Campaign 2008

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Guys, thank our Pagan gods that Marney is gone, now we can go back to circle-jerking to a B.O. Hussein poster.

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Guys, thank our Pagan gods that Marney is gone, now we can go back to circle-jerking to a B.O. Hussein poster.

 

Quiet, boy.

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Q? Please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_and_Not_U

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(see above)

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/2...4269/526/499856

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I'm not even going to touch that.

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Okay, that's fine, but you're completely missing the crux of the argument, Jorge.

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Bullshit. Everyone with half a brain knows that's a complete fabrication.

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I take offense.

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Hm... good point.

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Marney is welcome back here, but if she doesn't want to come back, I can't blame her.

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Yeah, she was being thoroughly and consistently mauled on every single point and why would anyone want to continue in that role? Of course, you agree with her well-researched take on a certain candidate so you probably think she was really beating all of us whiny liberals.

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Via Drudge, the Hillary campaign's internal polling shows an 11 point lead in Pennsylvania. We might just get an even bigger government than Bush Jr yet!

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I'm not sure I follow you.

 

Of course she's gonna win PA. That was never in any real doubt...

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It was sarcasm, but this would be the fourth time that Obama could conceivably finish the thing and doesn't. That is Hillary's one playing card left.

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This shits finished.

 

What, is the DNC going to disgust the young people and the african american vote to appease the candidate losing in the polls?

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This is the Democratic party we're talking about. If they see an opportunity to blow an election, they'll gleefully grab hold.

 

Hillary is the Ed Muskie/Hubert Humphrey of this campaign. She is in the role smiled upon by the Democratic establishment. The longer this drags on, the dumber the media gets re: Obama's reverend, lapel pin, etc, the more times she can say "Obama doesn't win the big ones!", the more desperately the old-guard of the party will cling to their past. While none of this gurantees Hillary a win, it does pose a major problem for Obama in that it extends the race (helps McCain, too) and allows doubts about his November chances to solidify.

 

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And why is major change an idea frowned so angilly upon by a longstanding politcal party establishment? If problems are actually solved, the fear with these people is that there would be no reason for those people to come out and vote the next time around. Saying you're for universal health care, failing miserably, then blaming it on a right-wing conspiracy is much more beneficial to a machine/establishment politician than being for something and actually getting it done.

 

This goes for both parties, by the way. Had Goldwater actually been elected and reduced the size of the government in the mid-60s, what would the big talking point for the GOP be the next time around?

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As far as the "Hillary won all these more important states" argument goes, does anyone really think--in the year 2008--the Republicans have any chance of carrying New York, California, Massachessetts, or New Jersey, regardless of who the nominee is? Or that the Democrats have a chance in hell of winning Texas? The only big states in play that Hillary won were Ohio and Florida. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the states Hillary has won would go Republican around the same time George W. Bush wins a Nobel Peace Prize.

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You forgot Poland Michigan.

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Given the circumstances surrounding the Michigan primary, only to a Clinton would a Michigan primary victory be part of a rationale to give her the nomination.

 

Another news dispatch from Clinton-land...

 

Clinton uses Pearl Harbor, bin Laden images in new ad

Posted: 06:00 PM ET

 

Clinton is launching a new ad that includes images of Osama bin Laden

(CNN) — With only one day left until voters in Pennsylvania head to the polls, Hillary Clinton launched a television ad there that includes images from the attacks on Pearl Harbor, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Osama Bin Laden.

 

"It’s the toughest job in the world," a narrator states in the 30-second spot. "You need to be ready for anything – especially now, with two wars, oil prices skyrocketing, and an economy in crisis.

 

"Harry Truman said it best – if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Who do you think has what it takes?"

 

That comment appears to echo Clinton's recent criticisms of Obama for expressing disapproval of the ABC News debate last week during which the Illinois senator was asked several pointed questions.

