Bears want to sign Jeff George

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I think Kordell plays for Baltimore now.

 

And just to comment on various posts in here- I'm a Packers fan originally from Illinois-Bears country-who now lives near LA, where they still love the Raiders. What a coinky-dink.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think Kordell plays for Baltimore now.

 

And just to comment on various posts in here- I'm a Packers fan originally from Illinois-Bears country-who now lives near LA, where they still love the Raiders. What a coinky-dink.

And I a Bears fan living in the LA area where they support the Raiders and Chargers.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Give up the Bears for the Packers? In IL? Shame on you Matt Young shame on you.

[Matt Young 0]

I haven't seen anyone who supports the Chargers here, really, despite SD being closer than Oakland. I know there are some holdovers from the LA Raiders days, but you don't see any LA Rams shit around here. They have whole stores dedicated to Raiders gear in the malls.

 

Czech- I was in Springfield, not the Chicago area like you. I was closer to St. Louis than Chicago. I never did like the Bears, either. I only watched the Super Bowl (why that and no other games, I don't know) from the 1992 season til the '95 season.

 

In '95 (more like January '96 probably), I saw the Packers play the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. Ever since, I have been dedicated football fan and a devout Packers enthusiast.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Packer fans from Wisconsin ought to be blasted into space.

[Slayer 0]

Oddly enough, snuffbox is the only Packers fan here who is actually from Wisconsin

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Packer fans from Wisconsin ought to be blasted into space.

Eiter that, or have them sucked into a giant chasm.

 

Anyway, JEFF GEORGE?!? I'll stick with krenzell. The season's pretty much done for my beloved Bears. Just wait until Grossman's healthy, along with Brown and Urlacher and start over next season.

 

WAIT~! Can Tim Rosenbach still throw? If Andre Ware deserves another shot, certainly Rosenbach does as well. I mean, you can't fault the guy for being drafted by the Cardinals back in the day.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I think Kordell plays for Baltimore now. 

 

  And just to comment on various posts in here- I'm a Packers fan originally from Illinois-Bears country-who now lives near LA, where they still love the Raiders.  What a coinky-dink.

And I a Bears fan living in the LA area where they support the Raiders and Chargers.

And I a Packer fan who grew up in the LA area where everyone has a different favorite team, and now living in Miami and having to put up with assholes who can't let go of 1972. True story, I was at a sports bar where some other Packer fans gather to watch the games on Sunday Ticket, and there was this table of Dolphin fans who were harassing us for cheering them on. They were talking all this shit "Why are you guys even cheering they're not even going to do shit in the playoffs this year?" And I asked him who he liked and when he replied the Dolphins, everyone around me laughed and said "Yeah, they're REALLY going places this year." (at the time they still hadn't won a game) And he said "Yeah, well... HAS YOUR TEAM EVER GONE UNDEFEATED? HUH? HUH? Ever been to Wisconsin? HUH?"

 

*sigh*

 

So when did having to be from a certain city or town become THE requirement for liking a franchise or not? The only team I've ever liked that was from my town was the Lakers, and to a certain extent, the Dodgers. I'd been a Packer and Avalanche/Nordiques fan through good and shitty times, at least from what I've lived. I've had the extraordinary luck of having grown up in the Brett Favre and Kobe/Shaq era at the same time.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Packer fans from Wisconsin ought to be blasted into space.

Eiter that, or have them sucked into a giant chasm.

Whatever it takes man, whatever it takes.

 

"oh yah, de Paickers are gonna have a good game up dere in Minnysooeta hey? Now let me get a drink from the bubbler before I bring in some baigs of groceries from de Pick-n-Save dere."

[Slayer 0]

VX would look rather out of place in Wisconsin

[The Czech Republic 0]

So when did having to be from a certain city or town become THE requirement for liking a franchise or not?

