Lakers vs. kings

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Remember when they were arguing about who was better: Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano? The argument was ended when the Jewish guy said, "he beat Joe Louis' ass!"

 

They beat the Sacramento's ass!

[Guest Ripper]

After Sundays game, it looked more like

 

Lakers & Refs vs. Kings.  I mean honestly, they should just let the refs were laker warm ups and do chest bumps and be annouced with the rest of the team, because they were making horrible, horrible calls in that game.

 

The refs have been letting alot go in the playoffs, and calling it pretty evenly.  But this game sunday was ridiculously 1 sided when ever the Kings would make a run.  And they are really rewarding Derek Fisher for his flopping.  The Kings have to REALLy put up a great game if they want to win.  

 

 

 

Ripper: I really hope Kobes Elbow is ok after Doug Christies nose fouled it.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Ripper, your post thoroughly entertained me. I wish referees really would chest bump the players.

[Guest]

After Sundays game, it looked more like

 

Lakers & Refs vs. Kings.  I mean honestly, they should just let the refs were laker warm ups and do chest bumps and be annouced with the rest of the team, because they were making horrible, horrible calls in that game.

 

The refs have been letting alot go in the playoffs, and calling it pretty evenly.  But this game sunday was ridiculously 1 sided when ever the Kings would make a run.  And they are really rewarding Derek Fisher for his flopping.  The Kings have to REALLy put up a great game if they want to win.  

 

 

 

Ripper: I really hope Kobes Elbow is ok after Doug Christies nose fouled it.

You have got to be flipping kidding me... that was the most evenly officiated game I've seen all post-season.  The Lakers shot five more free throws than the Kings, and four of them occurred at the end of the game when the Kings were intentionally fouling.  Both of Webber's charging fouls were completely legit, Fox was stationary and CWebb was totally out of control on the Fisher one.  It boggles the mind that a fan of the Kings (a team possessing the master of flops, Vlade) can talk about Fisher like that.  As for Christie, I agree that it was not a foul, but it should have been a no call.  You have to give the offensive player room to make his move.  It's one thing if Kobe puts extends his elbow, but he didn't do that... he simply shifted the ball from one side to the other and Christie was too close.  

 

Face it, the Kings are doomed to fail again.  Granted they have improved defensively and Bibby has been a major addition.  But they still have CWebb the loser.  His numbers are great and always will be... but he simply isn't a winner.  He spends too much time blaming the refs or his teammates or the press, and not enough time making his teammates better or taking blame for losses.

[Guest Ripper]

2 things, I am NOT a Kings fan...I am a Suns fan(yeah, I know) and I was routing for the Mavs last round.  I am not a fan of either team, but the Kings were getting the bum calls in that game.  The officials were obviously biased which leads to point 2....

 

The refs paid the Kings back because game 2 was a horribly officiated game in thier favor.  So far we are 2 games down and not one has been evenly officiated.  the officials on the East coast are being very consistant right now, and it just hasn;t been the case the the Laker King series.  

 

I have to take you to task on the Derek Fisher thing.  the fact that Derek Fisher is considered a great defender in laughable.  Vlade might flop more, but he never gets the call.  Fisher is the floppingist man in the league right now that consistantly gets the call.  Its not just that game, he consistantly flops at the slightest contact, yet he gets the benefit call nearly every time.  Vlade has overflopped to the point that he never gets the call even if he is right.  he has sacraficed playing defense sometimes just so he can flop, the complain and then get a tech.  They BOTH need to play defense and stop using theatrics to get the upper hand in my eyes.

[Guest Ripper]

Although I think the game 2 was officiated horribly for the Lakers, Shq calling anyone cheaters is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.  Hopefully the refs will clamp down on all flopping and such, and then the Kings would lose Vlades effects but the lakers would lose Fisher, George, and Fox..which no doubt Jackson will complain about.  

 

The kings got the Benefit of the doubt, but Jackson saying that Webber getting calls for slamming into the guys when his guys were just standing there is no doubt the funniest thing that I have ever heard in my life. Has he ever seen Shaq play.  

 

The Lakers and the Celtics are both doing too much talking in the respective series.  Walker talking about how great thier defense was and how defining their win was....they won by 7 points.  The same amount the Nets won by in game one.  Why is thier win so much more coveinceing in his eyes, I don't know.  The lakers are constatnly firing shots at the Kings, and It just might come back to bite them in the ass. when it is all said and done.  

