Horrible Raw Last night

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I would much rather see Angle/Shelton at SSlam than CCC/Shelton. Hell, they don't have to feud for the IC title. Have Shelton win the Angle Invitational and take it from there.

[cabbageboy 0]

Carlito isn't remotely as good as Piper. Piper wasn't the best technical wrestler but at least he could brawl all over the place. Carlito can't brawl, he can't do much aerial stuff, can't wrestle scientific....he fucking sucks. He's amusing on the mic, but I don't think if you're a truly bad in ring performer you can get pushed much further.

 

I had someone PM me a while back when I said I'd like to see a healthy RVD vs. Shelton. The PM was like "Shelton would have to take it down a huge amount to compensate for a bum like RVD." I was like WTF? Say what you will but have you seen Van Dam almost crash and burn with some dangerous spots the way Shelton has of late? I can assure you RVD could at least get a sorta fun match out of Carlito, even if it consisted of nothing more than Carlito being used as a crash test dummy for Van Dam's wild spots.

[zyn081 0]

 

Look at the lumberjacks, dont they normally have like 20 of them round the ring? There was 12 heels and then 7 faces came on down. That was like close to the entire locker room. Was there any really decent talent given the current state of booking. I dont see how you can compare TBS and CCC to Orton and Christain. Its pretty obvious whose better. The 3 other trades where pretty even. Look at the trade though. People traded to RAW were cut or given a real shitty gimmick.

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The way I look at it is this way -

 

Angle for Orton, fair trade, both are viable main eventers

TBS for Hassan, fair trade, both stink it up IMO

Christian for Carlito, fair trade - both have potential but are just kind of there right now

RVD for Benoit, seems fair to me also

 

Those trades didnt amount to shit on either side and were more a joke than anything since many got released, on both sides. The only people who have benefitted (or at least got airtime) since then is Chavo, Dupree, and Simon Dean.

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I twill look fair if you just stay pairing them off any old how. I look it at differently, on the basis of the image they portray:

 

Cena for Batista - fair trade

Angle for Benoit - fair trade

RVD for Orton - fair trade

TBS for Hassan - 1-0 for SD, TBS has been crap for quite a while now.

CCC for Christian - 2-0 for SD, ooo, another talk show host in exchange for a wrestler.

 

Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko have since been canned. What air time has Dupree got? Id rather have no air time than be doing what Chavo currently is. Danny has done the square root of nothing.

 

Regal stands out as a way better wrestler from all the people traded. Have you seen his match with Benoit before you post? Simon Dean and Stevie Richards are doing the bWo thing (its always there to be broken out). Candice > Hiroko. I forgot who else was traded to SD.

 

It doesnt look at all fair to me. Plus, SD recently got the Mexicools.

[AndrewTS 0]

Meanwhile on SMDN you have Batista cementing himself as champ with what will be a big win over JBL.  Benoit is likely to win the US title and feud with the Cabinet.  Orton is hurt but once back will likely feud with UT.  Christian is at least getting a decent push and can veer into either the US scene or the world title scene. 

 

Sad.

 

None of that makes me want to watch SD.

[RedJed 0]

 

Look at the lumberjacks, dont they normally have like 20 of them round the ring? There was 12 heels and then 7 faces came on down. That was like close to the entire locker room. Was there any really decent talent given the current state of booking. I dont see how you can compare TBS and CCC to Orton and Christain. Its pretty obvious whose better. The 3 other trades where pretty even. Look at the trade though. People traded to RAW were cut or given a real shitty gimmick.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

The way I look at it is this way -

 

Angle for Orton, fair trade, both are viable main eventers

TBS for Hassan, fair trade, both stink it up IMO

Christian for Carlito, fair trade - both have potential but are just kind of there right now

RVD for Benoit, seems fair to me also

 

Those trades didnt amount to shit on either side and were more a joke than anything since many got released, on both sides. The only people who have benefitted (or at least got airtime) since then is Chavo, Dupree, and Simon Dean.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I twill look fair if you just stay pairing them off any old how. I look it at differently, on the basis of the image they portray:

 

Cena for Batista - fair trade

Angle for Benoit - fair trade

RVD for Orton - fair trade

TBS for Hassan - 1-0 for SD, TBS has been crap for quite a while now.

CCC for Christian - 2-0 for SD, ooo, another talk show host in exchange for a wrestler.

