Guest Vyce Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Fake Title Reign, version 2.0 For reference, see Jericho, Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 OH COME ON, KCIK OUT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 21, 2002 We should've saw that coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted May 21, 2002 AW FUCK THE DUSTY FINISH! COCKSUCKER! FUCK! FUCK FUCK! DAMMIT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The BiG C Report post Posted May 21, 2002 This is Bull. A 45 second title reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Well, that ending sucked, and ruined a perfectly good Raw. Thanks WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 That was an AWESOME Raw that started with a tear dropping tribute to the Bulldog. What a night...thanks Vince...in all seriousness, you made my week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 21, 2002 It wasn't a 45 second title reign...RVD never won the belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Man, that was friggin obvious. Taker ain't putting over anybody that hasn't paid their dues. He's a Hoss, dammit! I'm excited for Eddie-Austin. Now we're talking **** matches. Booker joining the nWo for good. I knew it. Why have him be a successful face after a good old-fashioned heel beatdown when he can join the most dangerous stable EVER, following in the tradition of his brother. No Bradshaw!!!! They did something right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 21, 2002 The constant references by JR about the fact that anything can happen in the WWE made the Title match finish obvious from a mile away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 I love how they only tease title wins for guys like Benoit, Jericho and RVD...but they give them to Taker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Well, that ending sucked, and ruined a perfectly good Raw. Thanks WWE. Oh PLEASE! This got everyone over! It got the crowd EXTREMELY hyped for RVD, it made the Taker look like an old man with an overblown ego who nearly jobs to a guy shot up from the midcard. It makes Flair a hated heel. What's to dislike? If they continue making Taker look like a whimp and tease wins with guys like RVD and Jericho, the blowoff will be HUGE if they actually deliver. Benoit, anyone? I hope people who liked this show actually use that little feedback button on the WWEG site. If they don't, it's possibly we could go back to the same crap we've been putting up with for eight months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 The constant references by JR about the fact that anything can happen in the WWE made the Title match finish obvious from a mile away. Judging by tonight, it seems as if The Undertaker is the Raw version of HHH(when an upper mid-card challenger beats him for the title, he only holds the belt for a few seconds only to give it back to him the same night). I thought that was stupid. And I hated how WWE made Raven look like a coward again by running away from Lawler(the first times he was booked like that in the WWF/WWE was during his early Hardcore title reigns in late 2000-early 2001.), it would have made more sense for Raven to be booked to win over Lawler to get his point across about Lawler forgetting about wrestling and make Raven look like a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Ok, storyline wise, the WWF did an ok job. Wrestling wise the matches were shit. The RVD-Taker match was good when RVD was on offense, terrible when Taker was taking over. Just let RVD run the whole friggin match. Would have been a whole lot better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Why is Flair helping Calloway? It makes little sense. HE BRUTALIZED HIS SON! WTF!? THIS is why I hate heels and faces. It makes things seem unrealistic and fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 21, 2002 They could've made the Dusty Finish a lot more convincing by letting Van Dam hit the Frog Splash. Did anybody think he'd actually win the WORLD TITLE with a Rolling Thunder? Nice move, but that NEVER wins a match. When they didn't have Van Dam hit the splash, I thought they might be saving it so he could win the match AGAIN, but UT just squashed him. Maybe saving the splash was designed to throw off the audience. In that case, I guess it worked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest chirs3 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Just talked it over with another Smarker, the whole "Why help the Undertaker" thing... I think it was just a rib on the "foot on the ropes" thing. He made Taker fight the title match earlier in the night, when Taker just wanted a non-title match, so there's still tension. That makes sense to me. And that finish was great - it got RVD over (so did his owning 'Taker for a while) and fooled