X-Pac hating....

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A motivated X-Pac was good, and could put on a ***+ match on a fairly regular basis. Specifically, I'm a very big fan of his match with Bret on Raw when he was the 1-2-3 Kid.

Who can't put on ***+ matches with Bret Hart?

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Goldberg. But he's about the only one.

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This thread is so close to becoming a great battle against the hypocritical one...I hope it resumes.

 

I starting disliking X-Pac in early 2000 when he went from "Right hand guy, #1 henchman" to "throw-away tag wrestler".

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One RAW during the Invasion, X-Pac was fighting Kidman and he was trying so hard to work face and get the crowd on his side- and they just kept booing him and cheering Kidman.

 

It was hilarious

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One RAW during the Invasion, X-Pac was fighting Kidman and he was trying so hard to work face and get the crowd on his side- and they just kept booing him and cheering Kidman.

 

It was hilarious

Similar story back in June of 2001.

 

X-Pac and Jeff Hardy v. Kidman and Chavo on an episode of Smackdown.

 

For the majority of the match, people didn't know how to treat X-Pac and Hardy. On one hand, girls were crying to get at Jeff. On the other hand, you had X-Pac trying to leech face heat off of Jeff.

 

Sure, by the end of the match when X-Pac made the save for Jeff, the crowd finally turned on his side, but it was still entertaining to see him trying to keep the WCW guys from getting cheered.

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I started really hating him in 1994 when he went over Jarrett in the first round of the King of the Ring. Until then he was just a minor nuisance. I never liked him.

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Invasion, pretty much everyone on team WWF was face...except X-Pac, everyone still hated him.

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Invasion, pretty much everyone on team WWF was face...except X-Pac, everyone still hated him.

It was good to see that the WWE recognized that as well - after he bombed working against the Invasion, they limited him to working AGAINST the WWF'ers, despite pledging his loyalty.

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What exactly is X-Pac heat, by definition?

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What exactly is X-Pac heat, by definition?

It's where the fans hate you, but in a "I don't want to see you here" way, rather than a "I will pay to see you get beat" way.

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Positive X-Pac attribute:

 

It didn't matter who you were, when beating X-Pac's ass, you were the most popular face in the building.

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What exactly is X-Pac heat, by definition?

It's where the fans hate you, but in a "I don't want to see you here" way, rather than a "I will pay to see you get beat" way.

Yes, so instead of paying to see you lose they simply turn the channel. Test had this heat too.

 

It is easy to figure out for faces, like with Rock's initial face run and Randy Orton now. The hard part is trying to differentiate it from legitimate heel heat, like JBL gets. Think of it as similar to the heat that HHH gets around these parts, except extended to 90% of the entire fanbase.

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Yeah, X-Pac heat isn't the crowd booing you over your dastardly heel acts. They're booing cause they just don't want to see you at all. A "Just die already!" kinda way

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was the heat in the HHH-Steiner match from the Rumble 2003 considered 'X-Pac Heat'? it kinda seemed like it, they just hated the match.

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was the heat in the HHH-Steiner match from the Rumble 2003 considered 'X-Pac Heat'? it kinda seemed like it, they just hated the match.

Yes, especially towards Steiner.

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was the heat in the HHH-Steiner match from the Rumble 2003 considered 'X-Pac Heat'? it kinda seemed like it, they just hated the match.

That was most definitely 'X-Pac heat', though it was just as much for Steiner as the match as a whole.

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What exactly is X-Pac heat, by definition?

It's where the fans hate you, but in a "I don't want to see you here" way, rather than a "I will pay to see you get beat" way.

Yes, so instead of paying to see you lose they simply turn the channel. Test had this heat too.

 

It is easy to figure out for faces, like with Rock's initial face run and Randy Orton now. The hard part is trying to differentiate it from legitimate heel heat, like JBL gets. Think of it as similar to the heat that HHH gets around these parts, except extended to 90% of the entire fanbase.

One thing I LOVED was the WWE's and X-Pac's "explanation" of why he was getting booed all the time. One time on Heat he was asked about it, and he quoted Reggie Jackson by saying "You have to be somebody to get booed!"

 

 

 

Actually the quote is "Fans don't boo nobodies."

 

For some reason I went on this board to "correct" him (I did it on the Heat recap thread, LORD knows if its still floating around) by explaining that you CAN be a "nobody" and be booed and I used two examples:

 

1) A Heel in a Dark Match. NOONE in that stadium knows who you are (unless you are a local performer of course) but since you are in the Heel role, and if you are doing it well, the fans will boo you

 

and

 

2) You are a September call up for the Boston Redsox at Yankee Stadium (or a New York Yankee at Fenway) and you are making one of your first starts ever in MLB. Your name gets introduced (especially first at-bat) and you are going to be lustliy booed by the crowd. You are a complete unknown, only baseball equivilents of "Smart Marks" will know who you are, and you are getting booed un-mercifully

 

Then again the above examples are more "the crowd acting like they are "supposed" to" as opposed to actual "hatred"

 

But just like the WWE to spin "booing" as "acceptance" Almost trying to make it seem that X-Pac really was "liked at one time and is doing such a good job at being a heel..."

 

Steve

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I'd say when he turned on Kane and it really came out when he was teaming with Road Dogg and they were beating every up and coming team in 2000.