 

Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko have since been canned. What air time has Dupree got? Id rather have no air time than be doing what Chavo currently is. Danny has done the square root of nothing.

 

Regal stands out as a way better wrestler from all the people traded. Have you seen his match with Benoit before you post? Simon Dean and Stevie Richards are doing the bWo thing (its always there to be broken out). Candice > Hiroko. I forgot who else was traded to SD.

 

It doesnt look at all fair to me. Plus, SD recently got the Mexicools.

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I still think you are comparing apples to oranges when you are looking at the trades/picks. Carlito and Christian are virtually the same deal, they get over on the mic, but creative havent rushed a super push to each, even though we're supposed to be taking each seriously I guess. By most, Carlito against Christian is a fair trade. Hassan is better than the Big Show how? Or vice versa? They both fucking stink up any match they are in, IMO. I think you'll see Hassan is going to flounder on Smackdown (especially as a main event heel they envision) big time. And for that matter, so will Big Show on Raw. Regal and Dean have been on Velocity once. BWO was on once. Chavo has been on Raw a few times and Dupree had a Raw match last week. NONE of those guys that came through via the trade are getting over really, with the exception of Regal if they follow through with him (and yes I saw that match with Benoit, but what does that have to do with anything?), which they probably wont. Sans with the BWO - that very well might have been a one shot deal since Simon Dean is now back to that character. I'm surprised they didnt follow up with them last Smackdown.

 

Ultimately if Benjamin moved to Smackdown, it wouldnt have mattered in the big scheme of one brand better than another. It appears Raw is always given the preferential treatment with the big angles and storylines on there - EX: Michaels/Hogan, Edge/Hardy, etc, etc. Generally speaking I think the main event to upper midcard is much better on Raw than Smackdown, lower card stuff like CW division and tag stuff is probably generally better on Smackdown than the lower card stuff Raw has, such as Masters' bit, etc.

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And I gotta disagree with Angle-plex. Shelton doesn't blow spots that badly or often --- and the only time he goes overboard with spots is when he has to do all of the work in a match alone. Which he has to with Carlito.

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Shelton hardly ever blew spots before this awful series with Carlito began, but most of his slips have been his fault. Why he's starting to do this now I have no idea.

[Epic Reine 0]

Ever notice how all of Carlito's matches are the exact same thing?

 

Man gets beats up for 10 minutes straight while getting some punches in. He then capitalizes on a face's mistake and cheats to win by either pulling the tights or putting his feet on the ropes.

[zyn081 0]

 

Look at the lumberjacks, dont they normally have like 20 of them round the ring? There was 12 heels and then 7 faces came on down. That was like close to the entire locker room. Was there any really decent talent given the current state of booking. I dont see how you can compare TBS and CCC to Orton and Christain. Its pretty obvious whose better. The 3 other trades where pretty even. Look at the trade though. People traded to RAW were cut or given a real shitty gimmick.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

The way I look at it is this way -

 

Angle for Orton, fair trade, both are viable main eventers

TBS for Hassan, fair trade, both stink it up IMO

Christian for Carlito, fair trade - both have potential but are just kind of there right now

RVD for Benoit, seems fair to me also

 

Those trades didnt amount to shit on either side and were more a joke than anything since many got released, on both sides. The only people who have benefitted (or at least got airtime) since then is Chavo, Dupree, and Simon Dean.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I twill look fair if you just stay pairing them off any old how. I look it at differently, on the basis of the image they portray:

 

Cena for Batista - fair trade

Angle for Benoit - fair trade

RVD for Orton - fair trade

TBS for Hassan - 1-0 for SD, TBS has been crap for quite a while now.

CCC for Christian - 2-0 for SD, ooo, another talk show host in exchange for a wrestler.

 

Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko have since been canned. What air time has Dupree got? Id rather have no air time than be doing what Chavo currently is. Danny has done the square root of nothing.

 

Regal stands out as a way better wrestler from all the people traded. Have you seen his match with Benoit before you post? Simon Dean and Stevie Richards are doing the bWo thing (its always there to be broken out). Candice > Hiroko. I forgot who else was traded to SD.

 

It doesnt look at all fair to me. Plus, SD recently got the Mexicools.