 

"There is only one way to beat the Lakers and it starts with "C" and ends with "T"...." Shaquille O'neal

 

Shaq: apparently forgetting how they won thier first championship and how Lue and Fisher "held" Iverson in the finals last year.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I don't know if Shaq's comment was meant to be taken seriously, I know I didn't take it as such.

[Guest]

Shaq: apparently forgetting how they won thier first championship and how Lue and Fisher "held" Iverson in the finals last year.

 

WTF?

[Guest Ripper]

Oh, come on.  Even Bill "I'm the Lakers Bitch" Walton was admitting that the "defense" that Lue and Fisher were using to deny Iverson the ball was nothing more than grabbing and holding on for dear life.  And if Walton says anything negative about the Lakers, you know something is obvious.

[Guest ErekT2k]

Ripper, you have gotta be kiddin me.

 

Derek Fisher flopping at the slightest contact?! Name one incident, plz. Because all the times that Fisher has taken a charge, it was timed to when the opponent was charging right at him.

 

And how the hell would you know if Fisher is a great defender? The whole Lakers team is one of the top defensive squads in the NBA, if not the best. Now is that laughable? Maybe you should ask the Spurs how they couldn't get their 3 point shots going and ask them why.

[Guest Ripper]

Um..maybe because their only 2 3 point shooters were, A: not getting minutes(Smith) or B: had their shooting hand injured.  

 

Ask this question, did they miss because of defense or just not hitting their shots.  The Spurs had a shit load of wide open shots...thats kinda how they built those leads every game.  Then they would miss in the fourth, and it wasn't due to pressure.  Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Lindsy Hunter and Brian Shaw are great one on one defenders.  Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'neil are great team defenders.  They have a very good defensive squad... Derek Fisher just isn't that great a defender and depends on his flopping to get calls.  You want instaces?? Watch the game tonight.  I can guarentee that Fisher will get at least 4 offensive fouls called on players around him due to flopping and will probably not get one of them.  Although, hopefully with all thier bitching the Lakers have punked the refs into not calling the flops which will render Vlade and Fisher useless on the defensive end.

 

If you want more proof, go to every sports site (NBA.com, Espn.com, Sporting News.com) and look at the stories about the flopping and Shaq and Phil complaining.  EVERY writer that wrote about it names one other person when it come to ecessive flopping...guess who they name.  Derek Fisher.  it is pretty common knowledge if you watch the game that he is a infamous flopper.

[Guest]

But Derek Fisher never complains when he doesn't get the call... unlike Vlade, who whines no matter what.

[Guest Ripper]

I agree there.  Like they always say "Vlade Divac has never committed a foul in his life according to him"

 

BUT...the point is that the Lakers are complaining because Vlade flops.  Horry's flops is what got Webber in trouble in game one.  Derek Fisher is the master of ending a run, break or rhytm with his flops.  Rick Fox does it better than most in the league.  If they are so against flopping, maybe they shouldn't do it themselves. It would help thier argument.  

 

I am just so totally against flopping, it just is a cheap way to force the refs to make a call.  

 

Shaq, being the moron that he is, shot himself in the foot in the off season when he bragged about how he was indeed throwin elbows at Mutumbo(after saying that Mutumbo was flopping during the finals) and commiting offensive fouls because he is a great shot blocker so he had to knock him off his guard.  NOW he wants to accuse someone else of flopping.  He pretty much was bragging about fooling the refs in the offseason, but now wants the benefit of the doubt again.  Stupid move if you ask me.

[Guest]

Agreed.  Shaq should not have given the refs any example to point to when calling offensive fouls.

[Guest ErekT2k]

Um..maybe because their only 2 3 point shooters were, A: not getting minutes(Smith) or B: had their shooting hand injured.  

 

Ripper, You have to play good to get minutes. The coach doesn't just take you out because he hates you. Everyone knows Smith is a great 3 point threat and you wonder why he's not getting minutes? On your second claim, I have no recollection of so I won't talk about it.

 

And I knew you couldn't name one incident. Telling me to watch the game (which I will because I'm a Lakers fan) is just another lousy excuse.

 

And for your recommendation of going to sports sites, I am a daily NBA.com visiter and I recall no example to where they point out Derek Fisher as an excessive flopper. None, whatsoever. Maybe you can give me a direct link instead of just giving me the main URL.

 

The only thing I do agree on is that the Lakers should shut up and play their game. I haven't heard this much talking since Charles Barkley was in the finals.