quite a bit of people, while not making 'Taker the most ridiculous of transitional champs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Yeah. I was like, "Huh?" when ended up getting the pin off the Rolling Thunder. The real finish seemed to be VERY anti-climatic, in my opinion. The Dusty Finish in itself, MIGHT end up being good, unfortunately, I have very little faith in the WWE, so I fully expect them to start a UT-HHH feud on Smackdown, and completely forget the finish ever happened next week on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Booking wise it was great...if only (as others have said) the fake finish hadn't come out of nowhere. Other than that Well done. Flair got heat, Taker got heat, and RVD is a big step closer to the big time. I said it in another thread: This site flooded. 411 flooded. That means that WWE.com flooded. And they'll notice it. In a company starved for ratings...this should lead to a sustained RVD push. I said earlier that all I wanted out of this was a spot that looked like RVD had it won. I got that in spades. How many world champions has RVD pinned now while not winning the title? Taker now...Austin during Invasion, Jericho in a tag match after Vengeance, Rock was WCW champion when RVD beat him non-title...and I think he pinned Angle during his 2 week reign last year. All those wins over champions, and this WAS his 3rd title shot in the less than a year he has been in the company... ...maybe the WWE is testing to see what this guy can do. It certainly looks that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 21, 2002 I noticed nothing but praise for this Raw, which I dont totally get. Don't get me wrong, the 1st half was great, and nothing beats an Arn/Flair promo. But the 2nd half? I mean, the crowd was hot before the 30 minutes proceeding the ME, which included the NWO talking, Jerry Lawler not wearing a shirt, and two segments of caraoke. That certainly took the wind out of my sails. Maybe it's because I was flipping back and forth between Raw and the hockey game, I don't know. The RVD-UT match was good, but the finish would have been more dramatic if Rob hit the frog splash. He ain't winning the title on a setup move. By the way, does the Eddy-Austin fued mean that Stone Cold may be going for the IC belt? Midcard 3:16 http://www.americasguest.cjb.net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted May 21, 2002 RVD did indeed pin Kurt when he was champion. He did it on Smackdown, to give Austin a shot at the next RAW(where he returned and won back the belt). Maybe I just wasn't paying much attention, but it didn't seem like RVD was very over tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Booking wise it was great...if only (as others have said) the fake finish hadn't come out of nowhere. Other than that Well done. Flair got heat, Taker got heat, and RVD is a big step closer to the big time. I said it in another thread: This site flooded. 411 flooded. That means that WWE.com flooded. And they'll notice it. In a company starved for ratings...this should lead to a sustained RVD push. I said earlier that all I wanted out of this was a spot that looked like RVD had it won. I got that in spades. How many world champions has RVD pinned now while not winning the title? Taker now...Austin during Invasion, Jericho in a tag match after Vengeance, Rock was WCW champion when RVD beat him non-title...and I think he pinned Angle during his 2 week reign last year. All those wins over champions, and this WAS his 3rd title shot in the less than a year he has been in the company... ...maybe the WWE is testing to see what this guy can do. It certainly looks that way. I think RVD DID win the title... King: UT has won the Undisputed Title twice in less than 24 hours... Anyways, bps is right. This site WAS flooded... I could barely post during Raw. Great Raw tonight.. I want to see more of this. Now, this will either lead to a match with them at KotR or something else. Maybe UT will screw RVD in the Qualifying or something and thus the match (maybe even Main Event). One thing that bugs me... I HATE.. HATE LOGIC GAPS! Flair... complaining about ROPES?! If that's the case, than Austin would be #1 Contender, NWO would have beaten Austin/Bradshaw, Eddy might not have won last night... etc, etc. Oh well... can't get ALL you want. Thanks WWE for some actual ENTERTAINMENT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Maybe I just wasn't paying much attention, but it didn't seem like RVD was very over tonight. Umm.. Amy what show were YOU watching? When he first came out.. huge pop. (Second to Austin's) When he was getting beat by UT in the opening... huge RVD chants. When he did the 5-Star the crowd went beserk. In the match itself, I think the crowd was pretty dead at the beginning and picked up later in the match. A mild RVD chant could be