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I still think you are comparing apples to oranges when you are looking at the trades/picks. Carlito and Christian are virtually the same deal, they get over on the mic, but creative havent rushed a super push to each, even though we're supposed to be taking each seriously I guess. By most, Carlito against Christian is a fair trade. Hassan is better than the Big Show how? Or vice versa? They both fucking stink up any match they are in, IMO. I think you'll see Hassan is going to flounder on Smackdown (especially as a main event heel they envision) big time. And for that matter, so will Big Show on Raw. Regal and Dean have been on Velocity once. BWO was on once. Chavo has been on Raw a few times and Dupree had a Raw match last week. NONE of those guys that came through via the trade are getting over really, with the exception of Regal if they follow through with him (and yes I saw that match with Benoit, but what does that have to do with anything?), which they probably wont. Sans with the BWO - that very well might have been a one shot deal since Simon Dean is now back to that character. I'm surprised they didnt follow up with them last Smackdown.

 

Ultimately if Benjamin moved to Smackdown, it wouldnt have mattered in the big scheme of one brand better than another. It appears Raw is always given the preferential treatment with the big angles and storylines on there - EX: Michaels/Hogan, Edge/Hardy, etc, etc. Generally speaking I think the main event to upper midcard is much better on Raw than Smackdown, lower card stuff like CW division and tag stuff is probably generally better on Smackdown than the lower card stuff Raw has, such as Masters' bit, etc.

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And your comparing an apple to a car.

 

CCC and Christain both get over in the ring, but Christain is a better wrestler than CCC. Hell, does CCC know how to really wrestle properly? I think its a bit foolish to compare Christains ring work (which could be better) to CCCs (which is flushable). And we can only talk about what they have done in a WWE ring, the rest is out of the window since it isnt going to change much what happens in the WWE.

 

Id rather have somebody who hasnt sucked several times over in the form of Hassan, than somebody who has a tried and tested history of blowing (i.e. TBS), which shows since 'Creative' has jack shit for him apart from play his size and weight thing. Ohhhh, when was the last time he did that?

 

It doesnt matter how many times Regal, Dean, the bWo (maybe cause they would have overdone it since the focus is on Batista and JBL?), your mamas pet chiwawa, Angle-plex's hat, Mr Choco's left nut et al has been on TV, they are still with a particular brand and have the potential to be used. They have the potential of running Benoit-Regal and Dr Jackel and Mr Hyde in the form of Hollywood Nova and Simon Dean. Kerwin White and Dupree are blah blah blah crap. Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko were canned fo crying out loud. What can you do with a wrestler who has been fired?

[Black Lushus 0]

Ever notice how all of Carlito's matches are the exact same thing?

 

Man gets beats up for 10 minutes straight while getting some punches in. He then capitalizes on a face's mistake and cheats to win by either pulling the tights or putting his feet on the ropes.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

if wrestling were real, that strategy would be considered brilliant...but since it's supposed to be entertainment, it's boring as fuck...

[The Niggardly King 0]

I'd rather watch Show vs Masters vs Snitsky at Summerslam than another Benjamin/Carlito match.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

It's not that I don't like Carlito or Benjamin, but their matches have seemed kind of sloppy and slow. Is Benjamin legit injured right now? Because it seems like he is not moving quite the same lately, and has nearly blown a lot of spots in the last couple matches...

 

I think one major problem with RAW right now is that their is no good top program. The Cena/Jericho feud feels very forced and thrown together. Jericho suddenly turned heel, deciding out of the blue, seemingly, that he wanted the WWE title. Now they are feuding over who is the better musician, I guess.

 

I'm not buying Cena as the top face on RAW at all. I think he fit in much better on Smackdown. I understand he was over and everything, but it's like there was no transition when he was drafted to RAW in the lottery. He just showed up and now suddenly we're suppoed to treat him the same as Batista. It would have been nice if they had done some backstage vignettes showing Cena getting acquainted with the RAW guys, or maybe done some kind of feud where a couple RAW heels don't want Cena on their show, rather than just making Cena and Batista seem completely interchangable.

 

Again, the angle between Bischoff and Cena seems VERY forced. Last week they are arguing on camera, but we're not told why. Just vague things like "Cena doesn't want to play by the rules...he wants to do things his way." We're never actually told what Bischoff wants from Cena. Then in a very Austin-ish moment last week, Bischoff gets the F-U from Cena. Now Bischoff wants to screw Cena out of the title...which doesn't make sense logically because Cena should be a money machine in the eyes of Bischoff's character. Hey, 1998 called...

