remember those rumors of Kane & Taker (win tag titles) Vs. Hall & Nash?

 

And for the WM the year before, the "pretty much confirmed" match between Taker & Kane Vs. Rikishi & Haku

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Did HHH play heel in the HHH/Hogan match from Backlash 02?

Basically yes. He had come off as the heel in the promos leading up to it, and he acted a bit heelish in the ring, though he did shake hogans hand afterwards.

But he was really INTENSE~ in doing it, no matter what the alignment.

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Remember those rumors of Kane & Taker (win tag titles) Vs. Hall & Nash?

 

And for the WM the year before, the "pretty much confirmed" match between Taker & Kane Vs. Rikishi & Haku

yeppers, the iwc was ready to hang themselves.

[Guest jm29195]

And for the WM the year before, the "pretty much confirmed" match between Taker & Kane Vs. Rikishi & Haku

 

 

Didn't they have a first blood match on Raw with a screwy ending to set that one up?

 

The match was changed because on The SD after in a singles match Taker put Rikishi's shoulder out with a swinging ddt, keeping him on the sidelines until just before Judgment Day.....

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Here's one from Rolling Stone magazine.

 

Former WCW fat jobber ROADBLACK was interviewed about being an "enhancement" wrestler, who at the time (this was early 90's) made 300 bucks a gig.

 

Talks about his start. In 1988, he confronted Hulk Hogan before a show somehow, asked him to take a look at him work, and Hogan basically gave him a "fuck off" reply.

 

During the WWF show, Hogan was set to wrestle One Man Gang. Roadblock, who had a ticket, jumped the guard rail, chased Gang into the ring, jumped on him, and simulated a "pin". 'Block explained how he did this to "show Hogan his stuff" foolishly before being kicked out.

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I predict he would've been 75% more over had he kept 'Roadblack' as a name.

 

Still, not too bright, is he?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Haha, "Roadblack" would've been money. Sorry, 'twas like 6 AM.

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Here's one from Rolling Stone magazine.

 

Former WCW fat jobber ROADBLACK was interviewed about being an "enhancement" wrestler, who at the time (this was early 90's) made 300 bucks a gig.

 

Talks about his start. In 1988, he confronted Hulk Hogan before a show somehow, asked him to take a look at him work, and Hogan basically gave him a "fuck off" reply.

 

During the WWF show, Hogan was set to wrestle One Man Gang. Roadblock, who had a ticket, jumped the guard rail, chased Gang into the ring, jumped on him, and simulated a "pin". 'Block explained how he did this to "show Hogan his stuff" foolishly before being kicked out.

Roadblock in Rolling Stone?

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I was just wondering, was there any truth to the rumor that HBK got in a fight with Tommy Lee at Wrestlemania XI over Pamela?

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I don't think there was a "fight" as such, but I believe Tommy Lee was pretty pissed with how close HBK was getting to her and wanted to "have a word" with him but Pamela convinced him it was nothing to worry about.

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I don't think there was a "fight" as such, but I believe Tommy Lee was pretty pissed with how close HBK was getting to her and wanted to "have a word" with him but Pamela convinced him it was nothing to worry about.

perhaps thats why pam came out with disel instead of michaels as originally advertised?

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During the era of the WCW Invasion, etc., wasn't there a rumor that Mike Sanders was going to debut as a gay character, before they decided to run with Billy & Chuck?

 

What was Raven's big plan during his HEAT days that was supposed to involve him, Dreamer and Hurricane? I vaguely remember him discussing this and it had something to do with Hurricane eventually turning heel.

[Guest jm29195]

What was Raven's big plan during his HEAT days that was supposed to involve him, Dreamer and Hurricane? I vaguely remember him discussing this and it had something to do with Hurricane eventually turning heel.

 

 

From Raven's second shoot interview:-

 

 

His final storyline before getting fired- He was going to turn Hurricane heel in a program with Tommy Dreamer and himself. He’d turn Hurricane into such a heel that Hurricane would turn on him, which would make him a tweener. Dreamer would be trying to play the angel and keeping Hurricane as a face while he would be the Devil and trying to turn him heel. There’s more than that but that’s the simplest form of it. After that, Hurricane would then bring in an OVW sidekick and a girl who would supposedly be the head of his fan club. The long and short of it would be that Hurricane would become a major player, getting over an OVW guy as a monster, Hurricane’s valet, revitalize Raven and Dreamer’s careers, etc. without having to work with a Triple H or other big star to do it. The first reason he couldn’t do it was that Brian Gerwitz didn’t want to turn Hurricane heel since he’d come up with the Hurricane character. Then Gerwitz wanted to make Hurricane heel but use his own idea “which probably fucking sucks and he wanted to cock-block me out.” (Gerwitz’ idea was for Hurricane and Trish Stratus to tag against Stevie Richards and Victoria, they win and hug after the match, Hurricane thinks that Trish likes him and writes her a note, she tells him sorry because she’s got a boyfriend, he turns heel. Raven’s right… it sucks.) “That’s the stupidest fuckin’ idea I’ve ever heard” and that his blows Gerwitz’ away on so many levels it isn’t funny. He knew he was gone as soon as he’d heard the idea because he had also heard that he’d be offered a writing position after he left but figured the writers kept it from happening. He wouldn’t have taken it anyway because he wouldn’t want to see his work trampled by incompetence.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I was just wondering, was there any truth to the rumor that HBK got in a fight with Tommy Lee at Wrestlemania XI over Pamela?

