MK Deception for GameCube extras

[Guest sek69]

MK: D is hitting the Cube on March 7, and since there's no online feature they're throwing Cubers a bone by adding two extra characters: Shao Kahn and Goro.

 

While it's cool to have extra characters and to play as bosses, it pisses me off as a longtime MK fan that they're fucking with the storyline yet again in the name of fan service. MK: Deady Alliance went a long way to straightening out a storyline that had been restarted more times than WCW continuity (don't get me started on how Sub-Zero's been abused) and now they're going down the same road again.

 

The problem? Both Goro and Shao Kahn are dead in MK canon. Now granted, Shao's only presumed dead, but Goro's tomb was a stage in MK: DA for chrissakes. His death was actually a fairly key plot point in the MK story as Goro later turned face and fought alongside Kitana.

 

I appriciate the effort of giving the Cube something extra to make up for online play, but it seems they decided to go for the OMG GORO IZ TEH COOLEST crowd instead of going for something that would fit better in how the current storylines.

[Anya 0]

I agree they're lame extras, but I doubt it will screw up the story. I'm guessing they'll both be non-canon bonus characters, like Kintaro and Goro in MK Trilogy. Both are already in the PS2 and Xbox versions with little non-canon easter egg appearances(like being in cells in the Prison Stage) so it's not like this is anything new for MKD.

 

 

And I'm not really following your complaints about the MK mythos. It's never been restarted and how has Sub-Zero been abused? Because it's been two different guys? It's one of the more developed stories in the series.

[Guest sek69]

I agree they're lame extras, but I doubt it will screw up the story. I'm guessing they'll both be non-canon bonus characters, like Kintaro and Goro in MK Trilogy. Both are already in the PS2 and Xbox versions with little non-canon easter egg appearances(like being in cells in the Prison Stage) so it's not like this is anything new for MKD.

 

 

And I'm not really following your complaints about the MK mythos. It's never been restarted and how has Sub-Zero been abused? Because it's been two different guys? It's one of the more developed stories in the series.

Sub-Zero's story was re-written because a lot of people didn't care for the maskless Sub-Zero in MK3.

 

It was pretty much understood that the orignal Sub-Zero was dead, but when people bitched about the maskless Subbie they put the original one in UMK3 and all of a sudden he wasn't dead anymore. They did iron it out in MK:DA but there was a time where it wasn't clear what the hell was going on or if "classic" Sub-Zero was dead or not. Just like when they added Human Smoke just because people liked him better as a ninja rather than a robot. At least when they brought Johnny Cage back, they gave an explaination that fit the storyline. With Classic Subbie and Human Smoke they were just like "you want 'em, here you go".

 

I don't think it's going to screw up the storyline, I just thought they were past the whole "lets add characters we already killed off just because they're popular" thing.

 

Then again, they brought back Liu Kang after making his death *THE* major plot point in DA, so the whole thing is bordering on a Russoish swervefest.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

In the next Mortal Kombat, Johnny Cage will wake up and realize it was all a dream.

[Anya 0]

It was pretty much understood that the orignal Sub-Zero was dead, but when people bitched about the maskless Subbie they put the original one in UMK3 and all of a sudden he wasn't dead anymore.

 

 

"Classic Sub-Zero" in UMK3/MKT is not and never was the original Sub-Zero. His ending reveals this. It says he was thought to be the dead Sub come back to life, however when he removes his mask everyone is shocked to discover that it's actually a long missing warrior, who's identity is not revealed to the player.

 

 

Just like when they added Human Smoke just because people liked him better as a ninja rather than a robot.

 

 

Human Smoke being playable was just a non-canon bonus. In his own MKT ending it even says he will remain a robot forever.

 

 

 

The difference with Cage or Liu Kang coming back is that they actually wanted to bring them back fully time and be part of the story. With H. Smoke and CSZ they just wanted them in because it was easy and cheap to add them thanks to palatte swapping. Lame? Maybe, but it doesn't really screw up the story. The only problem with it is that they'll probably never reveal who CSZ was. I doubt John Vogel or Tobias know anyway.

[AndrewTS 0]

Wow, what a horribly lame concession, considering by this time the PS2 and X-Box owners are mostly sick of the game.

 

It would have been fine if they were added and it was a simultaneous release, but the PlumberCube version wasn't worth waiting for just for that. Should have put it out earlier, made the non-playable Konquest characters selectable, or released it at a cheaper price.

 

...besides, everyone knows that Shao Kahn and Goro are Super Unlockables in the XB and PS2 MKDs...

[Matt Young 0]

Hey Sek, do you have Xbox Live? If you have MK:D on there, we should play sometime. Mentor vs. student.

[Guest sek69]

The only console I own is the Cube. I'm a Nintendo loyalist and I only bought a console to play the new MK games.

 

 

As far as the MK story goes, they've always spent too much time fucking with the fans instead of focusing on a coherent story. I mean it was funny with all the Error Macro stuff in MK1, but when you actually create another pallette swap and call it Ermac you're about 5 yards past lame.

[Anya 0]

Rain is the lamest palatte swap. A character based on a Prince reference.....

[Guest sek69]

Rain is the lamest palatte swap. A character based on a Prince reference.....

Whatever happened to Rain? Didn't they try to float the rumor that Reiko from MK4 was Rain unmasked?

[Anya 0]

They never said. He's one of those characters that just vanished never to be seen again. Im not exactly missing him.

 

There's fan made theories and rumors that Reiko is everyone from Tsung, Kahn, Rain, Ermac, and who knows who else.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Judging by the way that people have been complaining about how the MK storyline has gone all wonky...

 

It sounds like you all want it to do a Doom 3, and have a completely re-made story using similar or the same characters as the original.