 

The only thing on RAW that has me even remotely interested is Matt Hardy's return. Now, I've never been a big Matt Hardy mark. I did like him when he first started his heel "Version 1" run on Smackdown. However, I wasn't crying when he was fired (though I did question the reasoning behind it). However, I think the angle with Edge has been done quite well so far...it has shoot elements without someone coming out and yelling "this is a shoot!" like you would've seen in ECW years ago. I hope they keep up the random Matt Hardy run ins without the announcers acknowledging him for a week or two...I also like the idea someone had of making a Edge vs Matt Hardy "unsanctioned" match at Summerslam. Really make it seem like Hardy is an oustider, not signed or endorsed by WWE at all. I think it could make both guys into main eventers if done right. It sort of has elements of Bret Hart vs HBK, except that both guys are only midcarders at this point.

 

Whew, long rant, sorry.

[RedJed 0]

 

Look at the lumberjacks, dont they normally have like 20 of them round the ring? There was 12 heels and then 7 faces came on down. That was like close to the entire locker room. Was there any really decent talent given the current state of booking. I dont see how you can compare TBS and CCC to Orton and Christain. Its pretty obvious whose better. The 3 other trades where pretty even. Look at the trade though. People traded to RAW were cut or given a real shitty gimmick.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

The way I look at it is this way -

 

Angle for Orton, fair trade, both are viable main eventers

TBS for Hassan, fair trade, both stink it up IMO

Christian for Carlito, fair trade - both have potential but are just kind of there right now

RVD for Benoit, seems fair to me also

 

Those trades didnt amount to shit on either side and were more a joke than anything since many got released, on both sides. The only people who have benefitted (or at least got airtime) since then is Chavo, Dupree, and Simon Dean.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I twill look fair if you just stay pairing them off any old how. I look it at differently, on the basis of the image they portray:

 

Cena for Batista - fair trade

Angle for Benoit - fair trade

RVD for Orton - fair trade

TBS for Hassan - 1-0 for SD, TBS has been crap for quite a while now.

CCC for Christian - 2-0 for SD, ooo, another talk show host in exchange for a wrestler.

 

Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko have since been canned. What air time has Dupree got? Id rather have no air time than be doing what Chavo currently is. Danny has done the square root of nothing.

 

Regal stands out as a way better wrestler from all the people traded. Have you seen his match with Benoit before you post? Simon Dean and Stevie Richards are doing the bWo thing (its always there to be broken out). Candice > Hiroko. I forgot who else was traded to SD.

 

It doesnt look at all fair to me. Plus, SD recently got the Mexicools.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I still think you are comparing apples to oranges when you are looking at the trades/picks. Carlito and Christian are virtually the same deal, they get over on the mic, but creative havent rushed a super push to each, even though we're supposed to be taking each seriously I guess. By most, Carlito against Christian is a fair trade. Hassan is better than the Big Show how? Or vice versa? They both fucking stink up any match they are in, IMO. I think you'll see Hassan is going to flounder on Smackdown (especially as a main event heel they envision) big time. And for that matter, so will Big Show on Raw. Regal and Dean have been on Velocity once. BWO was on once. Chavo has been on Raw a few times and Dupree had a Raw match last week. NONE of those guys that came through via the trade are getting over really, with the exception of Regal if they follow through with him (and yes I saw that match with Benoit, but what does that have to do with anything?), which they probably wont. Sans with the BWO - that very well might have been a one shot deal since Simon Dean is now back to that character. I'm surprised they didnt follow up with them last Smackdown.

 

Ultimately if Benjamin moved to Smackdown, it wouldnt have mattered in the big scheme of one brand better than another. It appears Raw is always given the preferential treatment with the big angles and storylines on there - EX: Michaels/Hogan, Edge/Hardy, etc, etc. Generally speaking I think the main event to upper midcard is much better on Raw than Smackdown, lower card stuff like CW division and tag stuff is probably generally better on Smackdown than the lower card stuff Raw has, such as Masters' bit, etc.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

And your comparing an apple to a car.

 

CCC and Christain both get over in the ring, but Christain is a better wrestler than CCC. Hell, does CCC know how to really wrestle properly? I think its a bit foolish to compare Christains ring work (which could be better) to CCCs (which is flushable). And we can only talk about what they have done in a WWE ring, the rest is out of the window since it isnt going to change much what happens in the WWE.