[Guest bravesfan]

Steve Smith Player Stats (Western Conference Semifinals)

Source: espn.com

 

GP GS MIN   PTS  OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK  TO A/TO PF

5   0   25.4 7.6   0.6  0.6 1.2   0.6 0.80 0.20 0.4 1.50 1.8

 

Average Shots Per Game:

FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT%

1.8  6.0 .300   1.0  3.4 .294  3.0 3.0 1.000

[Guest bravesfan]

And a little bit more...

 

Steve Smith Game-By-Game Stats

source: espn.com

 

Game 1: 35 MINUTES (4-11 FG, 5-5 FT, 3-8 3PM: 16 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block)

 

Game 2: 19 MINUTES (2-4 FG, 3-3 FT, 0-1 3PM: 7 points, 3 steals, 3 fouls)

 

Game 3: 40 MINUTES (2-8 FG, 2-2 FT, 1-3 3PM: 9 points, 1 rebound)

 

Game 4: 22 MINUTES (1-5 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-3 3PM: 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 steal)

 

Game 5: 11 MINUTES (0-2 FG, 0-0 FT,0-2 3PM: 0 POINTS, 1 assist)

[Guest ant_7000]

Well I saw the last 6 minutes of game 3, and what I heard Kings dominated the Lakers the whole game eventhough the Lakers were hot in the 4th and the Kings kept their composure didn't pull a SAN ANTONIO and got the win (2-1.) So I do believe that the Kings can win the series.

[Guest bravesfan]

Bibby is definitely the X-Factor... had the Spurs had someone like him, their series with the Lakers would've been a different story.

 

(Don't get me wrong, Tony Parker is AWESOME...but thing is, he's a rookie and he just needs time to prove he can be in the elite class of point guards. Bibby must've benfitted greatly from his dad's teaching)

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

The Lakers handled their business tonight though. I don't care who you are, you have to stand up and give Shaquille his respect. People have been trying to humiliate him throughout his career for his free throw shooting, but he was clutch tonight. I saw one show where they had some girl standing on the roof of NBC Studios where she would shoot free throws. The object was for her to match Shaq's free throw shooting for whatever game he played in that day. Perhaps if they had her running back and forth for 3 hours while matching up with 7 foot people and with a game on the line, it might be smilar, but people on't give him enough credit. Tonight, he hit  free throws in a row down the stretc, including two when he was intentionally fouled by Divac.

 

I think a game like this one is tough because the Kings were ahead the entire game, but relinquished their lead with no time on the clock and lost. I have been hearing people talking about how much the Kings dominated the Lakers, but the Lakers outscored them in every quarter except for the first. I would rather lose a back and forth game than a game that i was leadin the entire time.

[Guest jimmy no nose]

I agree with everything pinaccleofallthingsmanly just said.  The Lakers played 3 quarters of great basketball.  I heard Vlade Divac say that Horry's shot was all luck.  Maybe he should look at Horry's playoff history.  Chris Webber said it right when he said that it wasn't a lucky shot, but they were lucky they got the shot.  Vlade said he just threw it up.  Maybe he missed the other 2 3 pointers Horry had down the stretch.

 

Perhaps Mike Bibby cutting his nails on the bench affected his performance in the second half.

[Guest EI Cubano]

Robert Hory was just HUGE yet again in the clutch. There is a reason a Magic Johnson led committee just named Horry one of the 20 bext playoff players in history because he has been coming through in the 4th quarter and hitting game winners in the playoffs since the Rockets championship seasons, namely game 3 vs. Orlando in the NBA finals 7 years ago. While I personaly can't stand Chris Webber, at least he gave Horry the credit that the rest of his team didn't.

 

The Kings press conference looked like a bunch of spoiled 6 year olds who were all making excuse after excuse and bitching and moaning about "luck". Luck is not coming back from a 20 point defecit and neither was Horry's shot, it was basketball. A kings player deflected the ball back to Horry (Vlade I think) and he hit the huge 3 with Webber's hand almost in his face. I've got news for the Kings, if I sat down and watched the game I am sure I could find at least 5 instances of "luck" where a ball was deflected to one of their players and they converted.  

 

The Kings shot 71% from the floor in the first half and looked like a better team than LA most of the game and series so far for that matter, but honestly they all come off like a bunch of bitches, Vlade Divac in particular.

 

The series is basically LA's to lose in my opinion. They need Kobe to play the kind of basketball he is capable, Shaq to play like he did last night, Derrick Fischer to shoot above 25% and stop forcing stupid shots that he is honestly isn't that capable of making and to start playing the kind of defense he is capable of, especially against Bibby. They also need to follow the ball a little more on defense and stop giving Bibby and Webber those jumpers that the top of the key that they just don't miss very often.

