WWE News and Notes

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Didnt Diesel get PINNED by the Undertaker clean at Wrestlemania 12 and then headline the next ppv against world champ HBK?

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You mean before doing the clean job on his way out of the promotion as fodder for the guy they were pushing to the moon as their champion?

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If he was fodder, why elevate him back up to face the champ? He could have faced a top-level guy who wasn't the champ, a la Vader-Razor the month before.

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If it was anyone else, then that would have been more likely to happen. But remember we're talking about The Clique. And speaking of Vader-Razor, if it was a non-Clique person on his way out, he'd have been squashed. For a guy on his way to the opposition, Razor lasted a while and looked very competitive

[Guest Fook]

Triple H has been off TV because creative feels he's becoming over exposed, he probobly won't be back in any significant role untill after Summerslam where he'll likely work with Cena. It's also possible that he may take time off to film another movie.

 

No HHH/Angle at SS? So what does Kurt do? Fight Shelton?

And having HHH just come back and being immediately put in a feud with Cena is stupid. Of course, it won't stop them from doing it.

 

Wouldn't it make much more sense to have Cena feud with Jericho until SS followed by Edge for a couple months while HHH has a big feud with Angle where the blowoff match is for the #1 contendership?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

HTQ- Edge has been involved with Kane in the past two RAWs. No Blowoff, smart guy.

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And I could argue that, especially after the PPV where Edge lost clean, that it's been mainly about Kane/Lita and NOT Kane/Edge.

 

I don't remember Kane cornering Edge in the back saying he was going to cut off HIS breathing, or whatever the hell Kane said.

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And I said it was a blowoff finish. Not that it was the blowoff their feud. Which it isn't. Which only makes the finish even more stupid.

[Downhome 0]

as the Edge/Kane fued was alwyas about Lita and only Lita.

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Thanks for making my point. The entire feud has been about Lita, and only Lita. The entire point is Kane vs Lita. Edge just happens to be the guy that she left Kane for. They don't focus on the Kane/Edge factor, they haven't really dont that at all other than the actual in-ring work. It's been all about Kane/Lita, it's been a Kane/Lita feud from the start, and Edge just happened to be in the middle of it to get squashed...jobbing clean in the end.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

as the Edge/Kane fued was alwyas about Lita and only Lita.

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Thanks for making my point. The entire feud has been about Lita, and only Lita. The entire point is Kane vs Lita. Edge just happens to be the guy that she left Kane for. They don't focus on the Kane/Edge factor, they haven't really dont that at all other than the actual in-ring work. It's been all about Kane/Lita, it's been a Kane/Lita feud from the start, and Edge just happened to be in the middle of it to get squashed...jobbing clean in the end.

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Which kind of makes it hard to take him seriously as WWE Title contender.

[Downhome 0]

Exactly.

 

It reminds me a little bit of the HHH/Steph, errr...HHH/Jericho feud.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Exactly.

 

It reminds me a little bit of the HHH/Steph, errr...HHH/Jericho feud.

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No doubt we'll soon be told how that did nothing to harm Jericho.

[Guest Rrrsh]

There has been no blow off yet. If Edge wins a blow off in the next coupel weeks, then both of your points are moot.

[Precious Roy 0]

I really dug Edge from his heel turn through the Benoit feud, but to me he's in this weird limbo of getting a super strong push that isn't going anywhere, and all this running in place has burned me out on the character. He wins the money in the bank. Then, because that wasn't enough, he wins the gold rush tournament too (this is where the overpush really started getting annoying) and promptly jobs to Batista despite three people and a briefcase working on his behalf, and the entire match, and thus entire tournament, is revealed to be only a cheap setup for the Flair fake turn and HIAC match. Then he's sunk into a crapfest with Kane, and if that isn't bad enough loses his money in the bank shot when the world title moves (though I'm sure they'll change the rules on the fly like usual). IMO his credibility as a top guy has been shot, they waited too long on him, and they'll REALLY bust him down once he jobs out to Cena, thus making the feud and subsequent match more of a mercy killing than anything. Running a mercy killing on the third biggest show of the year is stupid when you have a hot option of Cena v. Jericho on the table.

[Papacita 0]

Didnt Diesel get PINNED by the Undertaker clean at Wrestlemania 12 and then headline the next ppv against world champ HBK?

