Hilary Clinton slams GTA, among others

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

As for the marketing...who buys it? The parents.

 

Who buys McDonald's happy meals and who are happy meals marketed to?

 

BTW: We're on the same side of this debate...

[LessonInMachismo 0]

As for the marketing...who buys it? The parents.

 

Who buys McDonald's happy meals and who are happy meals marketed to?

 

BTW: We're on the same side of this debate...

I know, hippie. You are playing devil's advocate.

[AndrewTS 0]

I just don't understand it. Are we supposed to ban these games? They have ratings on them.

Supposedly there are some in Congress who want heavy fines for a company selling a game to a minor, or legal liability for kids who went nuts and started a school shooting.

 

The problem with the former is that a kid can have a game indirectly bought. The problem with the latter is that it is trying to impose 3rd party liability, which every sensible judge and court in the country knows would set up such an insanely dangerous precedent, hence the reason the bullshit court cases from money-sucking lawyers and lousy parents has been thrown out every time.

 

I've yet to hear briefs from lawyers who can come close to making any substantial, logical legal arguments. Rather, they try to impose 3rd-party liability and use weak emotional appeals.

[Slayer 0]

I just don't understand it. Are we supposed to ban these games? They have ratings on them.

It's along the same lines as parents bitching about "naughty TV" despite the advent of the V-chip several years back

 

In other words, the majority of modern parents = teh dumb

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I know, hippie. You are playing devil's advocate.

Just checking -- you are a new member and sometimes people don't know a certain poster's gimmick, but since you used the "h" word, I'll send you an application for membership into the Conservative Brigade...

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't see why we can't just ID for games and end this whole stupid debate. No one ever tries to do anything about it, they just bitch because it makes them look righteous.

Why don't we ID for games?

 

Well, I'll tell you why. Several years ago, I worked for EB. This was right after ratings were put on games.

 

And, for a week, I actually DID refuse to allow youngsters to buy "M" games.

 

What did that get me?

 

Yup, tons of parents screaming and cursing at me and my boss chewing me out for pissing off customers because I DARED to do what these budybodies claimed to want. I got nothing but headaches so I stopped. If the parents don't give a shit -- and, rest assured, they don't --- it's no skin off my nuts if their kids buy the most violent and depraved games known to man.

 

So, fuck the ratings. If I worked at a game store, I'd sell a 5 year old boy "God of War" and not think twice about it. Parents shouldn't give their kids $50 to buy a game if they're so fucking concerned.

-=Mike

[Slayer 0]

That is funny, Mike

 

Parents don't want to deal with whiny kids, and businesses don't want lost revenue

 

What does it all boil down to?

 

You guessed it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...kids ain't nothing but problems

[Guest BDC]

Brodie: "Don't get me wrong, I don't wish the kid harm, but his mother should suffer that horrific ordeal so she'll learn how to MANAGE HER CHILD!"

TS: "Sort of a harsh lesson, don't you think?"

Brodie: "Man, there's not a year goes by... not a year... that I don't read about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid that could have been easily avoided had some parent--I don't care which one--but some parent conditioned him to FEAR and RESPECT that ESCALATOR!"

 

    - Kevin Smith's "Mallrats"

 

Change some words around and it's universally applicable.

 

Who exactly is supposed to enforce/monitor these sales? I'm at a loss, really. This law was passed because people were flipping out, so now they have this law... and it's ignored. So tell me, who exactly is supposed to take care of this? That's what I want these censorship freaks to answer. It's like gun control: they want it banned b/c they don't like it, no matter what anyone else thinks, nevermind what's already in place.

[AndrewTS 0]

I don't recall any high-profile politician calling for an outright ban, but they have no solution for it otherwise. The rating system is about all that be logically done right now. Anything further besides an outright ban is pretty much impossible to enforce.

 

Oh, and I love the fact that the US, founded by those uptight Brits who were kicked out of England, lets these games be sold at all, but Austrailia, a country founded by whores and felons, likes to ban them outright.

[Guest BDC]

Oh, and I love the fact that the US, founded by those uptight Brits who were kicked out of England, lets these games be sold at all, but Austrailia, a country founded by whores and felons, likes to ban them outright.

Irony, thy name is GTA

[Damaramu 0]

The problem with the former is that a kid can have a game indirectly bought. The problem with the latter is that it is trying to impose 3rd party liability, which every sensible judge and court in the country knows would set up such an insanely dangerous precedent, hence the reason the bullshit court cases from money-sucking lawyers and lousy parents has been thrown out every time.

 

I've yet to hear briefs from lawyers who can come close to making any substantial, logical legal arguments. Rather, they try to impose 3rd-party liability and use weak emotional appeals.