You can like any team from any town, but I think being a part of the team's greater area is still important, even in these days of out-of-market satellite packages and Internet streaming. I can root for the Boston Red Sox all I want in the American League, but there's a degree of devotion and community that, as a non-New Englander, I can never feel nor understand, and cannot call myself the same kind of fan that someone from in or around Boston, or Rhode Island, or Maine, can do easily. I think it varies from team to team, really, but the Packers definitely fall in that class, where if you're not a Wisconsinite, you're not getting the full experience.

[The Czech Republic 0]

In this case, the full experience is being drunk off your ass with a foam cheese wedge on your head, surrounded by flannel-clad men with strange vowel pronunciations in an antler-adorned house.

[Slayer 0]

The only time I've ever really seen issue with people getting on fans of teams in cities that they're not native to is with the Yankees and maybe the Lakers.

 

I personally get on Packers fans because, well, they're Packers fans.

[The Czech Republic 0]

If you get on a Packer fan of the female persuasion, you might need a stepstool or something

[Guest Vitamin X]

The only time I've ever really seen issue with people getting on fans of teams in cities that they're not native to is with the Yankees and maybe the Lakers.

I agree in this case, because it's obviously because those teams have a tradition of doing well and can therefore win another championship and rub it in other peoples' faces.

 

VX would look rather out of place in Wisconsin

Why is that? I think I'd blend in rather easily there. Except for my California accent that would give me away, but regardless.

 

You can like any team from any town, but I think being a part of the team's greater area is still important, even in these days of out-of-market satellite packages and Internet streaming. I can root for the Boston Red Sox all I want in the American League, but there's a degree of devotion and community that, as a non-New Englander, I can never feel nor understand, and cannot call myself the same kind of fan that someone from in or around Boston, or Rhode Island, or Maine, can do easily. I think it varies from team to team, really, but the Packers definitely fall in that class, where if you're not a Wisconsinite, you're not getting the full experience.

 

I'm not so sure I agree with that. Even before the advent of out-of-market satellite packages and internet streaming, you still had a lot of folks who supported other teams because they loved the way they played and the players they had, and the tradition they upheld, which were some of the reasons from me beginning to be a Packer fan from the start. Also, it seems rather obvious you've never been to Los Angeles.. where the only fans of any football team that had ever passed through were Raider fans, and in the time that I grew up, the Raiders were at best average, and the Rams were still, well.. the Rams. There were a ton of 49er fans, although a lot of Southern Californians couldn't bring themselves to like a team from up north regardless, and so you had people from all over the league liking different teams. NFL seasons were always fun in high school because I'd be in the same class with Panthers, 49ers, Lions, Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Cowboys, and Broncos fans. Hell, just among my group of friends (in which I'm the only cheesehead), there's a 49er, Cowboy, Raider, and Dolphin fan. Most of them hadn't ever been to the towns those teams corresponded to, either.

 

There was a Redskin fan sitting next to me the same day as that sports bar incident occured, and he had been telling me about how back in the day you had a ton of folks all along the East Coast from Maryland on down to South Florida (which was/is Dolphin country) who were Redskin fans because noone really cared much for the Falcons, and a lot of folks in the South were still Redskin fans from the teams they grew up on. I think that the boundaries of what team you're supposed to like aren't necessarily limited to that's my hometown team, let's cheer for them and that's that. On a high school, amateur, and collegiate level yes, but in the pros, especially in this modern era, players fly from team to team to team and allegiance is fleeting, with few exceptions. You can identify Johnny Unitas with Baltimore, or Terry Bradshaw with Pittsburgh, but now you have guys like Kurt Warner, T.O., and Shaq (I know it's basketball but it still applies) who built up their identity and were made a superstar in one city and go to another team, just like that. I'm not so sure as to what you're getting at by the degree of community and devotion in being from Illinois and rooting for the Red Sox as opposed to being from Boston.. I think that if you've been a fan of a team through the good and bad, that's enough devotion right there. The only thing I can think of as different being a Laker fan here as opposed to in LA is I just don't see the freeway jampacked with little yellow Laker flags from every car like I used to.