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You mean before doing the clean job on his way out of the promotion as fodder for the guy they were pushing to the moon as their champion?

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If he was fodder, why elevate him back up to face the champ? He could have faced a top-level guy who wasn't the champ, a la Vader-Razor the month before.

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Not to mention Deisel was built very well, and marks who did not know he was leaving really did not know if HBK could overcome the 7 foot monster.

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Different situations in that Shawn/Diesel headlined an In Your House and not a major show like SummerSlam, so they weren't really looking to bring in that big a buyrate. Also, I don't think people saw Diesel as too much of a threat going into that show since--aside from it really being a minor PPV--Shawn had JUST won the belt at Mania, and how many champions drop the belt in their first major defense? And the loss to Taker didn't help matters at all.

 

As for the current situation, I like Edge, but I agree they'd be better off going with Jericho. While I don't think the loss to Kane is that big a deal considering the Money in the Bank stip (which, on a side note, I think could be a good way to move him over to Smackdown if they wanted to, since the contract was for a World Title shot and not necessarily a WWE Title shot), to me he really hasn't looked like a title contender in the past couple of months and could stand to be built up a little stronger. And while I really have a hard time seeing Jericho as a believable contender anymore, I like the current storyline they're running with him and Cena, which could turn into something nice if given the right time to develop. Neither of them are ideal choices to headline a SummerSlam IMO, but if I had to choose, I'd go with Jericho.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Well this was the last of the PWI Insider updates. spman informed me today that Mr. Scherer suspended his account for "posting "Copywritten News" to online boards and taking away subscribers". How they tracked him we are not sure but the current guess he was the only subscriber.

[Guest JMA]

Here's what I don't get: Why doesn't Kane just kill Edge and Lita? We're talking about a guy who has tried to actually MURDER people before (The Brood, The Undertaker, Shane McMahon, ect).

 

Why doesn't he just electrocute Edge's testicles and set Lita on fire? And why is no character in this angle even remotely likeable? Kane's a sadistic rapist, Edge is an egotistical and paranoid prick, and Lita is a slut who doesn't even care she miscarried. They're all horrible people.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Here's what I don't get: Why doesn't Kane just kill Edge and Lita? We're talking about a guy who has tried to actually MURDER people before (The Brood, The Undertaker, Shane McMahon, ect).

 

Why doesn't he just electrocute Edge's testicles and set Lita on fire? And why is no character in this angle even remotely likeable? Kane's a sadistic rapist, Edge is an egotistical and paranoid prick, and Lita is a slut who doesn't even care she miscarried. They're all horrible people.

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He wants to torture them...make them suffer.

 

Feels that death is too good a fate for them.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

Kane lost his mask so he lost 50% of his super powers. Remember the WM XIV build up when Kane set people on fire. He should do that before all his matches.

[Gary Floyd 0]

HTQ- Edge has been involved with Kane in the past two RAWs. No Blowoff, smart guy.

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And I could argue that, especially after the PPV where Edge lost clean, that it's been mainly about Kane/Lita and NOT Kane/Edge.

 

I don't remember Kane cornering Edge in the back saying he was going to cut off HIS breathing, or whatever the hell Kane said.

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I fued with Lita is a fued with Edge, as the Edge/Kane fued was alwyas about Lita and only Lita.

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You had a fued with Lita?

[RedJed 0]

Well this was the last of the PWI Insider updates. spman informed me today that Mr. Scherer suspended his account for "posting "Copywritten News" to online boards and taking away subscribers". How they tracked him we are not sure but the current guess he was the only subscriber.

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I won't expose the name(s) but I know for a fact some PWInsider.com staff frequent this board. So that is your answer right there.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Back to Summerslam and Edge.

 

Ideas being batted around for John Cena are defending against Jericho(unlikely), defending against Edge with Money in the Bank(40% chance), or defending against Kurt Angle(more likely at 60%). Here is my idea:

 

Just do a Fatal 4 way with Cena vs Jericho vs Edge vs Angle. Have Edge come out soon and say he is cashing in money in the bank at Summerslam. I'll save some time here but find ways to include Angle and Jericho in the match as well(maybe have Cena drop a fall, very CHEAPLY, to one of them, but ultimately, the reasoning for adding them should be good).

