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One question (first of many, I imagine, but I can't think of them right now): When Palpatine was getting toasted by his lightning from Mace, was it that his real face was actually getting burned, or was his disguise just getting burnt off?

That was his real face getting fucked up. In the book, he says something like "So, now the mask becomes the man." Implying that his burned face was the mask of Sidious, not the face of his true self.

Thanks

 

Another one: Why was Anakin wearing that black outfit throughout the movie (even before turning bad) instead of the traditional Jedi attire?

Why does Luke wear all black in ROTJ? It's just his style. There's also a little bit of foreshadowing in it, but if you look closely, it's the same general Jedi outfit, except it's black and leather.

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Why does Luke wear all black in ROTJ?

With that case, I would think it'd have to do with the absence of the Jedi in Luke's time period

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Did anyone else make the tired and cliche joke, either out loud or in your head, "We can rebuild him. We have the technology" for Vader?

No, but I WAS singing the 'Shaft' theme quietly to myself during the Mace/Palpatine fight.

 

He's one bad mutha- SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

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If you're looking for an actual reason it might just be the fashion choice for hiding cybernetic appendages or perhaps is a significant colour to represent this... but the real answer is most likely that it looks cool.

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Some interesting (if true) notes from IMDB about the movie

 

- Originally, a young Han Solo was going to make an appearance in the film, living among the Wookies on Kashyyyk.

 

- There are over 2,200 special effects shots in this film, more than Episode I and II combined. Star Wars (1977) only had 350 such shots.

 

- George Lucas played a prank on Christopher Lee, where a puppet of Master Yoda was placed on set, complete with fangs or vampire teeth.

 

- George Lucas allowed his friend Steven Spielberg to design some of the action sequences, including Yoda's duel with Darth Sidious, and Obi-Wan's fight with General Grievous. Spielberg also consulted on other scenes, such as the climactic battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin.

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Anakin had the same clothes in Episode II. He just happened to pick a dark look, which was fitting. You couldn't have someone dressed like Obi-Wan or Yoda going to the dark side. In fact, of the Jedi with speaking roles, it seems that the shading of their clothes has a lot to show about how they conduct themselves. Yoda and Obi-Wan's clothes were very light, Mace's had a darker tone, as did... whatever the name of the Conehead Jedi Master was. I won't even try to spell the name because I'll mangle it. Mace and the Conehead spoke of taking control of the Senate and overthrowing Palpatine, Yoda and Obi-Wan spoke of moderation, and of course Anakin ended up plain evil by the end.

 

Han Solo met Chewbacca when Chewie was a slave to some Imperial officer during Han's time at the Academy. I believe Chewie was being abused or something, and Han saved him. They then fled and became nondescript smugglers, and Chewbacca owed Han a life debt for rescuing him so he hung around to protect and help him. There were rumors of a scene where a young Han helped save Yoda from the clone troopers, but it was thankfully cut, as was another rumored Yoda farting moment.

 

What pisses me off is that Luke's attire in ROTJ prompted Lucas to say "now that's what a Jedi looks like," but he decided that they'd all end up wearing Obi-Wan's desert hermit clothes. I guess you can't be virtuous and all that in a badass black outfit. Makes sense, but I'm really not a fan of the super impoverished look. Anakin and Mace's costumes (moreso Mace's) were a nice compromise between cool and humble.

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Just wondering, but where is all this stuff about Han being at the Academy? In the films the Academy stuff is never exactly explained, I always thought it was something akin to the Jedi Academy, but since there were no Jedis at that point it was a variation. Or was it just a form of private schooling? Either way it's hard to believe Han Solo would ever be in such a place.

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There's just two scenes in the movie that I wish were not cut from the film:

Qui Gon appearing as a force ghost would be one of them. I know they mention him, but I wanted to see the force ghost appear.

 

The other is Yoda landing on Dagobah. We see Vader/Palpatine in space, Bail Organa and his wife on Alderaan, and Obi Wan going to Tatooine, but no Yoda landing on the planet. Not even a space pod heading toward the planet.

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Just wondering, but where is all this stuff about Han being at the Academy? In the films the Academy stuff is never exactly explained, I always thought it was something akin to the Jedi Academy, but since there were no Jedis at that point it was a variation. Or was it just a form of private schooling? Either way it's hard to believe Han Solo would ever be in such a place.

One would assume Flight Academy given both Han and Luke's flying skills

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I have a question: What's the truth regarding Jedi Master Syfo-Dias (sp?) and he asking the people of Kamino for the clones? Do you think whomever created the clone Army already implanted the knowledge for Order 66 on them? Or was the order given later to be obeyed in the future? It seems kinda odd that the troopers where all buddy-buddy with the Jedi before - Commander Cody even returned Obi-Wan's light-saber to him just seconds before the order.

My thoughts on Sifo Dyas:

 

Sifo Dyas was a messed up pronunciation of "Sidious". He doesn't really exist. Sidious ordered the Clones, and the Cloners assumed he was a Jedi. Obi-Wan was blowing smoke up the Cloner's ass in AOTC when discussing him (watch his reactions..."I'm sorry", etc.) so they wouldn't know why he was really there (hence the line "That's why I'm here" when it really wasn't). Obi-Wan was just GUESSING that Syfo Dias was killed ten years ago because he'd never heard of him (he even admits this in a later scene).