 

Id rather have somebody who hasnt sucked several times over in the form of Hassan, than somebody who has a tried and tested history of blowing (i.e. TBS), which shows since 'Creative' has jack shit for him apart from play his size and weight thing. Ohhhh, when was the last time he did that?

 

It doesnt matter how many times Regal, Dean, the bWo (maybe cause they would have overdone it since the focus is on Batista and JBL?), your mamas pet chiwawa, Angle-plex's hat, Mr Choco's left nut et al has been on TV, they are still with a particular brand and have the potential to be used. They have the potential of running Benoit-Regal and Dr Jackel and Mr Hyde in the form of Hollywood Nova and Simon Dean. Kerwin White and Dupree are blah blah blah crap. Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko were canned fo crying out loud. What can you do with a wrestler who has been fired?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Apples to car? Huh?

 

First off, I'm not sure if I'm right or not, but I think we are comparing the sides from two different perspectives. You're talking about future potential where I am talking about what will seemingly be the likelihood of how little or much someone will be used in the brand specific.

 

Bottom line is this - Christian and Carlito, to me, have the same level of potential, which I'm sure you disagree with, but I think long term both could be upper level to main event stars. I never really compared their ring work at all but now I will - Christian is still not knocking anything out of the ball park work wise, and neither is Carlito. If anything both are going to get over with their mic work and in due time, and with the right booking, I think they will get over around the same, dare I say Carlito even more because I think the company is much higher on him and he doesnt have that past going against him that Christian has. In fact WWE had a chance to do something decent with him (Christian) just recently but started jobbing him out on Raw and then he goes to Smackdown and in his first match gets a shitty treatment by having him job out like a chump to JBL in that elimination match.

 

I dont see when Hassan HASNT sucked - he's never had a memorable match, even fucked up against Benoit, and generally just has dropped the ball on a long term plan they had to really build him up. I think of him as a pet project of nothing more than cheap heat from his racial shit, and nothing more, akin to a Suzuki. Fuck, they were going to give him Austin one on one, and instead tried the Hogan route, that didnt draw, so then they gave up on the Austin idea. The guy can't work a solid match, cuts nice cheap promos that arent sustaiable heat (I might be eating crow on this point in a few months) and generally is just not over. Show at least gets some notable pops and is a semi-household name to some fans.

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

Hassan is IRC 24, that means he still has 20 frigging years to improve in the ring. You don't need to be good in the ring to be the WWE Champion, to be credible. Just look who the Champions are right now, Batista is your typical hoss and Cena has like 6 moves but they are both good champions because of the build-up. Hassan cuts DAMN GOOD promos, one of the best talkers in the WWE today. He makes sense and the crowd doesn't like that. When his music hits the crowd starts booing heavily, that's no cheap heat, the really hate him. Look he might suck now but I see potential in him. Only thing that will keep him away from the WWE Title is his gimmick of being Arab-American...

[RedJed 0]

Hassan is IRC 24, that means he still has 20 frigging years to improve in the ring. You don't need to be good in the ring to be the WWE Champion, to be credible. Just look who the Champions are right now, Batista is your typical hoss and Cena has like 6 moves but they are both good champions because of the build-up. Hassan cuts DAMN GOOD promos, one of the best talkers in the WWE today. He makes sense and the crowd doesn't like that. When his music hits the crowd starts booing heavily, that's no cheap heat, the really hate him. Look he might suck now but I see potential in him. Only thing that will keep him away from the WWE Title is his gimmick of being Arab-American...

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You said it right there, he has to be credible, and he's far from it at this point, partly because of the way he's booked (why in the fuck did he do a weak ass job to Cena on the way out of Raw is beyond me) and part, I honestly believe, just because he doesnt have that charisma or star power to amount to anything beyond the midcard. Something is definately missing - its more than just the weak ass workrate. I agree that the stereotypical gimmick is actually holding him back as it generates CHEAP UNSUSTAINABLE HEAT (I really dont know what you are watching). If fans really hated him, they would pay money to see his ass getting kicked and they didnt really do so when they paired him off with Hogan, did he?

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I was the one in the Raw thread commenting about the sillyness of the rosters, and with that, my idea has always been (at least for the last few months) to put the tag team division on Raw and the Cruiserweight division on Smackdown.

 

By moving some people around and making a few changes, there could be two legit divisions.