 

Anywas, enough with my off-topic rambling..

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Wisconsin might be the most annoying state.

 

Wait, no. Texas. WI is 2nd.

[Slayer 0]

I think Wisconsin has the largest collection of racists outside of the South

 

And I second that Texas is an annoying state. Everything down there is "We're Texas and we're great, blah blah blah"

[The Czech Republic 0]

Off topic? This is much more compelling then the next Bears quarterback casualty...

 

I understand what you're saying about how you can like a team for its players no matter where you are, but I still maintain that a Packer fan in California is a different beast than a Packer fan in Wisconsin. There's just a certain intangible factor there that separates the locals from the distant fans...maybe it's the environment you watch the games in, maybe it's the day trips to Green Bay, I don't know. I had the "fortune" of living around Packer fans for the better part of eight years, and there's definitely something there that isn't there in the spectators from afar.

 

And whatever it is should result in them getting blasted into space.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I think Wisconsin has the largest collection of racists outside of the South

ding ding ding

 

So many Confederate flags on the backs of the pickup trucks in my high school parking lot. And this is just six or seven miles from Illinois. When you get "up nort," things get REALLY scary.

 

Illinois - it's like a racism bridge

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And I second that Texas is an annoying state.  Everything down there is "We're Texas and we're great, blah blah blah"

You guys are just jealous because you don't live here.

[The Czech Republic 0]

1. Texas

2. Wisconsin

3. Massachusetts

4. Utah

5. California

 

fair?

[Slayer 0]

And I second that Texas is an annoying state.  Everything down there is "We're Texas and we're great, blah blah blah"

You guys are just jealous because you don't live here.

I've been there. Quite a few times. To most of the major cities (Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston)

 

Jealous isn't the word I would use.

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The Rams were *GODS* before the 90's. After the '89 season, they became atrocious and even the diehards fans, like my dad, found it hard to root for them. They were one of the most beloved teams in LA though. When they left town, people were crying in the streets. It would have been like the Boston Red Sox moving to play in Portland and *then* winning their illusive title there instead of winning it in Boston. That's the best comparison I can come up with. Their move was that heavy on folks around here. When the Rams finally won the Super Bowl as the St.Louis Rams, it was a bitter, bitter sweet event for many LA residents who lived and died with the team they saw lose at home in the Rose Bowl to the fuckwad Steelers in 1980. The Portland Red Sox, 2004 World Series champions. The St.Lous Rams, 2000 Superbowl champions. It's not right.

 

The Raiders managed to gain more hardware than the Rams when they played in the Colliseum during the 80's. But they never had the crowd numbers or respect that the Rams had. The Raiders were Oakland's team and they just never caught on with LA football fans. They had nearly 60 years of history in the area before they left, with 3 solid generations of fans who grew up watching them. The Raiders were only around for 15 years in LA, which didn't give them the longevity that the Rams had in LA. They won more and accomplished things the Rams had failed at but they never gained the admiration that the Rams had from LA fans.

 

When the Rams sucked dick hard in the early 90's, that pretty much killed the spirit off for LA football fans who had grown tired of watching the Raiders lose. The Raiders had a major drought of loser-itis in the late 80's but then they became really good in the early 90's and almost managed to go to the Superbowl on 2 different occaisions. That still didn't boost LA fan interest. They were not LA's team, they were still the Oakland Raiders to many SoCal fans. Most people pretended the San Diego Chargers did not exist since they were sorry for nearly their entire existence, besides for an early 80's team that kicked ass. They managed to go to the Superbowl in '95 but there was like *no one* around who thought they had a chance against the Steve Young led 49ers. The Chargers are still regarded as a joke, but that's really because they are owned by idiots. Most LA people respect the team but that's only if you mention Dan Fouts to them.

