ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 The title never changes hands in 4-ways. ...because it's on an American base? Huh? I goofed my original comment and thought you meant just the World Title, so I took it out. I goofed too. I meant to quote the "All American" thing with JBL losing the title in Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Takers best title reign was second fiddle to Foudnation/Austin feud. Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Bookers WCW reigns were 2 weeks long. I rest my case on that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Takers best title reign was second fiddle to Foudnation/Austin feud. Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Bookers WCW reigns were 2 weeks long. I rest my case on that one. Except for his Fourth reign, technically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Takers best title reign was second fiddle to Foudnation/Austin feud. Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Bookers WCW reigns were 2 weeks long. I rest my case on that one. Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean that a title reign by any of them now could be worse than JBL's. btw, Taker's best reign in my opinion was in 97, but that may just be me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Takers best title reign was second fiddle to Foudnation/Austin feud. Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Bookers WCW reigns were 2 weeks long. I rest my case on that one. Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean that a title reign by any of them no could be worse than JBL's. btw, Taker's best reign in my opinion was in 97, but that may just be me. I agree. I was talking about Booker with the WCW title there. I should have specified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted December 13, 2004 9 months is better than HHH's best reign (8.5 months). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Well with JBL retaining what should we expect for Wrestlemania now on the smackdown side? JBL vs Cena Angle vs HBK Taker/Kane vs. Snitski/Heidenreich Eddie vs. Booker perhaps? I still refuse to believe UT will allow him to work a 3rd match involving Kane at WM. Wasn't UT complaining about never having a "bona fide classic WM match"...Heidy and Snitsky and Kane aren't helping his crusade. Seriously; Trade Angle and Benoit. Benoit/Taker @ Mania makes so much sense. Heyman's Monster failed; so he tricks Long into trading Angle to Raw for "The Crippler". Despite their past history; Mr. Mainupulative Heyman convinces Benoit to go after 'Taker. sets up an interesting dynamic, finally a classic match for 'Taker, gives Benoit something meaningful because at this rate he's stuck in transistional Tag teamer with Jericho now. Makes for classic Heyman promos and Benoit's disdain for him adds intrigue. Cena/JBL (wwe title) HHH/Batistia (world title) Orton/Rock Shawn/Angle Benoit/Taker Benjamin/Edge (ic title) Eddy/RVD (ladder US title match) Mysterio/London/Kidman/London (CW title) Eugene and Regal Vs Rhyno/Tajiri (World Tag) Dudleyz Vs Haas and Booker (WWE Tag) Trish Vs Lita Vs Victoria (woman's) TBS Vs Snitsky (Battle of The Monsters) THAT should be the card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Well with JBL retaining what should we expect for Wrestlemania now on the smackdown side? JBL vs Cena Angle vs HBK Taker/Kane vs. Snitski/Heidenreich Eddie vs. Booker perhaps? I'm hopeful that we get an Eddie v. Benoit cross-brand match, because at the rate they're going I'm going to have a lot of trouble justifying $50 for two world title matches I don't want to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 London gets to wrestle himself at WM, that should be a 5-Star classic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Shadow: He doesn't consider his X-7 match with HHH a classic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Shadow: He doesn't consider his X-7 match with HHH a classic? Though not a bad match by any means, I'd say the ridiculously long ref bump and Triple H's dreaded fall onto padding prevents it from being known as a Wrestlemania classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Well, they could always do the 80s Santa Claus finish. It wasn't Santa, it was Heidenreich. It actually would have worked better had he been dressed like Santa first. Everyone was laid out and Undertaker had it won when Heidenreich interfered. It ended up with Heidenreich getting Undertaker in the cobra clutch (which Cole didn't know, and it was a key point of the match, which isn't Cole's fault because he should have been clued in on that, he duidn't know it was a finisher to sell and Tazz saved, which was the story of the announcing. JBL pinned Booker clean with a clothesline. If it wasn't for Guerrero, the match would have been really bad, but Guerrero worked for several men tonight. Was it enough to save the show? I don't think so. Cole is an idiot. Almost as bad as Todd Grisham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 No one is as bad as Todd Grisham. At least Cole attempts to call PBP for a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Well with JBL retaining what should we expect for Wrestlemania now on the smackdown side? JBL vs Cena Angle vs HBK Taker/Kane vs. Snitski/Heidenreich Eddie vs. Booker perhaps? I'm hopeful that we get an Eddie v. Benoit cross-brand match, because at the rate they're going I'm going to have a lot of trouble justifying $50 for two world title matches I don't want to see. Eddie vs. Benoit is always a possibility, considering we had two major cross brand matches last year, but for some reason I see him going up against someone like Edge or Batista. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Nope and that was one of the major reasonings he was campaging for a program with Angle at Mania. He has had only two meaningful good matches in his streak WMX7 with Hunts that *just* hit *** and the *** affiar with Flair the next year. The rest were squashes (Snuka, Roberts, Bundy, TBS/ATRAIN,Kane) or monsters that resulted in sloppy match (G.G, unmotivated Diesel, Sid, Kane, Bossman). Thus another reason to give us Benoit/'Taker. It'd be a easy **** match and would give two uper card players signifcant matches isntead of tag matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Honestly, I think the ending hurt JBL more than anybody. Had he somehow won clean despite the odds stacked against him, it probably would have garnered him some needed credibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted December 13, 2004 I might be upset with JBL not losing if I wasn't so apathetic to him and the WWE title. It IS interesting to see how Smackdown continues its downward spiral, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Undertaker vs. Diesel @ WM XII was better than I expected it to be. I don't get the hate for it. Undertaker vs. Kane (WM XIV) although not great, was built very well and was a decent big man match. The WM XX match, I agree, was a terrible squash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Nope and that was one of the major reasonings he was campaging for a program with Angle at Mania. He has had only two meaningful good matches in his streak WMX7 with Hunts that *just* hit *** and the *** affiar with Flair the next year. The rest were squashes (Snuka, Roberts, Bundy, TBS/ATRAIN,Kane) or monsters that resulted in sloppy match (G.G, unmotivated Diesel, Sid, Kane, Bossman). Thus another reason to give us Benoit/'Taker. It'd be a easy **** match and would give two uper card players signifcant matches isntead of tag matches. I'm curious, what's your ideal Wrestlemania card? edit: Huzzuh, 900 posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Royal Rumble and Summerslam 2003 say different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Royal Rumble 03 says different. October 2000-February 2001, and the Summer of 2003 disagree with that disagrement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Royal Rumble 03 says different. October 2000-February 2001, and the Summer of 2003 disagree with that disagrement. Does September 2001-October 2001 have anything to say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Lame title-switch that was only done because of 9/11 I keep forgetting. That was pretty bad, considering he lost the title with maybe 1 successful defense on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Nope and that was one of the major reasonings he was campaging for a program with Angle at Mania. He has had only two meaningful good matches in his streak WMX7 with Hunts that *just* hit *** and the *** affiar with Flair the next year. The rest were squashes (Snuka, Roberts, Bundy, TBS/ATRAIN,Kane) or monsters that resulted in sloppy match (G.G, unmotivated Diesel, Sid, Kane, Bossman). Thus another reason to give us Benoit/'Taker. It'd be a easy **** match and would give two uper card players signifcant matches isntead of tag matches. I'm curious, what's your ideal Wrestlemania card? edit: Huzzuh, 900 posts. I just put it up there a few minutes ago. Ideally, Jericho/Benoit and Eddy/Angle main event. that won't happen. Within reason, here's my ideal card once again WWE Title Match JBL Vs Cena World Title Match Triple H Vs Batistia HBK Vs Kurt Angle The Rock Vs Randy Orton Chris Benoit Vs Undertaker U.S Title Match Ladder Eddy Guerrero Vs RVD I.C Title Match Benjamin Vs Edge CW Title Match Elimination Match London Vs Kidman Vs Mysterio Vs Chavo Woman's Title Lita Vs Trish Vs Molly Vs Victoria World Tag Title Eugene and Regal Vs Rhyno and Tajiri WWE Tag Title Dudleyz Vs Booker and Haas. The Big Show Vs Gene Snitsky. and *maybe* a Battle royal for the rest of the roster to get everyone Mania paychecks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phenom Report post Posted December 13, 2004 I finished 3-4. Bleh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Angle has never been booked good as a champion, even worse than JBL. Royal Rumble 03 says different. October 2000-February 2001, and the Summer of 2003 disagree with that disagrement. Angle went over Brock clean in Summer of 2003. TWICE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 And he was booked to look like an idiot.' Let's not forget the homosexual activities of Brock/Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 Here's something funny... Who would have expected HHH to lose his version of the World Title before JBL lost his version? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2004 And he was booked to look like an idiot. Yes, going over someone twice clean who has a 50 pound weight advantage over you sure makes you look like an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 13, 2004 And he was booked to look like an idiot. Yes, going over someone twice who has a 50 pound weight advantage over you sure makes you look like an idiot. Explain the homosexual shit they did? Or is that good booking too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