heard. That's just me... *shrugs* Maybe my markness of RVD influenced this post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted May 21, 2002 "One thing that bugs me... I HATE.. HATE LOGIC GAPS! Flair... complaining about ROPES?! If that's the case, than Austin would be #1 Contender, NWO would have beaten Austin/Bradshaw, Eddy might not have won last night... etc, etc." Actually it makes sense given the past events. Flair has fucked up over the ropes thing before and admitted to making mistakes so now he wants to atone for them and do the "right thing". Of course, in this case it fits his heel role quite well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted May 21, 2002 He was over the first time...and his mini-promo while getting cleaned up popped the crowd... but as someone pointed out...the ME followed the nwo talking...a Lawler match and a long karaoke segment. The crowd reaction doesn't concern me at that point. What matters right now is RATINGS. If the overrun drew strong (which I have a sneaking suspiscion it did) the WWE may be forced to capitalize. Thats the difference between this and the Jericho fake switch...ratings weren't in the shitter like they are now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Well this was the best Raw in a long while. - Austin - Eddy should be good. I don't look at Austin being dropped, but more like Eddy being elevated (hopefully) - RVD - Taker was good, and hopefully RVD will finally get elevated. Did anyone else think that Hogan would come out and cost Taker the title? - The NWO acknowledged they were jokes and tried to make things right. I was hoping for them to finally turn Booker T. face but I don't think that will be too far off (although a big heel beatdown would've worked well there) - The Hardys went from jobbing to winning two matches in the same night (tainted, but still wins) but is there anywhere for them to go? They needed to be broken up more than any other team - No Bradshaw. Is his push being put on pause? - Nice to see Raven on Raw. The King going over by CO in his hometown is harmless. He deserved it too after the way Raven ripped into him. I was encouraged by this Raw. Hopefully Smackdown will be good as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted May 21, 2002 sounds like a great raw, and it seems that by rvd jobbing to eddy last night, he is finished with the IC title (but austin fureding with eddy, great match, but austin near the ic belt, wtf!) and headed towards the main event. only thing is, its smackdown's turn to have no.1 contender this month (if they remember the stip). though if the rumours were true, then the belt *could* be held up and the KotR winner wins it. that would allow rvd to go over without forgetting stips already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Umm.. Amy what show were YOU watching? Amy? Who are you!? I missed the first hour. Didn't hear a big pop for RVD when he came out for the match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted May 21, 2002 Lots of "Best RAW ever" praise out there. Impressive. I wouldn't go out of my way to say it was the cat's meow, but it was definitely the start of something good. Lots of plot development and storylines going on, which is always good. Not a whole lot of superlatvie wrestling, but at least they're laying the groundwork for new and refreshing stuff. As much as I hate Nash back (and that's an understatement), at least it will mean something when Booker T finally tells the nWold to fuck off. and then they can finally bury that dinosaur once and for all. "This was the most feared logo in our sport." I thought the wCw was... it being all pointy and everything.. That Raven commentary tease was just too much. Thanks for pulling my dick and then leaving me hanging, Vince and Co. I should have known better when the Hardyz/Hollywood Suckas (TM notJames ©2002) match lasted all of 40 seconds. And is it too much to ask not to have to put every hometown hero over, especially the non-over ones? (Yes, Jacqueline and Bradshaw... I'm looking right at you). Austin/Guererro in dueling drunken Karaoke? I'll pass... And did anyone really not see the Dusty finish coming? I'm actually happy they didn't hotshot the title, as much as it pains me that Taker's the champ. Give us all time to really buy RVD as a credible contender and we'll all flock back to the Fed. A good start on the road to recovery for the Fed... I hope... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 21, 2002 There's nothing wrong with wrestlers that are considered main eventers wrestling over the IC title. During the glory days of the IC it wasn't uncommon to see a guy on the main event level wrestling for it. Don't look at it as them lowering Austin just look at it as them elevating Eddy and the IC title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