Total fabrication.

 

perhaps thats why pam came out with disel instead of michaels as originally advertised?

 

Pam came out with Diesel because he was the top babyface and she was the top star on the show. Simple logic.

[Guest jm29195]

During the era of the WCW Invasion, etc., wasn't there a rumor that Mike Sanders was going to debut as a gay character, before they decided to run with Billy & Chuck?

 

 

Quotes taken from 1wrestling:-

 

 

12/06/02

 

Mike Sanders was not among those cut by the WWF recently and the promotion may actually have plans to introduce him as some sort of gay character. No other details are available right now.

 

(Sanders is released on the 20th June 2002)

 

 

15/08/02

 

Mike Sanders, who was recently released from his WWE developmental contract, blames WWE politics on his dismissal. Sanders believes he was caught in the middle of a power struggle between Kevin Nash and Paul Heyman.

 

Sanders, who has become real life friends with Nash, was apparently not liked by Heyman. Sanders was trying out to be Raw commentator when Heyman was doing that job, and he believes that Heyman worked against him.

 

Sanders has a 90 day non-compete clause, after which he is expected to sign with NWA:TNA.

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What was Raven's big plan during his HEAT days that was supposed to involve him, Dreamer and Hurricane? I vaguely remember him discussing this and it had something to do with Hurricane eventually turning heel.

 

 

From Raven's second shoot interview:-

 

 

His final storyline before getting fired- He was going to turn Hurricane heel in a program with Tommy Dreamer and himself. He’d turn Hurricane into such a heel that Hurricane would turn on him, which would make him a tweener. Dreamer would be trying to play the angel and keeping Hurricane as a face while he would be the Devil and trying to turn him heel. There’s more than that but that’s the simplest form of it. After that, Hurricane would then bring in an OVW sidekick and a girl who would supposedly be the head of his fan club. The long and short of it would be that Hurricane would become a major player, getting over an OVW guy as a monster, Hurricane’s valet, revitalize Raven and Dreamer’s careers, etc. without having to work with a Triple H or other big star to do it. The first reason he couldn’t do it was that Brian Gerwitz didn’t want to turn Hurricane heel since he’d come up with the Hurricane character. Then Gerwitz wanted to make Hurricane heel but use his own idea “which probably fucking sucks and he wanted to cock-block me out.” (Gerwitz’ idea was for Hurricane and Trish Stratus to tag against Stevie Richards and Victoria, they win and hug after the match, Hurricane thinks that Trish likes him and writes her a note, she tells him sorry because she’s got a boyfriend, he turns heel. Raven’s right… it sucks.) “That’s the stupidest fuckin’ idea I’ve ever heard” and that his blows Gerwitz’ away on so many levels it isn’t funny. He knew he was gone as soon as he’d heard the idea because he had also heard that he’d be offered a writing position after he left but figured the writers kept it from happening. He wouldn’t have taken it anyway because he wouldn’t want to see his work trampled by incompetence.

Nice to see Gerwitz went out of his way to stop an angle from happening on frickin Heat.

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About the Pam/HBK/Diesal thing...

 

I could have sworn I remembered seeing vignettes leading up to WM11 with HBK and Pam and Pam looking really annoyed like she didn't want to be with Michaels and at WM, she just came out with Diesal because he's a "real man". That's the way it was supposed to come out I think.

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Did Sid reappear in 1996 before, during, or after The Ultimate Warrior's disappearence. I remember I went to a house show in July of 1996 and The Ultimate Warrior Vs Davey Boy Smith was the scheduled semi- main event and Howard Finkel announced "The Ultimate Warrior will not be here tonight due to a death in his family. Taking his place....Psycho Sid." and everybody in the audience was shocked. Then Sid walked out and beat DBS within a minute. I've never seen an audience go from being to confused to going apeshit in that fast of time.

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When Warrior walked out, Sid was brought back to replace him, including taking his place on those house shows.

[King Kamala 0]

That's what I thought.

 

Was Sid going to be brought in regardless of the Warrior's disappearence? Or was it a last minute replacement deal?

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Last minute deal.