[Guest]

What a huge shot.  I still smile and laugh when thinking about it.  I watched it with my family and I could barely hear the TV when Horry knocked that sumbitch down.  This is why I love being a Lakers fan.  I had to live through Doug Christie and Vlade, Van Exel and Jones, the Worm, etc.  Them being the champs is so great.  

 

As for the Kings... it all just sounds like sour grapes.  These are the guys that told the Lakers to just play after Games 2 and 3.  They lose and they're right back on the refs.  I couldn't believe Bobby Jackson saying "They scared of us."  Maybe Christie can do the sign of the cross and raise his hand in the air... what an ass.  It'll be interesting to see how the Kings respond tonight, though.  Will they play like New Jersey or will they fold?

[Guest Ripper]

Ok, seriously...Laker fan or no... are you saying you REALLY don't see what the Kings are talking about with the excessive physical play on Bibby in the second half.  Not to take away from the Lakers, they took that first quarter on the chin and played strong the rest of the game, but the way they played Bibby in the second half was ridiculous, it was basically body checking whenever he got pass the first man with no call.  That will throw off your offence...and the Kings still could've won if not for a dumbass 3 from Christie with a hand in his face(what was he 1 for 6 in the game) and Vlade missing a freethrow.  

 

It was ridiculous to hear Vlade call the shot luck, though.  It was just a little hurt feelings of seeing Horry come up clutch when he missed the huge free throw.  

 

The Kings are hoping to get some calls due to the talk in between games (notice the lack of offensive fouls on Shaq due to the talk between games) so it would be ridiculous to for them to not try to use the same tactic when it comes to the Bibby thing.  At the end of the day, they are going to have to outplay the Lakers, and tonight we will see if they can do it.

[Guest Human Fly]

Vlade's flopping is getting ridiculous. He is the new John Stockton. He's always talking too, shut up and play ball Vlade.

 

Mike Bibby has carried the Kings through the playoffs if you ask me. Webber is the opposite of a PTPer. He never wants the ball in the crunch, and that's why he's overrated. Half the time the Kings come down the court they're either taking insane 3 pointers or a 20 foot 2 pointer. Whent they're not doing that, they can't get anyone to step up and take a shot. Lucky for them Bibby has hit clutch shots all series.

 

Turkolu (sp?) has finally started stepping up as well, but he was completely gone the first 6 quarters of the series. Stojakovic needs to give some offensive help in game 6 because the Lakers are going to come out strong. When was the last time they faced an elimination game.

 

If the Lakers do end up losing this series, it's just because they didn't want it as bad as the Kings. They can seemingly come back from any amount of points whenever they want. Game was the closest thing to complete game that the Lakers have given. They were up by 10 most of the last 3 quarters and after Sacremento's run the Laker's were still up by around 7. BTW, the Sacremento run fell short because Webber couldn't make a decision with the ball, didn't want it, and was out of control in the paint. Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Lakers come back and win the series, maybe this will be a wake-up call and the Kings will go down. Or, maybe the Kings are for real and can pull it out.

[Guest Dangerous A]

"Vlade's flopping is getting ridiculous. He is the new John Stockton. He's always talking too, shut up and play ball Vlade."

 

 

While I agree that Vlade flops like a fish out of water a lot, the Lakers have 3 notorious floppers, Fox, Fisher and Horry. You can't tell me that was a bullshit flop by Horry when he launched himself into the Kings bench in the fourth quarter of game 4. And Fisher is the worse of them all.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Can the Refs just let the teams play. It seems like every little thing has to be called.

[Guest El Satanico]

"Vlade's flopping is getting ridiculous. He is the new John Stockton. He's always talking too, shut up and play ball Vlade."

 

 

While I agree that Vlade flops like a fish out of water a lot, the Lakers have 3 notorious floppers, Fox, Fisher and Horry. You can't tell me that was a bullshit flop by Horry when he launched himself into the Kings bench in the fourth quarter of game 4. And Fisher is the worse of them all.

Fisher's flopping left the guy that took the winning shot wide open in the last game. So to bitch about others flopping and not bring up that Fisher's flopping lost them a game is just stupid.

[Guest]

Even though CWebb set an illegal screen?

[Guest Dangerous A]

From what I saw, Webber set a regular screen and Fisher tried to flop the call and it got no called. Nothing about Webber's screen was illegal.