 

For the Tag Division:

 

MNM

Heartbreakers

Superheroes

The Bashams

Two of the Mexicools (probably Crazy + Psychosis)

Sylvian and Rene Version 2

BWO (Stevie & Nova)

 

There's seven teams, and they can be moved around face/heel as needed.

 

For the Cruisers...

 

Paul London

Funaki

Rey Mysterio (also could be used in the US division if needed)

Nunzio

Juvy

Tajiri

Chavo/Kerwin

S2H (might as well job him out a bit here and there if needed)

 

That's about 8 guys, and they can always bring in more if they need it. I personally would probably can S2H for CM Punk coming up or something, but whatever.

 

So there you go, two deeper divisions seperated where before there was nothing. Sure, tag matches could still be done for storyline purposes on Smackdown, but the belts would be for Raw. If a team on SD got the nerve up to challenge, they could jump and stay there, maybe with the clause that they have to go back to SD if they don't win the belts. Something, anything is better than the crappy divisions we have now.

[Jericholic82 0]

I maintain that they try to deliberately make Raw suck when HHH is not on the show.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks Raw got the better end of the draft...Cena isn't doing shit, just messing around with Jericho in a feud that no one thinks Jericho can win.  Carlito is doing his lame HTM routine and getting DQed and counted out.  Angle is still doing the Challenge, and the Big Show is now involved with Chris Masters.  Van Dam is injured, who knows what he'll do when he gets back.

 

Meanwhile on SMDN you have Batista cementing himself as champ with what will be a big win over JBL.  Benoit is likely to win the US title and feud with the Cabinet.  Orton is hurt but once back will likely feud with UT.  Christian is at least getting a decent push and can veer into either the US scene or the world title scene. 

 

Smackdown is thus far doing a much better job of incorporating the new talent.  Raw meanwhile has too many guys doing the same schtick:  Angle and Masters doing challenges, Jericho and Carlito doing interview segments, etc.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A big win over JBL? How is that? JBL has jobbed in title matches at two straight PPVS.

 

EDIT: Wait I guess Since JBl is the top Heel on SD it would help establish Tista on SD, but cmon he just beat the unbeatble HHH in 3 straight ppv title

[zyn081 0]

 

Look at the lumberjacks, dont they normally have like 20 of them round the ring? There was 12 heels and then 7 faces came on down. That was like close to the entire locker room. Was there any really decent talent given the current state of booking. I dont see how you can compare TBS and CCC to Orton and Christain. Its pretty obvious whose better. The 3 other trades where pretty even. Look at the trade though. People traded to RAW were cut or given a real shitty gimmick.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

The way I look at it is this way -

 

Angle for Orton, fair trade, both are viable main eventers

TBS for Hassan, fair trade, both stink it up IMO

Christian for Carlito, fair trade - both have potential but are just kind of there right now

RVD for Benoit, seems fair to me also

 

Those trades didnt amount to shit on either side and were more a joke than anything since many got released, on both sides. The only people who have benefitted (or at least got airtime) since then is Chavo, Dupree, and Simon Dean.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I twill look fair if you just stay pairing them off any old how. I look it at differently, on the basis of the image they portray:

 

Cena for Batista - fair trade

Angle for Benoit - fair trade

RVD for Orton - fair trade

TBS for Hassan - 1-0 for SD, TBS has been crap for quite a while now.

CCC for Christian - 2-0 for SD, ooo, another talk show host in exchange for a wrestler.

 

Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko have since been canned. What air time has Dupree got? Id rather have no air time than be doing what Chavo currently is. Danny has done the square root of nothing.

 

Regal stands out as a way better wrestler from all the people traded. Have you seen his match with Benoit before you post? Simon Dean and Stevie Richards are doing the bWo thing (its always there to be broken out). Candice > Hiroko. I forgot who else was traded to SD.

 

It doesnt look at all fair to me. Plus, SD recently got the Mexicools.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I still think you are comparing apples to oranges when you are looking at the trades/picks. Carlito and Christian are virtually the same deal, they get over on the mic, but creative havent rushed a super push to each, even though we're supposed to be taking each seriously I guess. By most, Carlito against Christian is a fair trade. Hassan is better than the Big Show how? Or vice versa? They both fucking stink up any match they are in, IMO. I think you'll see Hassan is going to flounder on Smackdown (especially as a main event heel they envision) big time. And for that matter, so will Big Show on Raw. Regal and Dean have been on Velocity once. BWO was on once. Chavo has been on Raw a few times and Dupree had a Raw match last week. NONE of those guys that came through via the trade are getting over really, with the exception of Regal if they follow through with him (and yes I saw that match with Benoit, but what does that have to do with anything?), which they probably wont. Sans with the BWO - that very well might have been a one shot deal since Simon Dean is now back to that character. I'm surprised they didnt follow up with them last Smackdown.