[Guest sek69]

Judging by the way that people have been complaining about how the MK storyline has gone all wonky...

 

It sounds like you all want it to do a Doom 3, and have a completely re-made story using similar or the same characters as the original.

Which is pretty much what they did with MK: DA.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

In the next Mortal Kombat, Johnny Cage will wake up and realize it was all a dream.

Only if he's in bed with Sonja and possibly one or 2 of the other female characters.

 

C'mon, Johnny's from Hollywood, he's a pimp and you all know it.

[Anya 0]

MKDA is not a remake or retelling of MK1. It's a direct sequel to MK4.

 

 

MK1's story has been completely reworked over the years. Shao Kahn wasn't even mentioned in MK1 or any of that "outworld must win 10 in a row to take over earth" nonsense. Outworld wasn't even trying to take over in the original story.

 

 

And no, I don't want a remake. The story is ok how it is now.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Eh, I'm surprised you're bothering with this one. I haven't played it on any other machine than the PS2, but it is pretty horrible. That could be due to the fact that I was so amped and excited for it when it was finally released, or it could be that it is really just a sub-par fighting game.

 

Cubers don't have much variety with fighting games though, right? Shame you don't have Tekken 5 to look forward too.

[Anya 0]

Why dont you like it? I thought you liked MKDA?

 

I dont like any of the 3D MKs as much as the 2D, but I did like MKD more than MKDA. The online play(or any competitive play) is completely ruined though.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

I still am quite fond of Mortal Kombat:Deadly Alliance, so it's the other way around for me. MKD seemed like there was a mass of extra content to make up for the fact that the fighting engine was half-assed. One could argue the same point about DA, however DA came first and showed a lot of promise to me for the future of the series. Deception's characters also seem to look worse than DA's do, that's just my personal opinion.

 

My distaste means nothing though, as millions have gone out and bought it and the game has done big business.

[Matt Young 0]

I unfortunately spent $60 on the Deception Kollector's Edition for Xbox. I figured it was a safe bet seeing as how I loved MK 1-4. I had never played Deadly Alliance.

 

Deception is pretty boring, probably a 4/10, on single player, no matter if you're playing the traditional mode, the horrible new 3D free roaming adventure deal (which sounded really good in theory) or any of the other weak modes. However, on mutiplayer it is pretty good.

 

Too bad most of the guys who play on Live are too hardcore for me to ever be competitive. I think I'm going to swap MKD for the $20 credit at gameCrazy and get a new copy of Guilty Gear X2 #Reload.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

What sort of mess have you encountered in online play, Anya?

[Anya 0]

Well, besides cheaters the gameplay is incredibly broken(and boring). Lots of infinites and other glitches and the mechanics are too simplistic. You can't break throws so they're heavily abused. Very few moves are safe thanks to how slow and plodding the gameplay is, so all you see is people abusing 3 or 4 safe pokes, throws, long ass unbreakable chain combos and infinites. Gets old fast. Play for like 30 minutes and you'll have seen Bo Rai Chos throw so many times you'll never want to see it again.

[Anya 0]

Here's the new selection screen with Kahn, Goro and an unknown question mark slot...

 

 

I wonder what "?" is? Probably either random select or an unlockable Onaga.

 

 

It's weird that Kahn is going to be in because they're kind of spoiling his return. It's only a matter of time before he comes back to life and is the big boss again, but now that we've seen what he is like in the new 3D games it's going to take away the surprise. It seems like such a waste to have Kahn's big return with the new graphics be as a bonus in the GC port.

[Guest Sturgis]

Have the people at MK lost their minds? First they ruin Shao Kahn's return and then they bring Goro back from the dead despite

the fact his death was a big deal. Why can't they just let they're characters die? Jax is boring as fuck, Kang and Cage have lost all purpose, and their new characters aren't as good as the use to be.

[AndrewTS 0]

Have the people at MK lost their minds? First they ruin Shao Kahn's return and then they bring Goro back from the dead despite

the fact his death was a big deal.

Goro was brought back in MK4, canon-wise, actually. I'm not sure if it was just for the home versions or not (Anya could clear that up), but it's no different.

[Guest sek69]

Goro's Tomb is a stage in MK: DA, I think he was added to the home versions as a bonus.

 

I don't know why, but there's always people who mark out over being able to play as Goro. I can't figure it out, since they always tone him down to make it fair.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Goro was never originally killed in the first tournament, he was just defeated. He ran away into seclusion out of the humiliation of suffering a loss to a human.

 

Goro officially died during MK:Deadly Alliance, as outlined in Kitana's ending, I believe.

[Anya 0]

Yeah, Goro's return in MK4 was console only. It is canon though. The arcade version of MK4 just had no subboss at all(which was really lame).

 

Noob Saibot killed him before MKDA.

[Anya 0]

I just got a dedicated MK3 arcade machine. I am like, so hyped right now. I can't believe I finally found one! It's in like perfect condition too. OMG this is so awesome.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Whatever happened to Rain? Didn't they try to float the rumor that Reiko from MK4 was Rain unmasked?

 

I thought Reiko was supposedly Shao Khan unmasked , in diguise, whatever, etc. according to his home port ending?

 

Whatever happened to Kintaro?

[Anya 0]

The ending just showed him put on Kahn's helmet. That doesn't mean he IS Kahn. In MKD there's a joke about it, with Kahn getting pissed at Reiko for trying on his helmet.

 

 

Kintaro just kind of disapeared. This unofficial guide to MK claims he was killed by Raiden(and a lot of fans take that as fact) but I wouldn't take that very seriously. In Konquest in MKD some of the soldiers in Edenia talk about how Kintaro helped them invade, but Konquest's story is so screwy it's hard to take that seriously either. He's probably just chilling out somewhere in Outworld.