 

Edge is pissed because he wanted a singles but Bischoff never promised that. Fast forward to the match, where Cena beats Jericho, blowing off that feud. Edge has cashed in money in the bank, didn'tlose, and also didn't win the belt. This returns him to his bitching character that got him over in the first place. After SS, you have Cena defending against Edge, Angle, HBK, or HHH, a stacked roster of top heels. This way, if they want, they can save HHH vs Cena for a much later date.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Losing the big blowoff clean takes a lot of steam off people. Yes, they can be built up again, but that takes time, and, to make the most money, which is the point of wrestling in case it's escaped you, it usually isn't a good idea to beat the guy clean who is going to headline the next major PPV in a world title match.

 

It only takes the steam off because the bookers suck ass. A competant writing/booking crew can regain the "lost steam" in one night with a great angle or promo.

 

But since we're talking about WWE, what you say is true.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Well this was the last of the PWI Insider updates. spman informed me today that Mr. Scherer suspended his account for "posting "Copywritten News" to online boards and taking away subscribers". How they tracked him we are not sure but the current guess he was the only subscriber.

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I won't expose the name(s) but I know for a fact some PWInsider.com staff frequent this board. So that is your answer right there.

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Hi guys! I'm Patrick!

[MrRant 0]

How the fuck would they link the two together unless he used the same username in both places.

 

Which would have been stupid.

[Fökai 0]

spman informed me today that Mr. Scherer suspended his account for "posting "Copywritten News" to online boards and taking away subscribers".

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"posting "Copywritten News"

 

"Copywritten News"

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

Oh, Scherer is just too much.

 

 

To stay on the topic, I agree with the idea of building to Cena/Jericho, unless the bookers are naive enough to believe they can blow-off this feud, THEN begin on Cena/Edge for the second-largest pay-per-view of the year. If it's the latter, Cena/Edge will be an afterthought, which is frustrating because it means that the MiTB stipulation was wasted on such a secondary angle.

[zyn081 0]

Back to Summerslam and Edge.

 

Ideas being batted around for John Cena are defending against Jericho(unlikely), defending against Edge with Money in the Bank(40% chance), or defending against Kurt Angle(more likely at 60%). Here is my idea:

 

Just do a Fatal 4 way with Cena vs Jericho vs Edge vs Angle. Have Edge come out soon and say he is cashing in money in the bank at Summerslam. I'll save some time here but find ways to include Angle and Jericho in the match as well(maybe have Cena drop a fall, very CHEAPLY, to one of them, but ultimately, the reasoning for adding them should be good).

 

Edge is pissed because he wanted a singles but Bischoff never promised that. Fast forward to the match, where Cena beats Jericho, blowing off that feud.  Edge has cashed in money in the bank, didn'tlose, and also didn't win the belt. This returns him to his bitching character that got him over in the first place. After SS, you have Cena defending against Edge, Angle, HBK, or HHH, a stacked roster of top heels. This way, if they want, they can save HHH vs Cena for a much later date.

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Thats a cop out and a way to waste the MitB stip. Let Cena go over Jericho (I cant believe I said that since I prefer Jericho way more). Angles done nothing to deserve a title shot on RAW yet.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Shawn/Diesel is a special situation. It had been building for some time, and fans had been wanting to see a rematch since Wrestlemania XI over a year earlier. The feud was more personal than it was Diesel deserves a title shot. Plus, he had just lost to Taker, basically the most invincible wrestler on the roster since 1991. It also got the highest buyrate of Shawn's horrible championship run so it did something right.

 

Triple H has been off TV because creative feels he's becoming over exposed, he probobly won't be back in any significant role untill after Summerslam where he'll likely work with Cena. It's also possible that he may take time off to film another movie.

 

I can't say I'm surprised. If the feud occurs it practically guarantees that Batista will hold his belt longer than Cena. I will be quite pissed if we don't get a Cena/HBK feud though.

[Guest Coffey]

You know, Triple H leaving TV doesn't mean anything if the shows are being dominated by Hulk Hogan the whole time he's on hiatus. They need to use the time to get over characters like Cena, Carlito, etc. on TV more.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Cena is pretty much done as far as character growth is concerned, though I agree w/ Carlito and others.