 

Ultimately if Benjamin moved to Smackdown, it wouldnt have mattered in the big scheme of one brand better than another. It appears Raw is always given the preferential treatment with the big angles and storylines on there - EX: Michaels/Hogan, Edge/Hardy, etc, etc. Generally speaking I think the main event to upper midcard is much better on Raw than Smackdown, lower card stuff like CW division and tag stuff is probably generally better on Smackdown than the lower card stuff Raw has, such as Masters' bit, etc.

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And your comparing an apple to a car.

 

CCC and Christain both get over in the ring, but Christain is a better wrestler than CCC. Hell, does CCC know how to really wrestle properly? I think its a bit foolish to compare Christains ring work (which could be better) to CCCs (which is flushable). And we can only talk about what they have done in a WWE ring, the rest is out of the window since it isnt going to change much what happens in the WWE.

 

Id rather have somebody who hasnt sucked several times over in the form of Hassan, than somebody who has a tried and tested history of blowing (i.e. TBS), which shows since 'Creative' has jack shit for him apart from play his size and weight thing. Ohhhh, when was the last time he did that?

 

It doesnt matter how many times Regal, Dean, the bWo (maybe cause they would have overdone it since the focus is on Batista and JBL?), your mamas pet chiwawa, Angle-plex's hat, Mr Choco's left nut et al has been on TV, they are still with a particular brand and have the potential to be used. They have the potential of running Benoit-Regal and Dr Jackel and Mr Hyde in the form of Hollywood Nova and Simon Dean. Kerwin White and Dupree are blah blah blah crap. Jindrak, Kenzo and Hiroko were canned fo crying out loud. What can you do with a wrestler who has been fired?

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Apples to car? Huh?

 

First off, I'm not sure if I'm right or not, but I think we are comparing the sides from two different perspectives. You're talking about future potential where I am talking about what will seemingly be the likelihood of how little or much someone will be used in the brand specific.

 

Bottom line is this - Christian and Carlito, to me, have the same level of potential, which I'm sure you disagree with, but I think long term both could be upper level to main event stars. I never really compared their ring work at all but now I will - Christian is still not knocking anything out of the ball park work wise, and neither is Carlito. If anything both are going to get over with their mic work and in due time, and with the right booking, I think they will get over around the same, dare I say Carlito even more because I think the company is much higher on him and he doesnt have that past going against him that Christian has. In fact WWE had a chance to do something decent with him (Christian) just recently but started jobbing him out on Raw and then he goes to Smackdown and in his first match gets a shitty treatment by having him job out like a chump to JBL in that elimination match.

 

I dont see when Hassan HASNT sucked - he's never had a memorable match, even fucked up against Benoit, and generally just has dropped the ball on a long term plan they had to really build him up. I think of him as a pet project of nothing more than cheap heat from his racial shit, and nothing more, akin to a Suzuki. Fuck, they were going to give him Austin one on one, and instead tried the Hogan route, that didnt draw, so then they gave up on the Austin idea. The guy can't work a solid match, cuts nice cheap promos that arent sustaiable heat (I might be eating crow on this point in a few months) and generally is just not over. Show at least gets some notable pops and is a semi-household name to some fans.

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No, Im talking about the product based on what Im seeing at the moment. Your talking about the likelihood of use.

 

Shelton was the MVP of the 'draft' last year, despite his being on the entertainment brand.

 

To me, RAW have just done a copy & paste job of last week's show and changed minor things for this week. And it still sucked.

 

SD can go a number of places. The ME scene is more entertaining, what with Batista, JBL, Hassan, UT, Benoit, Orton, etc...

 

RAW looks spread very thin right now.

 

CCC has shown me nothing that implies he can go in a WWE ring. I dont know about you, but I see Christain as being in a better position right now.

 

Hassan's loss on RAW has pratically been forgotten, so that hasnt tainted him in any way. TBS is BORING.

 

Why 'draft' both Shelton and Benoit to SD to fued when they could have just both stayed where they were and fueded on RAW?