Yeah kids can have the games indirectly bought. But they can have that done for cigarettes and beer too. I mean there's not going to be a way to completely keep it away from them but this way eliminates some of it.

[Guest MikeSC]

 

The problem with the former is that a kid can have a game indirectly bought.  The problem with the latter is that it is trying to impose 3rd party liability, which every sensible judge and court in the country knows would set up such an insanely dangerous precedent, hence the reason the bullshit court cases from money-sucking lawyers and lousy parents has been thrown out every time.

 

I've yet to hear briefs from lawyers who can come close to making any substantial, logical legal arguments.  Rather, they try to impose 3rd-party liability and use weak emotional appeals.

Yeah kids can have the games indirectly bought. But they can have that done for cigarettes and beer too. I mean there's not going to be a way to completely keep it away from them but this way eliminates some of it.

You can point to actual damages caused by, say, alcohol and cigarettes.

 

You cannot do so with video games.

-=Mike

[Damaramu 0]

Oh I understand and totally agree with you there Mike.

 

But I mean they can't ban violent games. If they do then they should ban violent movies. Because games are no longer a kid's thing and it's no longer marketed towards just children. And I think that a good lawyer could prove that if push came to shove. I mean there aren't even really any video game commercials with kids in them anymore. They're all older teenagers. So you can't say the commercials aim them at little kids.

[Some Guy 0]

He did.  He said that if Clinton was the "first black president", he wanted to be the second.

Don't forget his wife's claim of being an "African-American." Man, I would have won either way in November. Bush wins, yay for me. Kerry wins, yay for four years of comedy.

 

As for the GTA thing...the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as firearms. This position is no surprise at all. The thing about being a gun-grabber is that you are consistent.

 

I just don't understand it. Are we supposed to ban these games? They have ratings on them.

Actually, I think the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as automobiles. Here in Boston the ledt hates them som much that they have been wsting billions to bury them in the clusterfuck that is the "Big Dig."

 

As far as Hillary taking a stance that she thinks will help her get votes: what else is new? She's a politician and married to a the ultimate poll follower. I just don't see this as the issue to take up to get the GOP vote and if anything this type of thing might piss off her left wing base.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Well, I'll tell you why. Several years ago, I worked for EB. This was right after ratings were put on games...

Ha. And those same parents would sue GTA if their kids went out and carjacked some old couple.

 

Same thing happened at the theater I worked at -- thankfully, I never had to personally deal with bitching parents. I ususally sold popcorn when the conflicts took place...

[SuperJerk 0]

As for the GTA thing...the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as firearms.  This position is no surprise at all.  The thing about being a gun-grabber is that you are consistent.

 

I just don't understand it.  Are we supposed to ban these games?  They have ratings on them.

Actually, I think the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as automobiles. Here in Boston the ledt hates them som much that they have been wsting billions to bury them in the clusterfuck that is the "Big Dig."

Or maybe the liberals who don't like these games don't like them because THEY GLORIFY CRIME.

Ever think of that?

[Guest MikeSC]

As for the GTA thing...the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as firearms.  This position is no surprise at all.  The thing about being a gun-grabber is that you are consistent.

 

I just don't understand it.  Are we supposed to ban these games?  They have ratings on them.

Actually, I think the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as automobiles. Here in Boston the ledt hates them som much that they have been wsting billions to bury them in the clusterfuck that is the "Big Dig."

Or maybe the liberals who don't like these games don't like them because THEY GLORIFY CRIME.

Ever think of that?

But they seldom complain about rap.

 

Odd.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

As for the GTA thing...the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as firearms.  This position is no surprise at all.  The thing about being a gun-grabber is that you are consistent.

 

I just don't understand it.  Are we supposed to ban these games?  They have ratings on them.

Actually, I think the liberals don't like games like this because they glorify the evil objects known as automobiles. Here in Boston the ledt hates them som much that they have been wsting billions to bury them in the clusterfuck that is the "Big Dig."

Or maybe the liberals who don't like these games don't like them because THEY GLORIFY CRIME.

Ever think of that?

But they seldom complain about rap.

 

Odd.

-=Mike

I hear just as many liberals complain about rap as I hear complain about GTA.

[AndrewTS 0]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/01/news_6121449.html

 

Mario blamed for teen's turtle-toppling rampage

 

Anti-game attorney Fred Johnson calls reptile deaths "avoidable" and holds Nintendo and its "pernicious plumber" responsible.

 

See it » On Wednesday, tragedy struck Las Tortugas de Jesus, a sea turtle sanctuary in Akumal, Mexico, just south of Cancun. A vacationing 16-year-old teen entered the endangered terrapins' safe haven and began jumping on top of the nesting reptiles with both feet. 34 turtles were killed in the rampage, and 15 more were wounded. The perpetrator was uninjured.