 

“Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures you face inside the White House,” Clinton said Friday. “In fact, when the going gets tough, you just can’t walk away because we’re going to have some very tough decisions that we have to make. I think we need a president who can take whatever comes your way.”

 

Bill Clinton also weighed in last week, saying, "This is contact sport if you don't want to play keep your uniform off."

 

In a conference call with reporters, Clinton strategist Geoff Garin characterized the new spot as a positive one.

 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ages-in-new-ad/

 

Hillary Clinton is now trying to argue that complaining about debate questions or your treatment by the media shows you don't have what it takes to be president. Her campaign says that ad that links this argument to Osama bin Laden and Pearl Harbor is a positive ad.

 

WHAT FUCKING PARALLEL UNIVERSE DO THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN?!?!?!

 

As if someone can't just go to youtube and find her complaining.

 

 

What a fucking hypocrite! She can't even answer a regular person's questions without whining and crying.

 

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Given the circumstances surrounding the Michigan primary, only to a Clinton would a Michigan primary victory be part of a rationale to give her the nomination.

The exact same thing could be said about Florida, but you mentioned it in the same breath as Ohio.

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Given the circumstances surrounding the Michigan primary, only to a Clinton would a Michigan primary victory be part of a rationale to give her the nomination.

The exact same thing could be said about Florida, but you mentioned it in the same breath as Ohio.

Fair point.

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...something just doesn't feel right when we're getting along.

 

You socialist union lapdog!

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Grizzled politicians haven't really figured out the Youtube yet. I'd give it a few more years before those of Hillary Clinton's mold fully realize that being mindlessly and completely dishonest on the stump is no longer a viable campaign activity.

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As someone once said (I forget the name), "Hillary lies. Obama is a lie."

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...something just doesn't feel right when we're getting along.

 

You socialist union lapdog!

 

I still love yah

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I still love yah

I meant Y2J. <sniffs> There's only one weak-kneed pansy-ass pacifist lefty traitor for me.

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story of my life

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Now I know why Marney is backing Hillary...

 

Clinton warns Iran of nuke response

Senator: ‘Massive retaliation’ for attack on Israel would likely include NATO

MSNBC

updated 8:07 p.m. CT, Mon., April. 21, 2008

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.

 

Clinton’s remarks, made in an interview on MSNBC’s “Countdown With Keith Olbermann,” clarified a statement she made last week in a Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia. In that debate, Clinton, D-N.Y., said an Iranian attack on Israel would bring “massive retaliation,” without defining what the phrase meant.

 

In the interview Monday, Clinton affirmed that she would warn Iran’s leaders that “their use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States.”

 

She said U.S. allies in the Middle East were being “intimidated and bullied into submission by Iran,” raising the prospect of an “incredibly destabilizing” arms race in the region.

 

“I can imagine that they would be rushing to obtain nuclear weapons themselves” if Iran were to develop a nuclear arsenal, she said.

 

Clinton said it was vital that the United States create a new “security umbrella” to reassure Israel and its other allies in the region that they would not be threatened by Iran. She said she would tell them that “if you were the subject of an unprovoked nuclear attack by Iran, the United States, and hopefully our NATO allies, would respond to that.”

 

Clinton seeks tougher profile than Obama

Clinton’s hinting at a nuclear option last week set off a wave of commentary in political circles that she was seeking to position herself as a hawk as the primary campaign winds toward an end. Her opponent for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, has said that he would not rule out any options if Iran were to become a nuclear power, but he has not explicitly said he would be willing use nuclear weapons.

 

Clinton’s remarks reflected the theme of her latest advertising in Pennsylvania, where Democratic voters go to the polls Tuesday with analysts in both camps saying she must win the state’s primary if she is to remain a credible candidate.

 

 

Obama leads Clinton by 1,655-1,513 among delegates won in primaries and caucuses, according to NBC News’ count, while she has the advantage, 262-238, among superdelegates, the party officials who attend the convention by virtue of their positions. But Clinton leads in Pennsylvania by 5 to 7 percentage points in most tracking polls released Sunday.