 

Yoda and Mace had no idea who the hell he was either, so Yoda went to the Cloners' planet to get to the bottom of it. Sidious (aka Syfo Dias) ordered the clones (including having "Order 66" implanted into their minds), and had Tyranus (aka Count Dooku) hire Jango to kill Padme, because he was trying to start a really big war that would wipe out most of the Jedi.

 

Not a single fucking thing happened in these movies without Sidious orchestrating it some how.

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One more thought...

 

Anyone get the feeling that Palpatine/Sideous was Darth Plagius' apprentice? I mean 1)How else would Palpatine know the story so well and 2)Notice the smirk when he's telling the stor to Anakin.

He was.

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Good: The final saber duels

Bad: Anakin's triple-lutz-into-somersault-dive-with-half-twist right before Obi-Wan fucked him up... what the fuck was that?

He had to do that though, because he was an arrogant prick.

 

And Yoda is a sore loser. Or took his lost very hard, as he should.

 

Last thing, was that a gameboy Anakin was playing with, during one of his scenes with Padme?

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The other is Yoda landing on Dagobah. We see Vader/Palpatine in space, Bail Organa and his wife on Alderaan, and Obi Wan going to Tatooine, but no Yoda landing on the planet. Not even a space pod heading toward the planet.

Maybe he had some whacky adventures along the way before he got there.

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The other is Yoda landing on Dagobah. We see Vader/Palpatine in space, Bail Organa and his wife on Alderaan, and Obi Wan going to Tatooine, but no Yoda landing on the planet. Not even a space pod heading toward the planet.

There is no clip of Yoda going to Dagobath because Yoda himself says that he'll finish Obi-Wan's training on Tatooine with Qui-Gonn's help.

 

At least thats what I remember.

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Since they're still on Captain Antilles' ship at the start of ANH, I'm guessing they played some part in the rebellion. And since R2 has the plans of the Death Star with him in ANH, they probably saw some action over those 20 years.

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What about the scene when Owen and Luke pick out C3P-O and R2 gets upset. Is it upset because he's being seperated from C3 or because he know who Luke is?

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What about the scene when Owen and Luke pick out C3P-O and R2 gets upset. Is it upset because he's being seperated from C3 or because he know who Luke is?

It is implied at the movie's end (and mentioned earlier in this long thread in regards to original rumours of episodes VII-IX) that R2-D2 never suffers from a memory wipe and knows every event from the saga.

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Well, thats my tickets booked for a second viewing of ROTS on Wednesday. Am looking forward to seeing it again and possibly picking up on some of the smaller details I might have missed first tim round.

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It's a classic (the Seinfeld).

 

Oh and is a split second of Jar-Jar Binks at a funeral procession without a line really that horrible? It's not like he sniffles and says, "Meesaaahh so sad" following a headspin with tongue flinging, spit flying in every direction. By no means am I fan of Binks but a glimpse doesn't ruin a scene.

 

The "No!" was rather cheesy but it fit the scene just because of the situation plus the room getting wrecked was a nice touch.

 

Two things said I couldn't help but to comment on.

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Based on EU material, can someone fill me in on the fate of the Wookies or how Chewie ended up with Han Solo? The movie seemingly implies that only the one whose name I don't remember off hand and Chewbaca survived Order 66.

According to the Han Solo trilogy, Han (new graduate of the Imperial academy and TIE fighter pilot) ran into Chewie when Chewie was part of a slave labor group. From what I remember, Chewie turned on the group leader after being laser-whipped. Han saved him since he was raised by a Wookie and felt he owed a debt after the Wookie sacrificed herself to allow Han to escape from his taskmaster. Chewie escaped, Han was kicked out the Imperial Navy, losing all decorations and medals in the process except for the Corellian Bloodstripe award he was allowed to keep for an unknown act of bravery (it's the red stripe on his pants).

 

Camo-clones were indeed cool. I wonder why the Empire lost the idea? Would have come in handy on Endor.

 

Yoda was indeed straight pimpin'. Using your lightsaber as a javelin is awesome beyond words.

 

The "NOOOOO" was cheesy, but I felt it worked for the scene. Anakin/DV is told that he killed his wife after struggling all this time and turning evil JUST so he could save her. It's a combination of his pain and his frustration at causing just what he was trying to stop. At least he got to destroy the medlab.

 

I believe in the book that Palpatine admits that he was Plagueis' apprentice.

 

All in all, I put it 2nd or 3rd behind ESB. Almost a dead heat with ANH. Fights were awesome, politics made sense, and Anakin/Padme was kept to a bare minimum ("I love you.""No, I love YOU" being a noteable exception). I'm hopefully going to see it Monday night. Best part is, a friend of a friend is closing the theater so it's going to be a private screening or sorts and we can bring in food and drinks. Beer and Star Wars in the theater! *thumbs up*

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Oh, so it was all explained in EU. I was just going off of what I read in a Star Wars trivia book way back in the day when we only had one trilogy to talk about.

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As cool as some of the EU stuff is, a lot of it has been contradicted by what we saw in the prequels.

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