 

LA and SoCal fans could not bring themselves to root for the bastards up north who mangled LA's beloved Rams in many playoff games, which left a bitter taste in a lot of mouths. The 49ers were heroes up north but they never had a chance with the SoCal fans who grew up on seeing Deacon Jones racking guys on the field.

 

When the Rams left, so did LA football fans. Now, we're all dirty football fans who like teams that don't play in the area or the state.

[The Czech Republic 0]

DEACON JONES!!!!!!!

 

"One word describes Deacon Jones. 110%."

"That's not a word."

 

or something like that. the Cheap Seats marathon was a blessing

[Slayer 0]

Reading Sass' testimony reminds me of why I find it funny every time I hear the NFL attempting to drop yet another team (whether transplanted or new) in LA

[Sass 0]

LA will *never* accept another team coming in. They'd have to win a Superbowl in under 5 years in order for it to work. The only chance the NFL had was in '99 when they were setting up the new expansion team that ended up going to Houston since no one in California, one of the richest fucking states in the fuckin nation, wanted to pony up the cash. This town is so fuckin lame sometimes.

 

The Vikings, the Saints and the Colts can all fuck off, since their names have been mentioned *many* times as being one of the "new" LA teams to come in. No one over the age of 30 would accept the ViQueens due to the number of Superbowl and playoff appearances they costed the Rams. That's like the old Yankees and Royals feud from the 80's when both teams tore at eachothers throats to get into the playoffs. It'd be awkward and ugly. The other two teams are run by dickheads who are worse than the Chargers owners, the Spanos Goofs. The Irsay family clan are worse than Al Davis, Art Modell, Bud Adams or any other "traitor" owner who left their city to go play for another one. I mean fuck, this guy snaked his entire team from Baltimore over night. That's some cold shit.

 

Benson, the Saints owner, is a fuckin cheap tool who should be taken outside each year during Mardi Gras and beaten with a roll of paper bags in front of everyone. Prick.

 

The Raiders *could* have a chance but there is still a lot of bad blood between Al Davis and LA/Oakland fans who felt betrayed by them moving back and forth. In other news, Raiders football games are the most watched games in the LA area. So, there's a slight chance it could work. But I doubt it.

[Slayer 0]

Having never read much about Colts history, and being only 4 years old when the incident occured, was the Colts move totally unexpected at the time? Like, no one knew Irsay's plans to move until they actually did?

[Guest Vitamin X]

And I second that Texas is an annoying state.  Everything down there is "We're Texas and we're great, blah blah blah"

You guys are just jealous because you don't live here.

I've been there. Quite a few times. To most of the major cities (Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston)

 

Jealous isn't the word I would use.

Same here. I've had the misfortune of passing through that miserable, god-awful state many a time and the only city I've come remotely close to liking has been Houston, only because I knew it was the precursor to Louisiana (a state which I absolutely love for some reason) going east, or because it would be the last bastion of "civilization" going west. As a friend of mine put it, who was born and raised in California having only gone to Las Vegas with me a couple times as far as his interstate travels went, when he joined the Air Force (where he had boot camp in San Antonio), he said, "All these people who keep blabbing on and on about overpopulation have obviously never been to Texas. What a desolate, remote state." There really is WAY too much space for everything out there.

 

Oh, and Sass.. where the hell in LA are you from? Everything I'd seen growing up in or near the Valley were Raider fans (although the majority seemed to be the balding Mexican gangbanger type) or Niner fans. Hell, I even remember seeing or reading a piece (I forgot if it was by newspaper or television) about how apathetic Los Angelinos were when the Raiders and Rams left compared to when the Browns left Cleveland. Or even when the Colts left Baltimore.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I still think the Baltimore-->Indy move is one of the lamest in sports. That should've been blocked. See also: Hartford to Greensboro

[Slayer 0]

Same here.

It's amazing what a white boy from Kansas and a Mexican from LA/Miami can have in common