 

"It was horrible," recalled witness Bruce Worthington. "I brought my family all the way from Wichita to see the loggerheads nest, as well as have a few strawberry margaritas. Everything was going fine. It was a serene scene. Then, out of nowhere, some kid entered the nesting area and began violently jumping on the turtles' heads."

 

The teenager, whose name is being withheld, admitted to local authorities that he was reenacting a scene from the game Super Mario Bros. In the Nintendo video game, an Italian plumber named Mario jumps on turtles, killing them, and then uses their carapaces as weapons.

 

"Life is like a video game," the teenager reportedly said before being dragged away by local police. "If I hadn't jumped on those turtles, they would've sprouted wings and could've kidnapped the princess. What then, huh? HUH?!"

 

"This must stop!" decreed crusading anti-game attorney Fred Johnson, who has long been a critic of the industry, saying multimillion-selling games such as Grand Theft Auto should be banned for causing violent behavior in a half-dozen teenagers. "Those creatures out there weren't just turtles. They were mothers. They were fathers, sisters, and brothers. How do you explain to their families what happened? That blood is on Nintendo's hands."

 

"He's a good boy," said the teenager's father, who declined to give his name. "He's active in school sports and made the honor roll last semester. I don't know what happened. Maybe we should have let him bring his Game Boy on vacation."

 

Officials from the local US consulate were also on hand to survey the carnage. "I've never seen anyone take out so many opponents so efficiently," consulate official John Sommerhalder said. "It's like he was trained. I haven't seen anything like this since Honduras in '85."

 

Brian Sanderson, a representative for Nintendo of America, said, "We at Nintendo would like to express our grief and condolences to the next of kin of the turtles lost in the tragedy. In no way do we condone the behavior exhibited by this young man. Nintendo's products are meant to be family-oriented entertainment."

 

By Pierre Chang -- GameSpot

POSTED: 04/01/05 11:44 AM PST

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Well at least the kid didn't start throwing fireballs...

[SuperJerk 0]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/01/news_6121449.html

 

Mario blamed for teen's turtle-toppling rampage

 

Anti-game attorney Fred Johnson calls reptile deaths "avoidable" and holds Nintendo and its "pernicious plumber" responsible.

 

See it » On Wednesday, tragedy struck Las Tortugas de Jesus, a sea turtle sanctuary in Akumal, Mexico, just south of Cancun. A vacationing 16-year-old teen entered the endangered terrapins' safe haven and began jumping on top of the nesting reptiles with both feet. 34 turtles were killed in the rampage, and 15 more were wounded. The perpetrator was uninjured.

 

"It was horrible," recalled witness Bruce Worthington. "I brought my family all the way from Wichita to see the loggerheads nest, as well as have a few strawberry margaritas. Everything was going fine. It was a serene scene. Then, out of nowhere, some kid entered the nesting area and began violently jumping on the turtles' heads."

 

The teenager, whose name is being withheld, admitted to local authorities that he was reenacting a scene from the game Super Mario Bros. In the Nintendo video game, an Italian plumber named Mario jumps on turtles, killing them, and then uses their carapaces as weapons.

 

"Life is like a video game," the teenager reportedly said before being dragged away by local police. "If I hadn't jumped on those turtles, they would've sprouted wings and could've kidnapped the princess. What then, huh? HUH?!"

 

"This must stop!" decreed crusading anti-game attorney Fred Johnson, who has long been a critic of the industry, saying multimillion-selling games such as Grand Theft Auto should be banned for causing violent behavior in a half-dozen teenagers. "Those creatures out there weren't just turtles. They were mothers. They were fathers, sisters, and brothers. How do you explain to their families what happened? That blood is on Nintendo's hands."

 

"He's a good boy," said the teenager's father, who declined to give his name. "He's active in school sports and made the honor roll last semester. I don't know what happened. Maybe we should have let him bring his Game Boy on vacation."

 

Officials from the local US consulate were also on hand to survey the carnage. "I've never seen anyone take out so many opponents so efficiently," consulate official John Sommerhalder said. "It's like he was trained. I haven't seen anything like this since Honduras in '85."

 

Brian Sanderson, a representative for Nintendo of America, said, "We at Nintendo would like to express our grief and condolences to the next of kin of the turtles lost in the tragedy. In no way do we condone the behavior exhibited by this young man. Nintendo's products are meant to be family-oriented entertainment."

 

By Pierre Chang -- GameSpot

POSTED: 04/01/05 11:44 AM PST

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