 

Clinton’s new ad says that only she has the experience and toughness to confront the threat of global terrorism, using a picture of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in an echo of Republican attacks against Democratic Senate candidates in 2004.

 

Asked by Olbermann if the use of bin Laden in the ad was “waving the bloody shirt,” she said she was not indulging in Republican-style fear-mongering against Obama, who has been the subject of false rumors that he is Muslim.

 

“The fact is the next president will be sworn in at a time of very, very difficult world conditions,” Clinton said. “There’s nothing at all, in any way, inappropriate in saying look, presidents face the unexpected all the time. We don’t know what the next president will face.”

 

She said the Democratic nominee was sure to face such attacks in the fall campaign, and “we’re going to have to go toe to toe with John McCain on national security. We ought to get real about some of the big issues were going to face.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/

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The Hillary ad...

 

 

Not as bad as some of the crap that was ran in 2006, but still...

 

In other news:

McCain camp says Hamas wants Obama

Posted: 03:25 PM ET

 

The McCain campaign says he would be tougher on Hamas.

(CNN) — John McCain’s campaign sent supporters a fundraising e-mail Friday that claims Hamas approves of Democrat Barack Obama’s foreign policy vision, and is hoping for his victory this fall.

 

“Barack Obama's foreign policy plans have even won him praise from Hamas leaders,” writes McCain deputy campaign manager Christian Ferry. “Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Hamas Prime Minister said, ‘We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election. He has a vision to change America.’”

 

The McCain fundraising e-mail says Obama’s stands have earned him “kind words” from Hamas. “John McCain's foreign policy provides a stark contrast to the policies of Barack Obama,” writes Ferry. “While Senator Obama would surrender in Iraq and hold talks with the Iranian regime, John McCain will never surrender in the struggle with Islamic extremists. Please join our campaign today by making a generous donation of $50, $100, $250, $500, $1,000 or $2,300.”

 

 

In response to earlier comments by McCain over Obama’s position on former President Jimmy Carter’s meeting with Hamas – when the Arizona senator said that “Senator Obama does not have the experience to make the right judgment as to how to deal with terrorist organizations, obviously” and that he approved of the dialogue – the Obama campaign said that the Democratic presidential hopeful did not condone the former president’s decision.

 

Obama supporter Rep. Robert Wexler responded to the McCain fundraising e-mail Friday. "John McCain likes to talk about the civil campaign he plans to run, and yet today he has engaged in a shameful, divisive, and cynical kind of politics that he pretends to reject — all in reckless pursuit of campaign dollars," said Wexler, calling the message "empty tough talk and divisive fear mongering."

 

"We call on Senator McCain to reject this embarrassing and outrageous tone, and to join with Barack Obama in calling for an America that is united in its determination to isolate Hamas and support our ally Israel," he said.

 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...-wants-obama-2/

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This is a dark day for democracy.

 

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McCainiacs? McCain has no promo skills whatsoever.

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That's it, I hate everyone.

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Now I know why Marney is backing Hillary...

 

Clinton warns Iran of nuke response

Senator: ‘Massive retaliation’ for attack on Israel would likely include NATO

MSNBC

updated 8:07 p.m. CT, Mon., April. 21, 2008

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.

 

Clinton’s remarks, made in an interview on MSNBC’s “Countdown With Keith Olbermann,” clarified a statement she made last week in a Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia. In that debate, Clinton, D-N.Y., said an Iranian attack on Israel would bring “massive retaliation,” without defining what the phrase meant.

 

In the interview Monday, Clinton affirmed that she would warn Iran’s leaders that “their use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/

Awesome. You go girl!

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It turns out that (apparently) most of the "undecided" voters are white women.

 

Gah.

 

This is NEVER going to end!!!

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HILL-DAWG! HILL-DAWG! HILL-DAWG~!