 

Though some of the hate has gone down after his run in TNA where he was actually motivated again.

Not to mention that team was forced down everyone's throats as being "the most talented tag team, maybe of all time!" Okay, the division was bare bones back then but still, easy with the hyperbole Ross and Cole!

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One other thing that occured to me...his character never really grew up. He had a sort of "young punk" persona when he first turned heel in WWF, in like, 1995. His character was basically the same when he joined the nWo, and when he came to the WWF. You'd think at some point he would've developed into a more mature, veteran-type character, but it never happened. And he used the same moves basically the whole time (only real change was adding the X-Factor as a finisher).

EXCELLENT point! If only THAT was the WWE's logic all the time, and not only on wrestlers who apparantly have some control over their characters (Triple H, Austin, Rock, Angle, Taker) Seems like the WWE only knows how to take a character, run it untill it becomes stale, take the character off TV, repackage him only AS THE SAME CHARACTER and the same vicicous cycle continues untill the wrestler becomes a "Roster Fat Trimming Casulty"

 

I.e. X-Pac

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Also, it didn't help when the WWE actually Kayfabed the X-Pac hate, that started right around the time of that Heat episode, where the WWE was "encourging" the fans to chant "X-Pac SUCKS!" almost like they wanted to turn the apathy into genuine "We'll pay to see you get killed heat"

 

I don't think he was treated seriously by the fans again after that

 

Steve

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Quiet, you'll make him look like a hypocrite. Oh wait, he is

 

Hypocritical?

 

Question…if you were in a public setting, and you made a reasonable argument to a group of people, and one of them --- a person you didn’t know, responded by jumping up and barking ignorant shit saying that you have a vagina, in essence challenging your manhood, --- how would YOU respond? I’m not Bobby Bad Ass, but I don’t think I am alone in saying that there would be a serious problem with those words…that’s trying to punk somebody out.

 

So if you wouldn’t automatically try to provoke a fight in real life, by saying shit like that over something insignificant (unless you are wild and immature) then why do it online? If you or “Alf Dogg” or anyone else cant understand that then I don’t know what else to tell ya.

 

I guess you've chosen to ignore the praise he has for Triple H, who, and I might be wrong on this, was a member of The Clique

 

He has praised HHH‘s work, but that has been overshadowed by the anti-HHH sentiment that he spearheaded, which has now become a hackneyed internet cliché. HHH certainly isn’t a saint, but given Meltzer’s obvious business motives, and the fact that he is overwhelmingly biased towards certain wrestlers like Benoit, Jericho, Flair, Hart ext…I have my doubts to the validity to just how bad HHH really is. Especially considering how over the top Meltzer’s criticism has been.

 

 

What exactly is X-Pac heat, by definition?

It's where the fans hate you, but in a "I don't want to see you here" way, rather than a "I will pay to see you get beat" way

 

There is nothing tangible, or quantifiable (or any other 5 dollar word I can think of) to the theory of “bad heel heat” Seems to be a phrase that was invented by smarks to justify why guys they don’t like are getting successful reactions. That theory was real popular back in that era to explain why Bossman, Hogan and Xpac were getting heat. Historically fans have “voiced” their displeasure or apathy by either sitting on their hands or going to take a piss.

 

How can one prove such a theory? There is no way to differentiate between “good heat” and “bad heat”…i.e X-Pac sucks/Angle sucks….“No, no They really think Xpac sucks” That is unless you found a way to tap into everyone’s consciousness. The only time that theory is plausible is when there is a god awful match where both baby face and heel are being booed…see: Patterson vs. Brisco evening gown match or Rodman & Hogan vs. DDP & Malone.

 

Even by some chance that theory was correct, and every fan was booing because “they really really hate him”, then its ridiculous and counter-productive by nature. By booing and playing into the response the office is looking for, all fans are doing is helping to facilitate his push and standing within the company. Makes no sense on any level.

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That actually led to one of my favorite Invasion moments. I forget the exact setup or quotes, but it went something like this:

 

X-Pac: Hey Commissioner Regal, I want a match against Tajiri!

 

Regal: No, you can't have that match.

 

Tajiri: (says something in Japanese, he and Regal kinda giggle)

 

X-Pac: Why not? And what'd he say?

 

Regal: Because... X-PAC SUCKS. (Regal and Tajiri both fall down laughing)

 

 

Thay was the goldiest gold that ever golded.

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Not to mention that team was forced down everyone's throats as being "the most talented tag team, maybe of all time!" Okay, the division was bare bones back then but still, easy with the hyperbole Ross and Cole!

 

It was actually pretty good at that point in time, at least in comparison to recent times. They had Edge & Christian, Dudley Boyz, Hardy Boyz, Head Cheese, T & A, Too Cool, Bossman & Bull, APA & The Radicalz all around in the spring of 2000 when X-Pac & Road Dogg were teaming.

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X-Pac: Hey Commissioner Regal, I want a match against Tajiri!

 

Regal: No, you can't have that match.

 

Tajiri: (says something in Japanese, he and Regal kinda giggle)

 

X-Pac: Why not? And what'd he say?

 

Regal: Because... X-PAC SUCKS. (Regal and Tajiri both fall down laughing)

I hope I can say everyone was laughing from that. Someone must've put some special ingredients in the cookies that night for them to crack up like that.

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I like X-Pac. I liked X-Factor, and I liked their music.