razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2004 There is nothing realistic about wrestling on tv period......unless you like reality tv drama. The problem with a move like the CD, is that, as spectacular as it is, it's one of those moves that you just cannot suspend your disbelief on. And without that suspension of disbelief, you're just watching an exhibition of moves, and the match in question then loses meaning. The way you word that you are saying that Pro Wrestling is a sport. When was the last time it was considered a sport, 1940's? The current product that is on tv is nothing but the exhibition of the spectacular! That is why so many wrestlers have personalities from simple redneck to the outragous ridiculous stereotypes. So the suspension of belief arguement is not valid in pro wrestling since it has not been pushed as a real sport in many years. A wrestling match does not lose it meaning because of a spectacular finish. The match loses its meaning when the wrestlers get sloppy and forget to sell certain injuries or screw up on their speciality moves. Or when a wrestler gets lazy and does the same moves in the same pattern in every match that it get repeative and never changes, now that would be boring. The Canadian Destroyer is more credible than the basic senton that Jeff Hardy does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 There is nothing realistic about wrestling on tv period......unless you like reality tv drama. The problem with a move like the CD, is that, as spectacular as it is, it's one of those moves that you just cannot suspend your disbelief on. And without that suspension of disbelief, you're just watching an exhibition of moves, and the match in question then loses meaning. The way you word that you are saying that Pro Wrestling is a sport. When was the last time it was considered a sport, 1940's? The current product that is on tv is nothing but the exhibition of the spectacular! That is why so many wrestlers have personalities from simple redneck to the outragous ridiculous stereotypes. So the suspension of belief arguement is not valid in pro wrestling since it has not been pushed as a real sport in many years. A wrestling match does not lose it meaning because of a spectacular finish. The match loses its meaning when the wrestlers get sloppy and forget to sell certain injuries or screw up on their speciality moves. Or when a wrestler gets lazy and does the same moves in the same pattern in every match that it get repeative and never changes, now that would be boring. The Canadian Destroyer is more credible than the basic senton that Jeff Hardy does. The way you word that you are saying that Pro Wrestling is a sport. How ? The suspension of disbelief is at the heart of wrestling, because, while we may know it’s not real, if we can suspend our disbelief, and get caught up in it, then we feel like what happens in the ring truly matters. Take out that ability to suspend your disbelief, and what happens in the ring doesn’t seem so important anymore. When was the last time it was considered a sport, 1940's? I never said anything about considering it a sport. I’m talking about being able to suspend your disbelief, which is hard to do with a contrived move like the CD. The current product that is on tv is nothing but the exhibition of the spectacular! That’s probably a big reason business is in the crapper right now. Remember the truckload of money that WM X-7 and WM XVIII made ? That wasn’t done with anything spectacular, but with simple issues (Austin v Rock was about Austin’s quest for the WWF Title, and Rock v Hogan was about New v Old) that let the people suspend their disbelief and get into things so much that they paid out money to see them unfold. That is why so many wrestlers have personalities from simple redneck to the outragous ridiculous stereotypes Personalities are fine, but they don’t really do much if they’re so outrageous that the people can’t identify with them or believe in the person behind the personality. The personalities that get over the best, and draw the most, are the ones people identify with, and they can’t identify with something stupid and outlandish. So the suspension of belief arguement is not valid in pro wrestling since it has not been pushed as a real sport in many years So you’re saying that the suspension of disbelief doesn’t matter ? Ok. A wrestling match does not lose it meaning because of a spectacular finish. Again, this is something that I never said. What I actually said was that if it’s something that doesn’t allow you to suspend your disbelief, that is something so over-the-top that it’s absurd, then you get taken out of being emotionally invested in the match. And when that happens, the match doesn’t really matter anymore. The match loses its meaning when the wrestlers get sloppy and forget to sell certain injuries or screw up on their speciality moves. Or when a wrestler gets lazy and does the same moves in the same pattern in every match that it get repeative and never changes, now that would be boring. You mean when something happens that lessens your ability suspend your disbelief. Which is what I’m saying. The Canadian Destroyer is more credible than the basic senton that Jeff Hardy does. At least when setting up the Swanton, the guy taking it would be worn down enough to where it seems credible that he’d be too worn down to move out of the way. With the CD, the guy taking the move basically has to backflip himself, while supposedly being too worn out to fight the move off. Yeah, that’s credible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RHR 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 Ummm... please sir show me one **** match Petey's been in, hell even a **. His finishing maneuver is the dumbest move in history next to the Pounce. It completly exposes the business its ridiculous. And actually, currently, I'd take Rey/RVD over AMW. As for being a WWE mark? Yea, because I hate TNA's "no matches allowed above **" style in their shitty 6-sided ring compared to the beauty that is AJPW 86-93 or even Crockett or even ROH, you got me there pal. Because I hate TNA [cuz it is pretty damn downright shity], and you don't know who I am, I must be a WWEMark. Good point sir. The dumbest finisher in history? History? Really? Ok...here we go... The People's Elbow The Hogan Legdrop Mr. Socko The Rock Bottom There's four so far...and I just don't have time to continue. I've said it before, I'll say it again. I love wrestling. I like parts of TNA, parts of WWE,parts of ROH, etc etc etc No promotion is perfect, but, let's really think about classifying anything as "best" or "worst" or "dumbest" unless used in absolute opinion terms ie Natile Portman in Closer shows off the BEST ass in Hollywood. It's an opinion that doesn't make me sound all that smart or all that stupid. Saying the CD is the worst finisher, makes you sound like the "dumbest" person on this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest uyaljg Report post Posted December 20, 2004 "Natile Portman in Closer shows off the BEST ass in Hollywood." If Molly Holly makes a movie, that statement is NULL and VOID. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RHR 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2004 That reminds me...where can I get a still of the shot of Molly on her entrance video...when her hair was short but styled, and she's kinda pouting...man...nice. Oh...and the Trintiy ass shot again would be nice. You have your mission. Go fetch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
